Donald Trump’s bruising return to the White House has sent many longtime foreign allies scrambling to get their distance, and according to a new piece from The Atlantic, that distance will last long after Trump is gone.
Trump’s second term as president has been marked by notable and widespread disrespect toward nations once seen as close U.S. allies. Between his attempts to level massive tariffs against nearly every nation in the world and his frequent breaches of diplomatic norms, Trump has created a hostile global environment in which allies no longer feel safe trusting in the stability of the U.S.
In a new piece for The Atlantic on Tuesday, staff writer Vivian Salama argued that this new dynamic, in which the nations of the world are working to establish a safe distance from the U.S., is bound to become the new normal for years to come, even after Trump leaves office and is potentially replaced by a more traditional, dependable administration.
Ironically, it was probably the corporate bootlicking and Robert’s clearly nonsense claim that the President is above the law that sealed the deal. An election abberation is one thing, the rest of the power establishment sucking his cock while declaring that the system will continue to allow and encourage the chaos is not something worth dealing with.
Trump is only the most obvious symptom of a corrupt system.
Permanent? Nothing is fucking permanent.
Long lasting, ok sure, but it’s really hard to know what that would mean.
At least the next two years, maybe six years? Definitely.
The world is moving to a new paradigm where China and India, allied with South American and smaller Asian countries, run the world. The US will never return to prominence.
Mmmm yesss your arrogance is delicious
The US flushed a century of building soft power in 18 months.
Everytime someone says something is too big to fail, I remind myself that failure is often a catastrophic series of events that occur because the leadup was ignored all the way.
Death to America.
No Trump. Americans.
The first term was forgivable as long as they learned from it. Instead they celebrated it and cried out for more.
Oh, yeah? Who voted for Brexit? Who voted for LePen? Who voted AFD? Who voted for Meloni? Don’t be so quick to blame Americans when your own countrymen are doing the same shit.
Brits didn’t vote for Brexit twice, Le Pen has never been president of France despite three attempts and AFD has never had any real power in Germany. I’ll give you Italy’s Meloni, but the rest are just weak whataboutisms.
It’s happening in Germany. It’s happening in France. It’s happening in Australia and Canada and Italy and Japan and pretty much everywhere. Somehow, in spite of a proven record of failure and catastrophic consequences, right wing ideology continues to grow like a cancer across the globe.
The US got to this point with help from foreign billionaires, as well as domestic ones. Elon Musk, Rupert Murdoch, Sundar Pichai… The grift is global and putting your vitriol toward those who might take your side will leave you friendless when it happens to you where you live.
People gave up instead of showing up and that was a costly mistake.
Many people mean well, even if they live in bad places. Have the grace to encourage them to keep resisting, even if that resistance is as small as protest or even voting, for your own sake.
Try to take hybrid warfare into account. Not for nothing was Putin paying buildings full of trolls to poison internet culture for years and years. They couldn’t automate it with an LLM back then.
The tech bros will be more than happy to help him automate some of that work. You know, to promote ‘free speech’.
No war but class war - hating the people of any country is bullshit.
Almost twice as many Americans voted against Trump as people live in your entire country (assuming Canadian from the instance). That’s a ridiculously ignorant blanket statement to make. I loathe our government and the assholes who support it as well, but I don’t hate entire countries for having evil shitty leaders.
I assume you’ve been online in the last four years, and seen that all Russians are at fault for the invasion of Ukraine?
Why would you assume that Americans wouldn’t be seen similarly?
I’ve seen it said, and it’s dead wrong. Why would this be any less wrong?
Whether it is wrong or right is irrelevant. It is.
It’s an incorrect claim that’s made, yes. That doesn’t mean you also have to make it.
hate entire countries for having evil shitty leaders.
This is a popular thing to do on lemmy and it’s honestly 50/50 if you get downvoted to hell for saying it’s bad.
Any thoughts about my reply?
When people are advocating for the “lesser evil” of genocide, it’s pretty easy to call them all evil pieces of shit, you know?
Yup, one of the nice things about Lemmy is that downvotes mean even less than they did on reddit!
Yeah I wish I could just turn them off for me globally. My mobile app doesn’t allow that unfortunately.
