These numbers are going to need context.
$66,000 for how long? A year? Median across all sentences regardless of length?
If $16,000 houses AND feeds a homeless person permanently, how long exactly are we letting them live before euthanasia? There’s no “permanent” when it comes to feeding or even housing, both include ongoing costs. 16 grand is a couple of years’ food costs for me. More than 1, fewer than 10.
Note that I’m not arguing against housing the homeless obviously. Besides the obvious “what the fuck” factor of making homelessness a crime, incarceration by definition can’t be cheaper because it involves housing, feeding AND guarding them. I just would prefer there to be more context when numbers are thrown around like that.
Per year, per year. These are the yearly outlays for each.
For many people choice between publishing someone at higher cost, or help them at lower isn’t really a choice.
You mean the crime is punished with enslavement.
As the thirteenth amendment specifically allows.
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Louisiana State Penitentiary, aka Angola, was a state owned and operated plantation with over 600 slaves before the Civil War. It never stopped operation, only changed how the slave labor was acquired.
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Elon Musk said he’d end world hunger if that were something that could be done. The United Nations World Food Programme did the math: $6.6 billion per year. That’s it! You can guess how much the world’s richest man has donated toward this cause…
Last I heard he NEGATED $43.8 Billion dollars of aid by cutting USAID, causing the deaths of 4.5 Million Children around the world.
How Much Would It Cost to End World Hunger?
The U.N. World Food Programme feeds over 100 million people facing severe hunger in more than 120 countries and territories every year. In 2021, WFP did this with a budget of $9.6 billion dollars, which was still $5.2 billion dollars short of their total funding requirements. Clearly, ending world hunger will require more money.
Back in July of 2021, former U.N. World Food Programme Executive Director David Beasley mentioned it would take an estimated $40 billion each year to end world hunger by 2030.
Edit: I should add, that they should still do it. Split it between the billionaires. Fuck, Elon is worth a trillion dollars
But you see the billionaires don’t have any money, just a number they keep pumping up.
They don’t have any money, except when they do. They have all kinds of money for stock buybacks and bribes to government officials but when it comes to paying taxes suddenly there’s no liquidity.
That’s still only $360b. We could do that with only a portion of the wealth of ONE MAN.
Just for perspective, a person who invested in the stock market recently and got a 5% return would be said to be investing poorly.
5% may not seem like much, but just for comparison, 5% of a trillion dollars is 50 billion dollars. I think you can see the point. Musk could solve world hunger, and it would be like chump change to him, even if he did fairly poorly with his investments. He wouldn’t even have to touch his savings.
He’s refusing to help people whose lives are being ruined without that help, or who are dying, even though the only penalty for Musk is that he would be getting inconceivably richer at a slightly slower rate.
It’s like he’s sitting on a mountain of life preservers amid an ocean of drowning people
Its not merely about money. Ending food scarcity in remote locations is big part of the problem. It’s a transportation issue of goods economically. We need to centralize humanity and not try to deliver food to example tribes in deep Africa. We have the food production and waste a good portion of food that we throw out.
if we can get this picture with less group-think and bashing of the other side, i’ll forward it to some friends of mine
The “other side” is openly using slavery as a punishment for being poor, and you want to bash them less?
getting angry hurts you and helps noone- we need meaningful statements; emotional bashing was a mistake.
Getting angry gets people mobilized, and it lets “the other side” know we’re not happy with their decisions and won’t take their shit. Telling people to “calm down and stop being emotional”, especially over a resurgence of literal slavery, is asinine and unproductive.
well, mud-throwing certainly typically keeps me away from interacting. i suspect it has the same effect on a lot of other people. so i try to communicate without the mud-throwing in it.
Good, I don’t really want to interact with people that are pro-slavery
i don’t get who you mean by that.
Republicans are a cancer to this world
Slavery with extra steps
I vibe with it but let’s be accurate here:
Based on FY 2023 data, the average annual COIF for a Federal inmate housed in a Bureau or non-Bureau facility in FY 2023 was $44,090 ($120.80 per day). The average annual COIF for a Federal inmate housed in a Residential Reentry Center for FY 2023 was $41,437 ($113.53 per day).
