Whenever i talk to people about privacy, specifically my friends when i tell them why i switched to Signal and stopped using WhatsApp, i’m always met with people saying that i’m just making no sense and “why would you care so much if you have nothing to hide? I don’t care that meta sees that stuff” and some people are just so stubborn to understand that they might even settle on the “what would a billion dollar company want from me specifically?”. It makes me mad how people refuse to even consider alternatives and open their mind a bit. What do you think?
Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different from saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say. - Edward Snowden
came here to say this and i’m glad lemmy is keeping this alive.
Ask to put a camera in their bathroom
Ask him to live in a glass house at Madison square garden…
“Okay, unlock your phone and hand it over so I can go through it.”
That’s where they all get cold feet. All of them.
I did this once to someone and they were like “ok sure here you go…” I wanted to then check their gallery just to make a point, but I ended up not doing it because it made me so uncomfortable. Guess I won’t be fit as a totalitarian regime leader 😆. I just don’t understand how some people care THAT little for their own privacy.
Next time just open their banking app and start transfering money to your account, let’s see how long that lasts.
You might just be in a bubble of privacy-minded people. I know many people who would hand over their phone unlocked at the drop of a hat. Their digital lives just don’t mean anything to them. But more likely, they don’t appreciate the damage someone can do with that access.
Next time just open their banking app and start transfering money to your account, let’s see how long that lasts.
So your getting their password or face or fingerprint? Most banking apps have some sort or authentication.
Did you read the last sentence?
You have nothing to hide from the people currently in power
The people who used to say “I have nothing to hide” the loudest to me changed their tone real quick once Flock cameras started being used for ICE pickups, arresting people for traveling to other states for abortions, etc
This is the most compelling argument. I find it gross that companies build a profile of me, but as long as that doesn’t change my life, it’s an annoying cost of using free services.
However, when the state, the only organization that can legally use violence, has access to that data, it’s a different story. Then it moves from gross to dangerous.
Not caring about privacy because you have nothing to hide is the same thing like opposing freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.
“That’s sad”
“So why do you wear clothes or don’t share your credit card details online?”
Meta are harvesting your friends data that you have, contacts, birthdays, addresses etc. Using these platforms means that you are probably sharing friends data without their consent just because you don’t care about your own.
Anyway that’s how I would put it to them.
you, yourself, don’t even need a facebook or google account (or others) for them to have all sorts of data on you.
Yep and that’s why social media bros endlessly harvesting data is a travesty.
The other issue with data harvesting is there is no time limit. They just collect and store it forever.
They don’t think they have anything to hide because they think of it as “evil activity”
Reframe it, like sure you are not doing anything bad but these companies don’t care about criminal or evil behaviour. For them you are like livestock you only serve one purpose: making them money, there are no morals involved. They would sell your data to absolutely anyone for any reason! YOU can’t think of anything bad they could do with your data because YOU are not evil but THEY absolutely are. If an evil person wants your data you shouldn’t give it to them because they WILL find a way to use it against us, its a law of nature just like gravity.
“Let me join you next time you need to poop then”
If you have nothing to hide they will put things in your pockets when you aren’t looking
…for now.
What happens if they outlaw being gay, trans, communist, Jewish, Muslim, autistic…
The way regressive bigots and their toadies are gaining power all over the world? We’ll probably find out in a couple of months.
ask for pics of their dick
Sometimes asking if their private conversations (about spouse or kids) conversation would be different with an active observer in the room. Or if they are OK with a stranger at each window watching you. But some see that as paranoia, so it is fruitless.
The real issue is things like: how ICE is requesting records without subpoenas from telecom industries and they comply. Which lets them target protestors, and arrest them an trumped up charges. That’s the slide into 1984 distopia. But it still comes off as paranoid.
