• chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    I get that Sweeny doesn’t like to gargle Gabe’s billionaire balls as much as a lot of the users here, but Epic officially supporting Linux is a good thing.

    • bigmamoth@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      What missing feature is needed from heroic ? I prefer 1000x time having community driven launcher than official one. Egs is known to be a piece of shit launcher and if any official développement impede on the community one I’m gonna burn something. Also have u tried egs on android ? It unreal how barebone it is. Not sure a linux one will be complete and useful.

      Also launcher support ≠ fortnite support

      • highball@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 days ago

        Naa, it’s about the network affect. Sweeney said there would be no LInux EGL until there is enough demand. Even if the Linux EGL sucks, it’s still Engineering dollars being spent by Epic. Engineering dollars that would never have been spent on Linux unless the there was a requisite level of demand. Sweeney sees the writing on the wall. I’m sure there will be a lot of new to Linux gamers that come for the Linux EGL and eventually switch to Heroic.

    • rozodru@piefed.worldEnglish
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      11 days ago

      yeah Lutris is a shame how far it’s fallen. used to be decent, the user scripts were invaluable for some games but now I won’t touch that thing with a 10ft pole.

      Most of the stuff can now be accomplished via stream/steamrun anyways.

    • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      11 days ago

      It’s kinda sad. I felt the maintainers feeling of being overwhelmed and underappreciated, but that whole discussion in the issue and the later statement to just hide AI use was such a phenomenal PR debacle he’ll probably never get rid of.

      Lutris was pretty good…

      • macniel@feddit.org
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        11 days ago

        Lutris was pretty good…

        Undoubtedly, the lutris scripts really made it a great community driven project.

        • addie@feddit.uk
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          11 days ago

          Just for gaming purposes, having a unified front end that:

          • lets you start an application with the arguments it needs, whether to use a specific Wine folder, or start an emulator with the right arguments

          • lets you tag up each application with some custom arguments - genre, date, and so on - and lets you filter and sort by them

          • lets you configure each app with their own box art or whatever as an icon

          • keeps some gaming-related metadata; hours played, whether you’ve finished it, …

          Essentially, Windows 3.1 Program Manager for the 21st century. Lutris did that quite well. Heroic doesn’t let you add custom stuff, it just integrates with store fronts. RetroArch has the old-school Linux problem of “all the functionality you need, plus all the functionality anyone might ever need, plus all the functionality that no-one needs, all arranged seemingly at random in dozens of menus”.

          Lutris scripts were great - just having the required winetricks commands to get something obscure working was awesome, but packaged up in a useful way along with art and metadata was handy. The front-end being “only what you need” was good as well. Shame it’s gone off the rails a bit…

          • Ghoelian@piefed.socialEnglish
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            11 days ago

            Heroic lets you add plenty of custom stuff. The only thing I’m missing from lutris is tagging/grouping of games, everything else I ever used in lutris is available in heroic.

          • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
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            11 days ago

            RetroArch has the old-school Linux problem of “all the functionality you need, plus all the functionality anyone might ever need, plus all the functionality that no-one needs, all arranged seemingly at random in dozens of menus”

            This definitely does happen sometimes, especially these days, but this is explicitly opposite to old-school Linux design principles. A program should do one thing, it should do it well, and it should be able to be plugged in to other processes in order to accomplish whatever this single-purpose program accomplishes. If you want it to do something else, go get/write a different package to do something different. This is actually explicitly stated in the “Unix Philosophy” papers by Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, et al.

          • DigDoug@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            11 days ago

            The ability to apply community patches easily was super handy as well. It made installing games like Dungeon Keeper and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines extremely simple.

            It’s now been months since I’ve successfully got Lutris to even install a game. It practically turned to slop overnight.

      • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip
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        11 days ago

        AFAIK the dev reversed his stance on ai after the blowback. Do you have newer information that contradicts that? Because otherwise you are both just hating on lutris for no reason.

      • ZeroHora@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        11 days ago

        but that whole discussion in the issue and the later statement to just hide AI use

        Well fuck

    • HerbGrower@slrpnk.net
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      11 days ago

      What is wrong with it? Never had any problems running games on Lutris and it doesn’t require steam (DRM) which is pretty nice.

        • HerbGrower@slrpnk.net
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          11 days ago

          Has that caused problems? I don’t really care if they are just using AI. If they are breaking things because of it and not validating anything then that is a larger concern.

