The flag doesn’t offend me. It’s just a piece of colored cloth. It’s the people doing those horrible acts that offend me. Especially the ones using the flag as a justification.
The flag doesn’t offend me. The dickless chuds who wave it around 24/7 and have to wear it on at least 1 article of clothing at every moment in time claiming that what equates to less than a mild inconvenience or otherwise does NOT impact their lives at all is a fundamental infringement upon their personal freedoms while blindly supporting the an authoritative govt stripping away freedoms from. 25% of the country…
…that’s what does
The ones waving the flag the hardest.
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Prager U continuing to be shitty beyond belief. Whats new.
There are a million possible topics, too many to lost but if you find yourself needing a place to start…
Black Wall Street (and any of the destruction of predominantly black neighborhoods being torn down/flooded/etc.), Wounded Knee, Trail of Tears, internment camps
The list is indeed far longer than we can count, and that’s just domestic :’)
Don’t forget about Seneca Village, or what is today known as “Central Park”…
I never looked around, never second-guessed, then I read some Howard Zinn now I’m always depressed.
You should listen to some Public Enemy and Reagan Youth.
I don’t always agree with Chuck D but I’ll always listen to what the man has to say.
The USA is just as bloody as its parent, the UK, and they’re both as bad as other nations with an Imperial past. I don’t see any one as “worse” than the others.
I don’t know all of world history, there’s always more to learn, but every empire I’ve researched devolves into this at some point.
But, even small countries like Belgium manage to wreak havoc.
This is why government needs to be limited, in my opinion. Governments are killing machines, and the bigger they get, the easier it is. Just like people, governments require rules to limit them or its madness. I think the USA, Russia, and China all have the same problem, they’re too big for their own good.
The USA is just as bloody as its parent, the UK, and they’re both as bad as other nations with an Imperial past.
Or, you know, damn near every single empire or powerful ruler throughout all of human history. The Greek golden age was only possible thanks to slaves working the fields, Rome was similar in this regard.
Eastern nations weren’t any better, read up on ancient Chinese culture and all the fucked up shit they did.
Same goes for India, hell they’re still trying to end child marriage but still represent like 20-25% of all child marriages in the world.
People love to dog on America, and I’ll be happy to point out all the historical examples, but the truth is this is more a symptom of the human condition and less about a nation. Look at the other countries on earth and you’ll find plenty of evidence that evil isn’t isolated to one nation, people, culture or time period.
It’s universally a human thing.
At least some of them have largely left it in the past
Like who?
Well Germany hasn’t done any US inspired racial segregation in quite a while now.
That’s globalisation trend. Other than that Germany supported(or even participated) the US during and after their crimes, same with Israel.
But only after massive changes that usually but not always required massive amount of wars and/or societal collapse. A prime example is France wherein the Ancien Regime was only truly ended by the double tapping that was the French revolution and Napoleonic era, hell even the fucking Russian empire was more open to change than the Kingdom of France.
UK managed to buy every slaves freedom before other countries thought ending slavery was cool
But, you still have a parasitic royal family latched upon you like an enormous tick.
You win some, you lose some.
More offended by the nonces in the family tbh, but I guess you can complain about that too.
No, the USA is the most destructive nation yet on this planet. No one even comes close even from ancient history (think Rome or Mongols). If you don’t know this already you are probably just ignorant or in denial.
You probably need to read up on Rome and the Mongols, friend.
I have. That is why I made the point. Thanks for checking though. No country in history has caused even close to the amount of destruction the US has.
I do. Because the US didn’t take a hint and is still doing their bullshit Imperialism today, and have turned America into some sort of cult to be worshipped.
It’s okay, you are allowed to disagree with me, my rightness only shines all the brighter
Humans are slow learners. We have been doing this shit to ourselves for way too long.
I feel like we’ve learned so much in social manipulation that we as a species can continue this shit with absolute immunity.
It’s possible for a nation to set some valuable examples while still being a bad actor.
That’s America.