The point, you are missing it.
It’s not that “not all Americans”, it’s that you inflicted him on the rest of us. If you are butthurt at the rest of the world for rejecting the US you might have a rethink.
I didn’t inflict him on anyone - I voted against him 3 times. Rejecting the US government is the absolute correct response, as it can’t be trusted. But a country’s government is not all of its people.
Once again, personal responsibility doesn’t mean shit. The Americans inflicted him upon us. That you personally didn’t has no actual bearing on reality. You may not like it, you probably hate it, but you share collective responsibility for Trump as a nation.
So, if the rest of the world reroutes around you as a damaged and dangerous state, that should be an expected outcome. Save your pouting, and collectively deal with it.
Saying that, I do appreciate your helpless frustration. But we all have our own political problems in our own countries. If your country is a absolute fucking trainwreak and set to destroy all normal and reasonable order, we owe all of you nothing. And if you open your eyes real wide you can see the globe rapidly sidestepinng away from you in real time. This situation won’t change an inch if you elect a jolly, sane Obama next time. Because elemental MAGA runs deep in your DNA. The only question is when will it surface next?
The rest of the world rerouting around us a damaged and dangerous state is fine, the correct course of action even. But hating an entire nation of people for their leader is an ignorant response. In meatspace people have to do what the can to protect themselves from malicious governments like ours. Online, I’m an individual, and so are you. What our governments do means fuck all here.
I probably hate our government more than you - it almost certainly affects me more. But bigotry is not okay.
You will probably have to point out where I said that hating all Americans is ok? I don’t think that I said anything about hating anyone. I said, more or less, that America is a damaged society. Others have pointed this out as well. It’s just best to ignore them, work around them and hope for the best. This crap won’t end with Trump.
This is a cliche, fair enough, but my best friend is American, and now an Australian. Why would I hate him just for being born in a different place. I’ve also acknowledged that a great many Americans hate Trump. That is immaterial. He’s still your representative, he acts in your name and almost 50% still vote for him. All the rest doesn’t change a lived reality.
We can’t change the minds of other people, all we can do is act on the situation we’re in.
We are going to sooner or later have to take out the fucking trash.
When the time comes and this shit rises up in other countries like Germany, these countries do not expect help from us nor will they get it.
Because we’re busy solving our own problems for once.
This is a basic thing that will always exist, countries with terrible governments. All I’m saying is to not judge an entire country by its government. Boycott it, hate the government, all fine. But don’t hate the PEOPLE simply because of where they live. Except the ones that support the government, of course!
Need to caveat this that not all Americans. The country is incredibly polarized and pissed off at itself from within. It’s a hot cesspool mess inside and there are many who sympathize with the rest of the world and abhor the cancer within.
I can’t stand this argument. It’s the exact same logic as blurting out “not all men” when women rightfully express how they should be cautious when interacting with them in certain contexts.
Sure, not all Americans. That just doesn’t matter in the slightest when there’s a large enough chunk of them to get the world in the mess it is now. If they get their shit together maybe people will stop generalizing as a means of precaution for the sake of sparing headaches. The problem is with them as a whole, not the people steering clear.
Not at all comparible in the least because in this context “men” in this context are also victimizing other men. This is the equivalent of other men ALSO having to be cautious when interacting with other men.
In making this comparison you are just generalizing all Americans and basically saying they get what’s coming to them regardless of whether they put the clown in power or they are in fact victims of said clown. All the generalizing does is socially lock them in with the room with their abuser.
It’s totally irrelevant if it’s all USians or just a few of them. The US is a inherently unstable country, winner takes it all. When people elect a less idiotic president, it will just take a few years until the next Trump-Level guy wins again.
Also the republican presidents I experienced in my life got more unhinged every cycle, Regan, old Bush, young Bush, Trump. Who will be next one? One day there will be another Republican president.
The only way out would be a fundamental refactoring to not be a failing democracy.
Pigs will fly through a freezing hell before that happens. So the only rational thing is to understand the empire fell, the King has no clothes and keep a wide berth around the US in all future dealings.
Who will be next one? One day there will be another Republican president.