          • db2@lemmy.world
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            11 days ago

            Even if it runs fine there are still problems

            • Slop code can’t be licensed, the license Lutris had is invalid. That means you can’t even fork it unless you can identify the point slop started and fork prior to that.
            • There’s no guarantee the developer who uses slop code even knows what it’s doing. Github is full of nonsense like that now.
            • HerbGrower@slrpnk.net
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              11 days ago

              Don’t all the big software companies use AI, are you suggesting that everything actually has an invalid licence?

              • db2@lemmy.world
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                11 days ago

                The way the Linux kernel developers use llms is to help identify potential problems, the llm doesn’t write any code. It’s a human that looks at the potential problem to determine if it actually is one and then writes the code to fix it.

                Microsoft generates large swathes of code and judging by how poorly it preforms when they immediately push it to production there is little to no human oversight.

                To answer your question, no to my first example and yes to my second.

            • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              11 days ago

              the license Lutris had is invalid.

              That part isn’t true whatsoever. Public domain doesn’t work like a poison pill. If I put the collected works of Arthur Conan Doyle on my website, that doesn’t mean the site can’t be CC BY-SA 4.0; it means someone is free to take that specific part without worrying about CC BY-SA 4.0.

              Even for the slop code where it’s more mixed in, it’s on the person trying to take it to affirmatively show the part they’re taking was generated by an LLM, i.e. you can’t just say “this is slop, I’m taking this” and expect a project to have to affirmatively defend that it’s human-written.

              And lastly, AI assistance doesn’t automatically even poison the code being created/changed with it. This one is murky, but so far, the general consensus is that so long as you, the human, worked on it – i.e. that you didn’t just let the slop machine run wild and take whatever it outputted without your own changes – it’s still your copyright.

              —someone who doesn’t do slop

  • TAG@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    It is a big deal. If Epic changes some API and breaks Heroic, it is your problem for using an unsupported third party application. If Epic breaks their official client, their QA manager has a problem.

  • Reygle@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    Epic Games as in Tim Sweeney’s Epic Games?

    What are the package names so I can block them from installing please

    • nullspace@lemmy.world
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      11 days ago

      EGS has some integration with UE so if you’re buying marketplace assets it’s easy to keep them updated and to add them to projects. Since UE can compile to Linux if you’re running Linux, this is a move that makes Linux a more appealing OS for game development.

      Sure, it’s all stuff you can do manually. But the sweeter you make the pot the more regular users you attract to your OS.

  • SeventySeven@sh.itjust.works
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    11 days ago

    If we have things like Heroic on Linux, and if they are just bringing the Epic Game Store only and not the anti cheat, then who cares. Nothing has really changed then, as we were always able to play all non-online games from our Epic libraries anyways.

    Plus you can bet your ass that the new and official EGS app will have SO MANY issues when that is released. It was a mess (still kinda is) even on Windows. So many bugs. I wouldn’t be surprised if many Linux users will just continue using the alternatives for the smaller resources it takes up.

  • mister_universe@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    11 days ago

    Yes. We have Heroic, Lutris and Faugus and I really appreciate the work the developers have done. However, I’m 91.7% sure that I will move to the native version as soon it is available. In my experience native versions overall works better than third party ones.

    • eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de
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      11 days ago

      While I do agree that native is often better, in this case I don’t. I actually even use Heroic Launcher on Windows for Epic Games aswell.

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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        11 days ago

        Yeah their native client is a special case. It’s actually an unreal engine application that runs chromium to display at least parts of the store.

    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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      11 days ago

      They somewhat do - locking users into a platform is a whole lot harder (i’d say unachievable) on linux than on windows.

  • reddit_sux@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    Make shitty port of shitty software => People don’t use shitty port => Shitty promoter blames the platform

    This will only lead to Sweeny saying ‘told you so’ about Linux is not a gaming platform.

  • Blue@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    Linux versions of Epic games store and GOG galaxy is still a big win for everyone

    • eurodyne@piefed.worldEnglish
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      11 days ago

      The one big deal about GOG galaxy, at least for me, is that it’s been available on macOS for years, and that they’re doing everything they can to make sure that all games currently available and playable on macOS will also continue to be playable and available on macOS even after macOS no longer supports the x64 architecture via Rosetta.

      If they care that much about keeping Mac games playable even on the new arm/Mx line of chips, then I’m sure they’re gonna put a lot of care into making sure that old games are playable on Linux, although I’m not entirely aware of their development timeline.

      I could not really give a shit about what happens with the epic game store.

    • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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      11 days ago

      Not just because it enables more access for everyone, but because it represents a deepening commitment by these companies to Linux as a gaming platform.

      The more companies see Linux as a viable gaming platform, the more consumers will. It’s a virtuous cycle, and one that will only help to erode Windows grip on the desktop OS space.

      • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        But while windows has that grip, more malware and scams will target windows users. I’m getting tired of seeing good things ruined by their own success.

      • Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca
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        11 days ago

        It’s wild that Sweeney would let this happen. He’s been pretty vocally anti-linux in the past. Must be a big enough change to make him consider Linux dollars worth chasing.

    • ajikeshi@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      just wait for 6 months, and since nobody will use epic on the steam deck, epic will sue valve because monopoly

      • eurodyne@piefed.worldEnglish
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        11 days ago

        Consider considering that it has worked very well on macOS for years, it can’t be that much of a leap to get it working on Linux.

        • Leon@pawb.social
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          11 days ago

          Given that we haven’t gotten it yet, despite years of promise, it seemingly has to be. Isn’t it just a webapp anyway?

          • eurodyne@piefed.worldEnglish
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            11 days ago

            I think version 1.0 and 1.5 on macOS were a Web app, but IIRC Gog galaxy 2.0 was finally native on macOS, which they made a really, really, really big deal about. Although, it wouldn’t surprise me if it still makes a huge amount of Web calls.

            Given that we haven’t gotten it yet

            I can’t speak to their development priorities, but from what I understand, they don’t exactly have a huge dev team over there. I’ve learned to be patient with them.

            But I get where you’re coming from

            • Leon@pawb.social
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              11 days ago

              Ah, well if they’re aiming to make a native client I can see it taking a bunch of extra time.

              • eurodyne@piefed.worldEnglish
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                11 days ago

                What I mean is that if they wanna make a linux native client that’s not just a web interface in a shell, then, yeah, it’s gonna take a bunch of effort. And their dev team is already stretched between maintaining a windows native and a relatively new macos native client.

                But with most of the work already done and having made a macOS native client, pouring that to linux shouldn’t be too much more work. A lot of the extra work there should be in leveraging open source libraries to replace whatever proprietary Apple stuff they were using to make it work on macOS. (kind of guessing here)

                • Leon@pawb.social
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                  11 days ago

                  Aye, I follow you. I honestly couldn’t say yay or nay. Might be as easy as switching some libraries out and making a good GUI in Qt/Adwaita/what have you, like what Kagi is doing with Orion. It could be more involved than that too.

        • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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          11 days ago

          Installing and running programs is wildly more complicated on Linux than macOS. On macOS there is only one way to do it: a self contained .app bundle. On Linux there are….several incompatible standards. And if you do it a different way than a specific Linux user’s preference, they will loudly complain and tell you that you’re doing it wrong. Even if it works.

          • Baŝto@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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            11 days ago

            They’ll probably do it similar to what steam does. Steam has learnt a lot there over the years. It’s definitely a pro if it can be easily repackaged, paths configured and they follow the desktop standards, but it will also work without. People will certainly complain if they have to fix stuff themselves

          • eurodyne@piefed.worldEnglish
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            11 days ago

            Installing and running programs is wildly more complicated on Linux than macOS

            noooot really, and you’re already coming in with a full head of steam.

            This is only really true in the strict context of “what can happen in 2026”, and not in the context of if “ what has been historically accomplished up to today, 2026”

            The difference? Pretty much 98% if POSIX apps (including the vast amount of pre-steam gaming, and a lot of current steam games), so don’t let this bitter bitch try to convince you otherwise.

            @ayyy, you can complain all you like about how you don’t understand how macOS works or how it is similar and to LINUX and UNIX, but do it somewhere else that doesn’t waste the rest of our time. The rest of us are trying to come together to solve a problem. It’s clear that your only interest is in driving everyone apart, and that doesn’t solve problems. It just creates them.

            And no one here is interested in that bullshit

            • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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              11 days ago

              I’m speaking from personal experience. What you and I want and actual reality are two different things. Your belligerent complaining is exactly what I was talking about, and it took less than half an hour for it to happen.

              • eurodyne@piefed.worldEnglish
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                11 days ago

                What happened?

                What do you imagine just happened? The fulfillment of some fantasy imagined?

                Lol

                “I can’t work in fast food all my life”

                Edit: let dump the pretense shall we?

                State your position and your argument, and we’ll go from there. And I’m happy to dump the belligerence and the assumed contemptuousness.

                The facts assume no emotion