That’s many countries off and on throughout their histories. The thing about America is that it has so much wealth and power and with great power comes blah blah blah, right? Our good actions tend to do a lot of good, and our bad actions tend to have far reaching consequences. And right now our bad actions are outweighing the good and they’re such comically bad actions that they really stand out. We’re really going out of our way to be the baddies.
What all these tweet-historians ignore is that the wickedness they’re criticizing is not unique to the USA, or even the Western world. Its also not a purely Imperialistic trait as it existed long before Roman Imperialism and it exists in the Eastern world as well.
China, India, the middle east… they all have histories filled with cruelty and evil acts that rival anything the USA has. In some ways, like when that Chinese army was trapped and had no food so the emperor offered his concubines as food and the soldiers gleefully obliged, are horrors American history lacks.
Remember; cruelty is a human trait, not an American one (or one isolated to one nation, people, culture or time period.)
I’m guessing they’re not big readers at PragerU…
I mean, if you’re fine with genocide, with war crimes, mass killing, unethical experimentation with people, racism, homophobia, transphobia, bigotry, religious fanaticism and probably a bunch of other “cool” things I’m forgetting, sure. The US must look really cool to you.
Right now, the US look good only if you see them with the lens of someone who lived 3000 years ago when all those things were somewhat fine.
But for sane humans, that flag symbolizes so many wrong and evil things that might as well be next to the other worst flags of human history.
Most other rich and powerful countries have done/are doing all those same things too. It’s absolutely right to identify and fight against those abuses, but America is certainly not alone in acting like a psychopath, some could argue that it’s not even the worst historically (though they’re pretty close to the top of the pile right now)
I’m in Europe.
Amongst all countries here, we really, trully, did shit to everbody in the World, even did it to each other.
Unlike America, we’re not actually proud of it, the public opinion around here are generally against doing it now (though the elites are still fucking sociopaths) and we’re actually trying to stop doing it which is why there is a lot less warmongering here than in the US and hence much smaller military budgets even though Europe is right next to the imperialist nutters in Russia.
Also as somebody else pointed out, there is nowhere near the same level of flag shagging in most of Europe as there is in the US.
The only exception to most of this is Britain, and even they are somehow mid-way between the US and the rest of Europe rather than at the level of the US.
Unlike America, we’re not actually proud of it
The majority, one would hope.
but people forget.
There was marine le pen, there was the Canadian Freedom Convoy. There are parties like AfD. it amazes me that these things can exist, but perhaps it shouldn’t. You may be well educated and empathetic but I guarantee many of your peers may not see the world the same way you do. There are people among you who understand this well enough and will take advantage.
the first step to becoming the devil is to be unable to imagine oneself sinking to the level of those they hate. please stay vigilant, it can happen to anybody
The Far-Right in Europe are having to portray people coming over her as bad for people living here to get support.
There is little or no public support in most of Europe, even amongst the Far-Right, for projecting European power abroad by attacking foreign countries.
Also you don’t hear the Far-Right in Europe celebrating colonialism and demanding to go back to that. The few times some tried it just fell flat and they shut up about it (and as a side note, curiously the same happened when they tried American-style mixing of Religion with Politics)
Even the support for white supremacism abroad (in the form of Israel) is happening against the desires of the European public opinion and is definitelly not overtly about “our fellow whites” (and for those with any doubt that Isreal is a white supremacist nation, just go read how they treat black Jews over there according even to newspapers like the Haaretz)
Whilst the direction of travel in politics is the same in Europe and the US, the public opinion Europe is decades “behind” the American mindset in areas such as supremacism and warmongering.
From what I can tell the people who are actually obsessed with our flag here are a minority, then there’s the football hooligans and the racists (some overlap). Pretty much everyone else doesn’t really use flags.
When was the last time you saw a French flag on a mug or a pair of shorts? Or a Dutch flag, or even a Spanish flag?
The flag in Britain gets pushed into a lot of areas to were the flags of other European countries don’t get pushed to.