Yes. Just look at two prominent, potential Republican presidential candidates for the next few decades: dark lord and antichrist lecturer Peter Thiel’s boy JD Vance and unhinged, rabid anti-communist Marco Rubio. There are probably others of a similar caliber, but I try to forget.
Except it becomes relevant when the few are being told they are the reason why their country is the way it is.
It’s a brush that paints both aggressors and actual victims in the same light and while I can accept people calling the US a failing nation but I feel a deep resentment towards people who just say “Americans are the problem.”
Same people are also the first to tell me I need to do something that’s liable to get me killed or worse.
Yeah, the system is rotten and appears to be reaching its experimental conclusion. Technofeudal Christofascism wants so badly to hammer the final nail in the coffin of so-called American democracy (which was always a facade for corposlavery…or just straight up slavery).
If the country ever actually gave a shit about true democracy, ranked preference voting and much more representative chambers would have existed. But it’s only ever been about wealth and classism, it’s just now the facade has been completely torn off to expose the rot for everyone to smell.
Everyone ignoring that he still has a 40% approval rating. That’s 137m people who like what’s going on.
Let’s just lock the door and wait for the dumpster fire to burn itself out.
You going by fox new polls? Not sure how else you’d find an approval rating that high.
Recent polls have his approval down to 29%. Which is still way too high, but when people can’t heat their homes this winter, I expect those numbers to drop even further.
Yeah, a lot of people are still in love with him. They’re brainwashed lead-poisoned idiots and fascism lovers. Makes me wish it were easier to emigrate out of the dumpster fire.
A clear majority of voting Americans either voted for Trump or didn’t vote because they didn’t care if he won. Its not just one idiot.
A clear majority is not necessarily everyone. 51% constitutes a clear majority.
Everyone under 18 was ineligible to vote and their opinions were immaterial. Convicted felons can also have their voting
rightprivilege revoked.So, just realize a lot of people are pissed and suffering from within, too.
49.8% of people who voted, and ~65% of voters voted.
So about 32% of all voters voted for Trump, and 35% did not care enough to stop him.
Yeah, and fuck those 35% pieces of shit.
As your historical enemy how many presidents do I have to go back before it becomes all Americans?
The good ones fled after the revolutionary war.
Historical enemy? So Russian? Glass houses, man.
You should learn more history if you think Russia is.
For most of the past century they have been. What country are you from then?
Canada.
Canada hasn’t been our enemy since the treaty of Ghent when Canada was still part of the UK. Perhaps you ought to learn some history.
If only there were some way to choose where to be born. Wasn’t given much of an opportunity to flee after the revolutionary war.
I apologize for your parents being terrible people. At what point are you able to renounce your citizenship?
Yes, because denouncing citizenship would absolutely be the most viable solution in finding a place to live. Other countries love to accept nationless humans.
Then how do you assist America’s enemies?
And how does “not all Americans” limit the damage to the rest of us?
Might provide a little hope that Americans from within are actually more on your side than his.
Look, I’m sorry for all this stupid horrible shit happening because of the absolutely asinine decisions being made by fascist hopefuls elected by arrogant and ignorant sociopaths. My hate for today’s reality runs as deep as yours, but it gets to be accompanied by its best friend, shame, as well.
You are not at fault. But nothing good will come from all this and it is what it is.
Goodbye Washington.
The average American citizen wont understand or care about this, and yet I do imagine there are pretty negative long term implications for them, along with all the other garbage being piled onto them.
I brought up that the cost of diesel has gone up massively (particularly at the start of the Iran conflict) and has started to rapidly balloon again to a co-worker at my 2nd job said he did not care about the price of diesel because he doesn’t use diesel…
I carefully explained to him that everything is shipped over land is using diesel and this will cause the price of everything to go up and he pushed back again saying “Well everything is going up in price anyway.” Its like dude WTF do you even do with people like this? I did not even touch on the expense of using heavy construction and farming machinery also increasing costs of everything…
He described himself once as someone who agrees with democrats on social issues but thinks republicans are better on the economy and I internally was like DUUUUDE THIS IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN ECONOMY RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING TROGLODYTE AAAHAHHAHAHA WE FUCKING DESERVVVVE THIIIIIIIISSSS.
