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I didn’t think they even needed to explain themselves, I mean they were literally clowns. I can’t see what more they could have done to flag up that you weren’t supposed to take that shit seriously
I’m always surprise by how difficult it seems for people to admit they made mistakes. I’m not perfect but I think that at least I have the capacity to say I’m sorry and be sincere when I mess up. I’ve been in quite a few relationships in my life and not many of my partners ever admitted doing something wrong, even when it was clearly the case and I believe they were realising it.
Willingness to admit he grew up is something refreshing to see happen.
Based on that alone a safe bet can be made about his politics.
yaknow, lots of people make fun of juggalos, but most of the ones ive met have been incredibly caring people that don’t judge lol
Well yeah, otherwise they’d be called judgegullos.
Dad?
Probably not. My kids are all monotonic.
O.o
Clearly you have your ducklings in a row
Hi Gay Juggalo, I’m Dad.
Happened all of those years ago? You said you were just going down to the corner store for some weed and faygo!
*Sad woop woop noises."
*woop womp*
I want to give this person a huggalo.
C’m’ere broggalo 🫂
Pass around the Faygo so we can all have a chuggalo
They’re great people, just kinda messy.
The most polite person from ohio describing anyone from Michigan.
Oh, you’ve met me
Idk Michigan seems less messy than ohio these days
Yeah, but that’s only because of Toledo.
This is Dayton erasure
Dayton is a satellite campus of Toledo. Just like any satellite campus it’s a little cheaper and has a lot more fentanyl.
They seem to be mostly kind hearted folk that are about the (actual, not proverbial) filthiest humans on the planet.
Like they’re gross AF but friendly too. It’s certainly a weird subculture but I’d hang out with a juggalo over a MAGA bro any day of the week.
Why are they gross?
Idk they’re just usually very unhygienic from what I’ve seen.
Like, physically covered in dirt/grime and stinky. I can only offer anecdotes in the original commenters defense, but they’re not entirely wrong lol. Couldn’t tell you why that is but the few jughalos I’ve known personality were… musty
Not to be too ableist, but there is a lot of autism and/or ADHD in nerdy subcultures and many times self-care gets neglected due to hyperfocus, distraction, or any other deregulation of executive function.
A lot of times you just need to feel like you belong somewhere so you can trust that people will treat you like another person.
I’d imagine the Venn diagram of mistreated people, people on the spectrum, and Juggalos has a profound overlap.
I treat other people like people by taking a shower before I go to a local game store or other enclosed space where we’re forced to be together for a few hours. I’m sorry for people who struggle with it but I don’t accept ableism arguments for these situations. Are folks literally unable, or just not prioritizing the community when they make decisions? I think it’s the latter.
I mean it seems like people generally agree on this, at least here. That’s interesting. Never met one myself.
I was looking for some images to give a demographic feel, and this name of this article conveys better:
Everything we saw at the 2022 Gathering of the Juggalos before our camera got mucked up with Faygo
They’re not all gross or unclean. They do have a higher representation of poor people who might work a manual labor job or be unemployed, and then walk someplace far away along a busy road to party, crash on the couch, and then walk somewhere else. Just less opportunity to change clothing, do laundry and shower.
Yeah I mean a few way to drunk ppl between that but nothing I would classify as gross
Yeah, the name of the article was the funny bit in this case. The newspaper was obviously not going around taking unflattering pictures.
The latter description fits better with the ones I’ve met. Typically younger, low or no income, predominantly men. Not homeless, but more of a network of houses they crash at randomly.
Because the world wants them to be pretty and pure, and they said, “Fuck that, chuffy!”
They’ve got a fair bit of hippie in their cultural DNA and it shows in their relationship with washing
And hippies had unwashed beatniks in their dna. It’s like countercultures often place different values on societal norms and also like shocking the normies
Not just hippie, there’s a lot of crust punk too.
There should be a scientific study.