My own impression (having lived for over a decade in Britain) is that the flag in Britain gets shown a lot more outside formal occasions than the national flags in other European countries. This also dovetails with the nationalistic push in the discourse of mainstream politicians and even how British news vs International news are reported in Britain (trying to make it sound like in international events everybody is paying attention and following what British politicians say or reporting on some meaningless blunder in some small provincial place elsewhere in Europe in a “look at those silly foreigners, this would never happen here” tone that implies “we’re much better than that”).
And don’t get me started on how, almost a century later, at least every 5 years there’s yet another film about WWII coming out from Britain.
The push for Nationalism and for the belief in National Greatness is much higher and widespread in Britain that anywhere else in Europe I lived in (which, by the way, includes Germany), something which is partly behind Brexit and the shit show it became because British Politicians went to negotiate the Exit Treaty with a “they’ll give us everything we want because we’re so important”.
The whole thing in Britain with the Empire and WWII reminds me how during the time of the Fascist dictator Salazar in my native Portugal there was an almost constant remembering and celebrating the past glories of the country (even though the Age Of Maritime Discoveries was 5 centuries past) which is not at all the case nowadays under Democracy.
As for the far-right and football hooligans in Britain, they’re so extreme in their flag shagging that the ones in England will not only do it with the British flag, they’ll even do it with the St. George’s.
Yeah, the biggest difference between how an European and an American look at their countries history is that the European goes “we did some fucked up shit we shouldn’t have.” while the American goes “we did nothing wrong, except slavery but we modernized it so it’s fine”.
It’s not alone in the acts they’re doing, but I’d argue they are alone in the weird feeling of the citizens about the flag itself. The kind of patriotism found in the US people is rarely found anywhere else.
Pretty much grabbed a list of “shit you shouldn’t do to other people” and treated it as a TODO list.
Okay but AMERICAN™ innovation and uhh wealth or something
I think we all know by now that everything prageru says is mental gymnastics ragebait.
18% of Americans were unable to select the correct option:
A) The Earth revolves around the Sun
B) The Sun revolves around the Earth
C) I don’t know
Edit: I found a source for 26% before I found the source for 18%
Anyway, I guess what I’m saying is, no matter how obvious it is, there are tens of millions of Americans who will easily get it wrong.
God I hate how shitter puts the reply on top of the original post so when you read it from top to bottom like a normal human being it feels like a Jeopardy question.
When somebody ends an argument by angrily telling you to go read a book, and you do, the book usually confirms they’re wrong.
“Its in the bible” “Go read a dictionary” “The Quran literally says…” “Yeah but the comics say…” “Yeah but in the manga…”
Youre absolutely correct, these people have no idea what theyre talking about.
What’s wrong with “Yeah but in the manga/comics”? Those don’t seem to fit with the others.
They seem more along the lines of “Agh, the movies don’t even mention the Barrow Downs!”
Theyre wrong about what happens in them.
Does this apply in 100% of cases? Because if not then it seems like a generalization, no?
I love doing that. When someone tells me I’m wrong and I need to do some research and then I come back with peer reviewed research papers confirming my side.
Yes, I’m that level of petty about our tiny disagreement.
Your “research” was supposed to be in the echo chamber websites they frequent!
Yeah and if you show them credible sources they’ll be like “WRONG. See?” and then link to a bunch of propaganda sites…
Which book have you had recommended at you?
Not OP, but the bible’s a big one.
Well, depends on the font size and paper thickness.
Because people who try to shut arguments down with this project that they can’t imagine a scenario where they would actually read a book. It’s the same energy as those that invoke the Bible, i.e. never read it themselves, assume it says what their feelies feel
You can tell you won the argument when the other person starts shouting over you, starts attacking your intelligence or character and storms out.
My favourite version of this joke:
My favorite is Chinese history where they go:
“Ling Long incident: no one recalls how it began or what happened,150 million dead, half of china destroyed. Famine for 10 years.”
And it’s just a minor footnote written down by maybe one court scribe.
It’s comparable to the nazi swastika or the union jack.
