Once again Hallowe’en is getting back to its roots.
PS: I wrote a thing in 2024. Sorry, I don’t know how to do intra-lemmy links.
Use Faraday pouches or leave your phone at home this Halloween. Flock cams gather Bluetooth, cellular, and WiFi data as you pass by them
It’s part of the same issue - lack of US GDPR.
We need to demand US GDPR because there are other issues - companies like Lexis nexis are buying your stolen data from the dark net and reselling. Facebook pervert glasses, google siphoning our data and others we don’t even know aboutWe can make all the rules we want, but the rules don’t matter.
Lack of spines in people we expected to enforce our rights got us here. It’s no good making more rules when the ones we have are ignored.
Probably the rock in a shoe trick as well if that’s actually a thing.
It is. If vindicator had gait tracking in 2006, flock absolutely will have it.
or walk like a desert-dwelling fremen, without rythym
Flock is approved for drones 🤦🏻♂️
https://www.flocksafety.com/products/flock-aerodome-drone-as-automated-security
https://www.budk.com/12-Gauge-Skynet-Drone-Defense-3-Pack-35975/35975.html
Thankfully capitalists still willing to sell ya the rope to hang them with.
Time to invest in Sawzall and blade manufacturers.
Large bolt cutters are quieter.
Tips on how to protect yourselves when you have to, you know.
Masks, camouflage outfits park somewhere far?
Hallowe’en on its own provides a significant strategic advantage. The closeness to elections is a bit sus though
I would be careful calling this “de-flock” because one of the more prominent groups against Flock is called Deflock and they already get lies from police calling them a terrorist organization despite never advocating for anything like tearing them down. If I really was putting on my tin foil hat, I’d say this was an intentional false flag operation called “de-flock” to further muddy the waters with regards to the Deflock organization. That’s a bit much, though.
Note that I’m not saying folks shouldn’t be participating, I’m only saying a different name for the activity would be prudent.
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Now do Ring cams.
Basically we need to get the word out to not use products from those aligned with Trump and thiel.
So every major company, got it
Basically 🤷
If I were a teenager I would be playing a very different version of Nicky Nicky Nine Doors.
This needs to gain traction…
World wide…
70 days time…
U got any good alternatives to recommend? I was given a ring camera as a house warming gift, one of the nice flood light cam ones. Want to get away from ring but also don’t want to buy more crap LOL but I want to add a camera to the rear of my house and refuse to have ring recording me on my patio nor do I want to up my subscription. Keep migrating toward self hosting my camera system as the best solution but fuck I also don’t have the time to go setting that up right now … Rambling here but in search of good advice 🙏
ReoLink appears to keeps things off the cloud. But their doorbell cameras do not support rtsp or anything, its something proprietary. But regardless, they appear to use some form of ddns to allow the camera to stream directly to your phone without going through the cloud.
Reolink
Or UniFi, Hikvision also Akuvox for doorbells/intercom
Specifically their PoE model. You can record to any ONVIF capable NVR, like Frigate, and restrict access to the feed to only the local network or your own VPN. No sending all your video feeds to a third party that grants the police access.
Yeah this is always been my problem. I kind of do want CCTV cameras on my house because I do live in a sort of high crime area, but I don’t see why I should have to pay a subscription to a company just so they can train an AI on my camera footage.
I’ve always been a fan of UniFi products. You keep the data, handle it how you will.
In my shitty MAGA and evangelical suburb, they welcome Flock.
The data probably shows which conservative religious men are meeting other men regularly for sweaty, breathless one on one ‘political discussion’
Even in wealthy ‘liberal’ neighborhoods they welcome them as well, because they assume they help protect them from ‘the poors’.
you don’t have to… ;-)
We had millions in the streets for NO KINGS. Your telling me we can’t get 80k Flock/Axon cameras down.
I really, really hope people don’t go out en masse and destroy every single Flock camera that is unconstitutionally filming and profiling them, because it would be a terrible crime to do so. Definitely do not do this people.
Definitely don’t remind people to leave their phones at home or use a Faraday bag to shield their tech.
Only the most dastardly vandals would leave their phone (and all other Bluetooth devices) at home, plugged in charging, auto-lock fully disabled, on their home WiFi, with YouTube set to auto-play a playlist. That would create a watch history that the vandal could later use to prove that they were active at home at the time of the crime. Again, you definitely shouldn’t do that.
Indeed. Not having those signals to trace could make it significantly more difficult for law enforcement to identify you, and we certainly don’t want the essential job of law enforcement to be inhibited.
Also people shouldn’t be wearing masks. That would be make them even harder to identify for law enforcement.
People also shouldn’t pair those masks with infrared-blocking sunglasses or goggles. Because the cameras can see in infrared, and will see straight through regular darkened lenses.
Camera can still track you with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, keep that in mind
It can’t if you leave your phone and electronics at home, which you should be anyways.
they probably are constitutional, but only because the constitution says nothing about tge government buying data from private companies.
9th amendment.
It’s the best amendment, despite being, legally, the most useless.
I would argue that it was meant to cover the kind of situation where a private company is given government permission to gather surveillance data from the citizenry, in exchange for access to said data.
yep, flock exists purely to get around the 4th amendment and the requirement to have a warrant.
People are downvoting you, but you’re right. It’s one of the reasons why the constitution is weak in the modern era, and in need of massive additions. It just is too vague, too geared towards a world that no longer exists, and hasn’t existed for over 70 years.
they are? I guess the votes haven’t federated yet
I do though
Not American. What is flock? Is this like a ring doorbell? Are people suggesting to destroy personal property of their neighbours?