IME juggalos are usually people who were or would be maga culturally but are disgusted by the lack of empathy that defines maga. They’re the kind of people who grew up with a confederate flag on their wall but take it down in disgust when they make their first black friend and somebody explains to them for the first time that the flag is a hate symbol
I wouldn’t say they’re that culturally - socioeconomically more.
what is a juggalo?
I don’t know but I’m down with the clown and I’m down for life yo.
Essentially, fans of the rap combo insane clown posse
He’ll eat Monopoly and shit out Connect Four
He’s a graduate
clown people.
Honk honk!
I heard that in Skeeter from the show Doug’s voice
Exactly where my mind went
Everyone dressed as themselves are wearing black. Those who wear color have masks and face paint. I’m no armchair psychologist but that probably means something.
Probably that they’re juggalos
There are afaik basically 2 poles for juggalos that are basically discribed by insane clown posse and twisted insane
smells you can see
I don’t know/but I’m down with the clown/and I’m down for life yo
A dead body.
Well, he ain’t really dead
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Why does that make you laugh out loud?
because im a millennial and lol means “haha”
why do you ask obnoxious questions?
Yea they are pretty cool. Wear an icp shirt and you got yourself a make shift family.
Whoop whoop
I hope he updates his views on magnets as well
Trump did water. What’s this guy’s deal?
That’s what big magnetite wants you to think
And scientists.
I think this is also a reminder that people can always try to redeem themselves, and we should allow people to do so.
Too many times I’ve heard “once a maga, always a magat!” Yeah, magats suck donkey balls but a lot of them have been learning and improving and we should applaud that. I want more magats to become ex magat.
you’re right of course, but i think part of the sentiment behind “once a maga, always a magat” is that often people in the MAGAsphere don’t actually admit that the original premise is wrong, or change their way of thinking, or develop critical thinking skills: they just get personally burned…
changing how you ingest and process information about the world is a very hard thing to do, and few “reformed MAGAs” have likely done that work… we should applaud them for leaving their current cult, but the next one right around the corner might grab them just as hard
Peoples politics,like their gender,is fluid. It can change over time.
As long as it changes to “let’s be better for everyone” and not “let’s be better for me myself and I” like the average Republican
Yeah, Scott Biao can eat shit!
Grew up as a hardcore republican in South Texas. Moved to southern Louisiana and quickly realized, nope not republican, just highly misguided. I was wrong. I admit it to everyone. Now as time has passed, staunch socialist. Such as life.
I cringe remembering how i would use Rush Limbaugh talking points in the mid 90s. Grew up in redneck central. Realized how shitty my views were when i got around people different from me in college. There is hope for all of the world’s dumbasses.
You are my kin
The other thing, that’s even harder to do, is to admit you’re wrong about stuff right now, and you’ll regret it in the future.
It’s easy to look back at your past self and admit that that guy made some bone-headed mistakes. But, the chances are very good that right now you strongly believe some things that will be just as wrong as those other beliefs your past self had.
It’s a learned skill. Once I realise I am wrong about something, admitting that is trivial. Coming to the conclusion you are wrong is also trivial on hard facts based things. But on emotional topics, that’s the real challenge. Admitting “I overreacted, sorry for lashing out”, as a prime example.
No, you don’t understand. I’m not talking about admitting it when you now realize you were wrong in the past.
I’m saying that some of the things you think you’re right about are things you’ll actually regret in the future.
It’s about having humility about even your deeply held beliefs.
Props for admitting he was wrong. A “fool,” sure, but still feels kinda light on the self-disrespect for the content of some of their lyrics. I don’t recall “going with the flow” to include pedophilia. Necrophilia, on the other hand, totally going with the flow.
