As a former graphic department manager, artists can be difficult to work with… for non-artists.
I got to see how frustrated the boss/owner got dealing with us. We’re not a neat, blackbox they can shove instructions into and get out a perfectly formed product on the first round--which is what they think AI will give them soon. If they think AI will be better at dealing with client demands, I’ll be happy to watch them fail with that.
Definitely agree, however if the client then ends up depending on AI for their plans and decisions you may end up with these models marking their own homework so to speak. You’ll get a totally unimaginative and generic product out the other end, if they manage to make a product at all that is
Honestly, I don’t even think it’s an artist vs non-artist thing.
It’s a communication thing, and specifically it hinges on leading with curiosity, trusting the people, and clearly defining expectations (or, failing that, setting boundaries).
I work in a different role now, but a large part of what I do is similar: interfacing between people of differing skill sets, expectations, and needs.
I’ve found that if I don’t get in front of people, they tend to assume the other party is hard to work with or maybe even dumb, rather than merely approaching from their own frame of reference. It gets easier once people realize that no one is an idiot, and we’re all just trying to check different boxes, often without a clear idea of the others considerations.Except for that one colleague. Woof. Do they got blackmail on leadership or something? How do they manage to even feed themselves every day?
I agree with you. Artists aren’t a neat, blackbox they can shove instructions into and get out a perfectly formed product on the first round, but neither is anybody else.
That said, artists aren’t the only group of workers they hope to replace with AI.
I think this is just another side of the temporarily embarrassed-millionaire, anti-worker, techno-fascist-narcissist, pseudo-libertarian, culture-war propaganda that capitalism has been waging since the 1970’s.
All indoctrinated chudds show the exact same distain for all workers, in all scenarios… unless it personally affects them… at which point it’s the worst thing in the world. Half of them are so brainwashed they continue bootlicking the oligarchs that are directly destroying their lives, families, and communities.
It’s some poor slob with $15k on Nvidia stock praying they get rich without any skill for their shilling.
That’s the whole point of the stock market. To make us feel like equals, like we can join their team.
I mean i am envious of people who have skill and tallent to draw/create pretty things and i really wish I had tallent to do the same. All i can make are things that look like wonky stickpeople and turds. But thats why i would prefer to pay professionals if i was in the business of relying on created art.
You don’t need talent, most artists get good from years and years of practise. You could nurture that skill.
Do you do commissions? I’d like an original, signed wonky stickpeople and turds for my office.
You’ll need to print it yourself.
This could be in the Louvre some day.
Jealousy and envy in full display. They wish they had that kind of talent.
“AI gives wealth access to skill while denying skill access to wealth.”
this is wishful thinking on wealth’s part
when they have no actual skills outside of gaslighting they end up seeing this as the same they see an expert. they can’t validate either way correctness and correctness doesn’t really matter to them as long as they make money.
exactly
and they might make money for a while, but it won’t last
makes sense. (although I feel like it’s more of a husk of almost-skill, given how trash AI is.) damn AI…
Some people can’t cope with that other people have talents
They believe they’re better than everyone else because they’re wealthy. But if someone can do things they can’t, that ego doesn’t like it much. Removing that uncomfortable feeling in a high priority for the rich.
Talent = affinity + trained skill + hard work
Usually.
The same could be said about all the technologies that artists celebrated that put technicians out of a job.
Which ones?
Also, even if there is a tech that artists like, there’s a big fucking difference between someone saying “Holy shit! This technology makes it so I can do this thing!” and “You’re out of a job fucker! Die hungry on the streets!”
Resentment and weak egos, I assume.
“I’m a great person” -> “I can’t draw good” -> “they can draw good” -> “am I not so great??” -> “unacceptable!!!” -> “they suck!”
And reason left the room years ago:
- what is the possibility of me being capable of greatness in all things and aspects at the same time?
- very close to zero, if possible for human at all
- oh well
But that never occurs to them
The core promise of AI is “You’ll be able to fire all your workers!”