Ask him how will he pay for the stuff becoming more expensive.
The only “social issue” he cares about is his tax burden.
Well, if your coworker is that braindead, then he probably won’t notice if you start propagandizing to him. Everytime something bad happens, audibly blame Trump and the Republican Party for it. A couple of weeks of that oughta change his opinion of things.
And with the current trends of openly weaponizing the dollar, I would expect the BRICS to expand and the petrodollar dominance to wane.
Russia finally winning the cold war ig
This is the real bottom line. MAGA seems to think that Russia is on their team.
Trump has laid bare our (rest of the world) complete risk exposure. Financial houses and strategists are making it clear. Politicians very much aware that their voters do not want a “special relationship” with America. Only the extreme right here support him.
We should lose friends over this (not that that is going to sink into the MAGAt morons’ thick skulls), but I hope we can go back to being civil once the cancer is removed.
It’s not going to be removed. I think the US is turning into a cyberpunk corpo state, more quickly than I could have imagined; Trump is just the unwitting setup.
Really though? When push comes to shove we see them grovel at his feet. Just look at the embarrassment that is Denmark pledging its loyalty to the US and surrendering Greenland.
I hope the entire world turns its back on America.
If they can do this to me, one of its own citizens, imagine what they’ll do to you.
because I’ve been hurt I want to hurt them
gee, that sounds eerily familiar. where have I heard that mentality before I wonder…
Maybe stop hurting the rest of the world.
??? That’s not at all what was said.
let’s break it down into the three statements.
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I hope the entire world turns its back on America.
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If they can do this to me, one of its own citizens,
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imagine what they’ll do to you.
Statement 2 has identified them and implies that statement 1 has happened to them.
Statement 2 has a qualifier, they are a citizen of the US.
Statement 1 expresses they hope the world turns their back on the US like they have implied happened to them in statement 2.
Statement 3 is a direct threat to you that the US will force statement 1 on you just like them in statement 2.
when you reduce it down, logically, they are saying: “I hope Americans are hurt because Americans hurt me, and they’ll hurt you like they hurt me, so hurt them first because I want them to be hurt like they hurt me.”
this is logic 101 shit.
this is logic 101 shit.
I wish you’d have used some logic on your first reply, you’ve just added nonsense.
then please, by all means enlighten me with your logical assessment of their comment.
It was very self explanatory.
ok, so you’re just a troll.
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I always knew conservatives (regressives) would destroy America. I just didn’t think it would be so fast and so aggressively stupid.
Who would have thought years ago not only that someone like Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president but that people would think he was a viable candidate to vote for?
Not only “viable” but elected twice. In fact he’s so “viable” that he’s even proposing an illegal third term and his voters are most likely in support of it. Truly the end of America as we’ve known it.
November 2020: Trump tries to fix the U.S. Presidential election.
January 2021: Trump tries to overthrow the U.S. Government.
NOVEMBER 2024: TRUMP WINS FAIR AND SQUARE.
November 2026: Trump tries to fix the U.S. Presidential election.
MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME!
he rigged the '24 one too.
I don’t believe all of it is permanent. Some of it can come back if we bargain in good faith. Politicians in other countries are just as opportunistic as American politicians.
European here, I’m not sure that’s likely
Europe bought Russian gas up until the point Russia invaded Ukraine. . .twice. They will absolutely continue to trade with the US. Cooperation may not be as close, but the trade will be there until we actually physically attack Europe. Possibly more than once.
That’s the thing, though. Russia has gas. America has nothing. You used to have institutional power due to your position after World War II, but now all those institutions are being torn down. You have nothing to offer the world. You don’t manufacture anything, your population is uneducated and your tech products are an active liability.
But you’re presenting that from a normal person’s point of view. The oligarchy and politicians see great value in all that crap.
Nothing is permanent in international relations. Nations have permanent interests, not permanent allies.
Yes, but governments usually try to plan for outcomes that last more than 4 years. As it is now, the second a rational president is in place starts a timer counting down to a completely unknown situation. Who would want to take a risk on that? This leaves you with allies who are only there now, because they know thats all they can rely on. And if they aren’t rewarded immediately, in political terms, they won’t bother, either.