I agree with you but I may be misunderstanding your comment. Are you saying that they have pedophilic content? I’m racking my brain and I can’t think of anything like that, and I’m pretty sure they’ve spoken (in their works) against it
I was an avid icp lover when I was younger. And I still am of the works I’m familiar with. Though I haven’t listened to their newest stuff and don’t know their current views. Back then, they had an acab message along with calling out corruption and greed. I can’t remember anything specifically calling pedos out but they absolutely hate on child abusers and I couldn’t imagine they’d give sex abuse a pass
Ok, so while I was looking for songs I found this one which admittedly wasn’t an album I listened to. Amusingly it’s on the same one that has the song people hate on them for: To Catch a Predator . Sings about playing as a young girl online to lure and kill or torture would-be predators, so there’s a whole anti-pedo song
I unashamedly still listen to them once in a while and they get unfair hate. I just don’t want that comment misconstrued. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk; I didn’t mean to post a whole-ass thing
There’s no way anyone would have guessed from my basic-ass comment, but I’ve lived most of my life with trauma from childhood sexual abuse. And with fucking kids being en vogue worldwide at the moment, my triggers have been woooo boy. Sorry to shit on your duo, just differing perspectives.
“I’m steady staring at your sister, I’ll tell you this
You know for only thirteen, she got some big tits”Violent jays verse in dating game.
You want an essay each time he speaks on it?
He was going with the trump flow
I am unfamiliar with ICP’s content so can’t say exactly what is and isn’t in there, but horrifically, yes, “going with the flow” can very much include sexualizing minors depending on what decade you’re looking at.
For example, a now-infamous 1978 article in High Times.
CW: Gross sexualization of a minor
The article describes then 13 year old Brooke Shields as “the most perfect nymphette in all creation” and “a sultry mix of all-American virgin and nascent whore”.
I’ve been fixated on the huge blind spot people have about the 90’s, or anything pre-2000. Pedo, or at the very least the teen version of it, was super acceptable. ‘If there’s grasa on the field, play’ was an incredibly common sentiment, and I think just about any male musical artist(at least the males are easier to find examples of) has at least one instance of sexualizing a minor in the 13-16 range.
ICP has a few. Nirvana has some. Beastie Boys. Pretty sure Green Day had some questionable moments. Just about all hair metal and classic rock. It was like a weird inside joke.
Not entirely clear on what the big turning point is but the disavowals started even before Me Too. Suddenly it became super tasteless to make those same comments and everyone was very suddenly never a person who would say these things.
I still think their magnets song was a harbinger of the coming times. While the song itself is full of anti-intellectualism, there’s a specific line calling scientists liars.
A few friendly reminders:
It is OK to be wrong. Smart and kind people will not think less of you for being wrong. They WILL think less of you if you dig in your heels despite being presented evidence that proves you wrong.
It is OK to change your opinion or view when given new information. This is how we grow as a species.
Exactly, dont give in to the narcissists which exist, the world is brighter than initially thought. We grow as a species by examining each others opinions and logically contesting them - changing our own or others opinions.
The amount of narcissists and machavellists is not the majority - but they are the loudest, and that loudness is what makes regular people overwhelmed.
I used to be a libertarian and I didn’t believe in climate change. It’s been a long time but neither of those things are true now.
Would probably make a better president than the shit we have now.
We have possibly the worst possible person to be President. A cannibal serial killer would be cooler. A techbro CEO would be smarter. A lobotomy patient would humbly delegate. A comic book supervillain would stand up to the oligarchs.
Even your average lawyer would be a better President.
I will never get over in early Covid when the governments and militaries of the world were sitting around with their thumbs in their asses, unsure what to do.
Meanwhile, ICP straight up canceled the Gathering of the Juggalos. They lost a bunch of money in the process, and said, “We refuse to risk even one Juggalo life.” I don’t really care for their music, but it gave me a huge amount of respect for them.
Like seriously. Why were the guys who rap about murdering people providing better pandemic leadership than the entire government?
Well it’s not like they called themselves The Sane Tragedian Posse.
Or The Whimsical Jester Posse