You just aren’t the target audience for the message.
It’s a stupid promise.
Some jobs will be eliminated by AI, new technology wipes out jobs all the time. We needed people to manually connect wires to connect phone calls, and we automated that away.
I’m excited that the tedious technical parts of animation are getting automated, this gives the artists more time to work on the art. We use computer generated graphics all the time, we use digital production workflows, we don’t manually paint frames anymore, unless we explicitly choose to for stylistic reasons.
If the animation isn’t just right, the artist can tweak it. The art isn’t lost because the artist used a modern tool. It’s the soulless garbage used by money hungry gouls that will be entirely generated from a couple text prompts, and the result will show it.
There’s a huge difference between implementing a new tool into your workflows to cut down animation hours and days to minutes, and delegating the whole artistic production process to the tool.
As an animator? If I can automate some of the extremely tedious in-betweening for things like ruffles on elaborately over-designed magical girl costumes, or background fire, that would be great. But let me breathe life and soul into these characters with my own two hands.
Yeah it’s the Jack Welch mentality where they fire a bunch of people to make line go up.
So offer a technology that promises to fire most of the workforce and investors throw money at it thinking “If we put everyone out of a job then line will go to the moon!”
Investors may not be all that smart.
Why do I see them then?
Devin was sold to ceos, now that it failed they are trying to pivot to devs, lmao I spit in their face as a dev
And the most annoying part is, even Nvidia isn’t even saying it’ll do that.
All of the AI based character animation stuff has been about getting characters to move realistically in dynamic cases that your artists couldn’t and weren’t even trying to account for.People have been using machine learning for this for a long time. It’s a great advancement, but the ability to make a character crab walk over a bridge doesn’t help you know what they should be doing, what it looks like, that it’s conveying things correctly, or the actual hard parts of character animation.
So much envy for our creativity. Do the work like the rest of us. I started getting trained at age 5 in creativity. I honed that training through more and more use during my life. I didn’t just wake up one morning seeing outside and around the box.
They think it’s just 100% born in us when that’s only a portion.
Chuds love AI because they think every artist is a blue-haired liberal. The thought of those liberals losing their jobs brings great joy to the chud.
Chuds vote time and again against their own interests. They do so to “own the libs,” personal consequences be damned. As long as a liberal is perceived as hurt, the chud will support AI.
There was a leopardsatemyface town where the touring politician made fun of poor people because they couldn’t buy food and the poor conservative town LAUGHED at themselves and then lost a hospital and supermarket.
Truly the broken cycle meme
it’s always funny reading posts by “AI advocates” like this because none of them actually work for any AI companies. they’re just linkedin fanboys of it. wannabe middle managers.
The irony, of course, being that middle management is a category of job much better suited to being replaced by AI than actual creative productivity is
They’re in for a rude awakening when the price gets jacked up to the point none of them can afford it.
They seem to hate anyone who does anything that requires an education, and love AI making those people homeless and poor and letting any idiot replicate what they did even badly, because they’ve felt they were looked down on for not having any education.
“Korean animation studio. Everybody work. Everybody work. We are slaves. Oh no! Tom Cruise!”
“Who’s drive car? Bear drive car!”
How can that be?
That’s a good question. I think maybe we as a society tend to underestimate bears. They’ve shown that they’re often capable of getting in to trash containers specifically designed to keep them out, and their skill in avoiding racist park rangers in order to make off with pic-i-nic baskets.
Art just requires practice, which is even more rudimentary than education.
Prompt engineering and sifting through slop can appear like practice to anyone who doesn’t. This, I find, is the source of the delusion and hate.
Not many people are figuring out things like color theory or perspective from practice alone.
Which is why there’s a clear progression for art getting significantly better over the centuries. It’s not because artists became more talented, it’s because instruction was available.
I don’t think art requires practice alone for all people. I spent a long time trying and still never manage to make a stick figure where all the lines connect where they should.
Jealous, ungrateful losers!