Or is this like some government cameras that are in public spaces filming ?
Or is this like some government cameras that are in public spaces filming ?
It’s a nationwide network of cameras used by federal, state, and local governments to track and profile people in public. It doesn’t just record, but builds a database of information on every car, license plate, and person that’s filmed, so it’s seen to be very dystopian.
Even worse, the tech gets it wrong and mistaken identity is common, and it ends up endangering people due to the violent methods US police employ. However, it’s privacy concerns that are foremost, because there’s an amendment in our country’s Constitution that should prohibit this kind of privacy violation.
If you’d like to learn more, I made a YT video on the topic recently.
don’t forget how many of them are just straight up creep cameras, installed pointing at childrens pools, playgrounds, peoples homes, etc.
And this is why calling them “license plate readers” is hugely disingenuous, to the point of being straight up propaganda. The term vastly downplays what they can do. They don’t just scan license plates. They scan nearby devices’ Bluetooth and WiFi signals. They scan faces. They scan gait to determine specific limb proportions. They scan tattoos and birthmarks. They scan bumper stickers, dings/dents, etc… If you walk in front of a camera, it will use every trick in the book to try and figure out who you are specifically.
Safety+Creep or Liberty?
It’s a revenue stream for Flock. Allowing members of the Epstein Class to view the stream of children.
explains the millions of hits per month on the cameras.
Wild stuff. That is far worse than I thought was going on.
What a scary timeline and I hope the country and sort out this stuff and reform this type activity.
They’re not just cameras. They also log nearby mobile devices. They’ve gone from a few hundred nationwide to over 100,000 in like 2 years.
Uber is going to start implementing the same thing, so mobile Flock that you wouldn’t be able to take down.
Someone could deploy devices that clone signals they hear and replay them at random to poison all the data. But they definitely should not do that.
Government contracted cameras in public spaces.
Not just cameras. They also have RFID, WiFi, Bluetooth, and probably other crap I don’t remember. The idea is that even if the face rec doesn’t identify you, they still can by probing for credit cards and mobile devices. Disgusting.
Fair point. I was trying to be succinct, not intentionally vague.
Wow. Thanks for informing me. Stay safe guys
You’re welcome. I hope it’s a nice day where you are.
Canada. Its generally okay here but we do stupid shit like this too, just way less thank flock. I’m sure it’ll emerge in some form.
C’mon, Americans. We know you guys are cool. We believe in you! Shake this shit off!
ALRIGHT THAT’S THE CORRECT WAY TO CELEBRATE HALLOWEEN, LETS FUCKING GO.
Need to agree on a common costume, otherwise someone is going to stick out as the one guy wearing a luigi costume and coincidentally all the cameras were destroyed by one dude in a luigi costume.
Having a standard “uniform” tells the authorities who to watch and follow before anything happens.
Better to have a general strategy of “costume you can easily change / remove.”
Flock will be on the alert October 31.
But I have observed you can wear a Halloween costume, including masks, any day starting October 1st without attracting (the bad kind of ) attention or seeming out of place. It’s fun, economical (get more use out of costume) and I encourage everyone to do it as often as feasible. Whether you deflock your neighborhood or just provide cover for those who do, you’ll also be confusing the cameras and messing with the data.
And then its a national lockdown for a month, no elections mind you, while new cameras are installed nation wide.
They can “be on the alert” on Halloween and it wouldn’t matter. Not like they can post a cop at all 200,000 of their cameras.
Are there good ways to kill a flock camera from a distance?
Could aiming a laser at the lense damage the ccd in the camera?
Lens, internet connection, solar panel.
Not sure how many are dependant on solar alone tho.
Ok, another idea.
Admittedly, this is not exactly a low tech solution, but…
One could use an fpv drone with a paint covered sponge duct taped to the front. Once the lens is covered in paint, you can either call the job done or go in closer without worrying about being seen by the camera.
You could use a can of spray paint instead, but then you need some kind of system to activate it, which complicates things.
Drop a ballon of paint on the solar panel?
Please oh please, No, a laser that is powerful enough to destroy the sensor, is more than powerful enough to blind so many people, at the same time even.
Do you happen to know how sensitive these sensors tend to be? Because I honestly don’t, but it’s possible it may not take much…
One-watt 532nm green laser or a .22LR bullet. The bullet is probably safer.
That’s fair. Yeah some Halloween costumes are all well and good, but for the rest of the year, it would be great if there’s a way to destroy these cameras without getting caught on camera yourself.
The thought behind the laser idea was just that it might not draw a lot of attention.
If anyone has better ideas, please do share them. My goal is to come up with less risky ways of dismantling them than getting right up there with a ladder. The .22 might be the simplest solution so far.
Subsonic rounds with a suppressor will help too. ;)
The unlicensed suppressor will get you into just as much trouble as destroying the camera. Plus, suppressors don’t eliminate sound. It’s not like in the movies where you get a quiet “thwip” noise. The suppressor simply takes the gun from “almost guaranteed hearing damage without proper PPE” to “was that a firecracker? Or someone hammering a nail?” Sure, there can be quiet shots with the proper suppressor and ammo. But if you’re bootlegging it to avoid licensing requirements, you’re probably not using the optimal setup.
My setup is just a “snap” and then the bullet whizzing down the range. I love it.
Seems like a mask and no electronics on you would be a far better solution here. Perhaps even a fancy mask celebrating the great Spooky Season holiday.
A witch costume with actual spell casting?!?!