(Please note: There were 365 days in FY 2023.)
James Wills,
Assistant Director/General Counsel,
Federal Bureau of Prisons.
[FR Doc. 2024-28743 Filed: 12/5/2024 8:45 am; Publication Date: 12/6/2024]And you may not trust the suit who wrote that but keep in mind if they were corrupt and under-report themselves they’ll basically be robbing themselves on federal contract negotiations in the future but if they were on the straight and narrow then they’re morally obligated to keep the number accurate and as low as possible.
And the low end is closer to $20,000 while the high end (higher security) was near $75,000 and most interesting of all is that the food and healthcare combined is less than $8,000 but the cost of the institution itself (beds and housing) varies wildly dependent on location as would the amount needed to house people outside of prison, and almost half the cost is paying wages to prison staff including records keeping, attorneys, management, and a metric butt-load of guards.
So, the system is broken and they’re trying to abuse prison labor to the extreme, especially private sector and this specific administration, but in theory some federal prisons are already approaching the efficiency of the 16k number.
You’d also have to put a number on the value of prison labor - it’s unethical, but that never stopped the suits.
How does 16k permanently house and feed someone? Is that yearly cost? Where?
Mass housing dorms, basic shared facilities and cheapest tasteless grub for a person for 16k yep would work. Also I doubt any of them would reject volunteer labor or learning vocational crafts so they can survive have roof and warm food.
I have a family member who chooses to live homeless and after many years of being around him and others in the homeless community I can tell you that many would reject this. On a positive note, some would welcome it.
Well if someone is that irredeemable and made a choice to choose the stick rationally I guess it can’t be helped but innocents in jail leaves society worse off
I would like to permenantly house and feed myself for $16k. I have cash. Tell me how
It’s likely a room in a boarding house, and food through a volunteer kitchen - so that $16K is still being subsidised through private charities and/or local + state Government grants.
Don’t mistake me, though - I’m all for these types of programs. They’re a hell of a lot better than a swathe of people being homeless on the streets, or incarcerated in an overcrowded prison.
if you take the capitalism out of the housing, and didn’t have a dipshit fucking the global economy and cost to eat. in all but the expensive cities in the u.s., it’s probably not that far off for communities of small flats or tiny homes and community-run kitchens.
But yeah even if it cost double to house them rather than imprison them it would still be the right and rational thing to do
Yeah, those numbers don’t make sense with the word “permanently”.
I’m pretty sure the actual cost is to permanently house and feed them until they can get a job that gets them self sufficient.
Move to one of the poorest countries in the world, live in a hut and do nothing except eating. Don’t get bit by wildlife or bugs.
I don’t often see it raised, overshodowed by the revolution, but the brits sent a lot of convicts to the anglo colonies, you’re living in a prison
Unpopular opinion but if you’re using drugs on the streets you should be in jail
Not get actual assistance? You blowing trumpers or something? You apathetic sack of shit.
I’ve said far milder stuff than this and had my comment removed for incivility.
ass hole mods, i’ve had similar.
Really? Jail?
Fuck treatment I guess?
And no, unfortunately, that’s not an unpopular opinion.
Wouldn’t jail be the treatments
And what happens when they get out? Without a safety net or plans? They go right back to using and being on the streets. It’s not a solution, it just kicks the bucket down the road while extracting forced labor from them.
At least it stops them from breaking into my car for loose change
Show us how often your car gets broken into and prove it’s not some neighborhood kid and you left the door unlocked.
Why is everyone on the side of the drug addict meth heads?
Fuck them and fuck you for supporting them
I find the largest virtue signalers are the ones who’ve never lived in a neighborhood with them.
what a response from someone is probably white, grew up in at least middle class and were not affected by outside circumstances, family member dying, medical debt, coming back from war, being too dark for American tastes and just being abused constantly by everyone around them, including police.
sure we get angry at people when bad things happen to us, but to blame homeless?
i bet you call yourself a christian too eh? im fucking not, god is a hateful fuck, maybe you’re taking the old testament instead of what jesus actually taught.
either way, it’s not like they chose to be homeless. show a little empathy now and then instead of screaming at 11 year olds on whatever fifa or cod you’re playing between jackin off.
still didn’t post any evidence of your change getting stolen by a homeless person either.
Have you looked into what jail in the USA actually is at all?
Yes and no, while there is a chance of causing harm to others while on drugs more succinct and beneficial procedures exist. I also dont think its such an unpopular opinion as you think it is - as efforts in actually helping drug addicts is quite small worldwide.
Cool, kill yourself and go ask whatever god about it to be sure.
FYI, this comment has been reported for “promoting violence”. Ordinarily I’d remove it for the “kill yourself” comment, but this seems more of a shitpost than an actual instruction or a promotion of violence. It’s a bit toxic but I’m going to leave it, and downvote & move on.
Anyone who disagrees, feel free to chime in with your take.
Right, well, I certainly think my comment is fitting. Original commenter called for violence against unsheltered and disabled people, so I find it kind of strange that my comment would be too far.
It’s certainly a joke, not intended to convincs them to commit, but I am genuinely telling this person to consider the gravity of the morality they just advocated for. The problem with the violence they just committed is that it is always just to respond in kind, and I don’t think this person seems to understand that. If they’re the one that reported, even funnier. I guess I ought to stick to vague calls for genocide rather than meanness.
You’re not counting the value of the slave labor.
Nor is the fact mentioned that most prisons in the U.S. are run by and as for-profit private companies.
That is why so many people are incarcerated in the U.S., and unpaid slave labor is part of this multibillion-dollar business.
It is a business that, for entirely obvious reasons, no other democracy in the world allows in this absurd form—only the U.S., the “Land of the Free.”
Most? I’m gonna need a source for that cause unless that’s changed recently, they’ve been mostly public prisons.
You’re right that only a minority of inmates are held in private facilities:
In fact, less than 9% of all incarcerated people are held in private prisons; the vast majority are in publicly-owned prisons and jails. Some states have more people in private prisons than others, of course, and the industry has lobbied to maintain high levels of incarceration, but private prisons are essentially a parasite on the massive publicly-owned system — not the root of it. Nevertheless, a range of private industries and even some public agencies continue to profit from mass incarceration. Many city and county jails rent space to other agencies, including state prison systems, the U.S. Marshals Service, and ICE. Private companies are frequently granted contracts to operate prison food and health services (often so bad they result in major lawsuits), and prison and jail telecom and commissary functions have spawned multi-billion dollar private industries. By privatizing services like phone calls, medical care, and commissary, prisons and jails are offloading the costs of incarceration onto incarcerated people and their families, trimming their budgets at an unconscionable social cost.
However, this does nothing to make the fact that private individuals profit from the incarceration of people any better. This practice could hardly be more unethical or counterproductive, as it creates a financial incentive to incarcerate as many people as possible—and it is obvious that this runs counter to the social purpose of prisons.
I completely agree with all of that. But I’d also like to point out that the prison system in the US isn’t being run with rehabilitation in mind. Our system is much more about punishment. They’d rather have people stuck in the system because they can be used as slave labor.
It’s one of the biggest failures of the US IMO and not a lot of people talk about it. Slavery needs to be illegal in all capacities. And prisoners shouldn’t be allowed to be used as labor. In theory I don’t have a problem with it, but in practice it just encourages abuse, as you have pointed out.
Land of the free labour
Except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted
actually GOP likely uses things like prison pop as part of the census for thier start, this likely another source too. another value to them, is that news never reports how they bus them to other blue states, so they can give sound bites to right wing media, to say “shithole liberal media cant control thier drug ridden state”.
-$50,000, if the figures presented are to be believed. I guess that’s what happens when your party is led by a certified business genius. They’re just in it for the love of oppression.
Hm its almost like slaves aren’t quality labor or something. Weird.
they import them from South america.
How do they even tell if you’re homeless? It seems like a pretty fallible conviction to ruin someone’s life… Like what if your bus got delayed?
… have you not seen/been around homeless? It’s pretty clear, hygiene has taken a nose dive is probably the biggest indicator.
So you want cops to base things off of profiling?
Stop upvoting twitter/x posts you idiots, write the thing yourself
What do you mean write it yourself? What good is that?
