• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
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    Wow, this is all from Orban losing. Noice.

    What Magyar Is Actually Doing

    He’s pulling the financial floor out from under the whole operation. Halleluiah!

    No more MCC dividends from Russian oil. No more $1.7 billion in state assets propping up an international influence network. No more Hungarian taxpayer money in CPAC’s pocket. No more money to the Heritage Foundation. No more shredded documents.

    Magyar’s win deprives Putin of his main EU ally and is sending shockwaves through Western right-wing circles. Remove the money, remove the platform, remove the proof-of-concept and what exactly is Heritage selling again? A big fat nothing-burger.

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      2 months ago

      My concern now is Bulgaria’s new leader is going to just replace Orban as the EU asshole who will push to block Ukraine support and will instead suck Putin’s dick like Oban did.

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      I’m still honestly shocked that Orban just kind of ceded without a fight. No challenging results? No hard or soft coup? He’s been in power for decades and was clearly one sick and corrupt fuck… So to abdicate power like that… It just doesn’t track with me.

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        He’s in hiding now and the government are shredding every file they can get their hands on.

        They know they’re fucked in more ways than one

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        He probably didn’t want to go to prison for the rest of his life.

        Smart people recognize when they had a good run, and spend the rest if their days living free.

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        My understanding is that the victory was too decisive to really argue over. He can’t really cry foul or cheating effectively since it was his damn government running them. He just… Doesn’t really have a good way to fight it. Rather than looking like a petulant toddler *cough*Trump*cough*, he bowed out and accepted defeat.

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          Sure, it was overwhelming defeat, and it painted him in a corner, which can be a very desperate place for a fading tyrant, who often respond by lashing out violently.

          But not always. The Soviet Union fell without much of a fight at all, which surprised everybody.

          I doubt MAGA will be that reasonable. They will try to fight back, which will be good. Crushing them will be far more satisfying this time, because it won’t just be the street level dipshit that feels the pain, it will be the leaders, too. They won’t escape punishment this time, and they may even get worse than a prison sentence.

          Like Nazi Germany, the dipshits in charge think that they can order Scorched Earth, and their acolytes will do it, but the reality is, when it gets to the point of collapse, the rats will jump ship, and hide.

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          2 months ago

          this what the us needs in its next election. massive, clear, and overwelming wins. I hope us people see this and realize that we have a chance but they can’t depend on other peoples vote to get it done. It needs to be an assailable result.

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        There’s more to the story for sure but we won’t get the details until the wars die down and people start talking.

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    I’ll happily believe this article if it wasn’t that it seems to have zero sources for the claims it makes. Yeah we’ve already seen many US based right wing vloggers being exposed as a paid mouthpiece for Putin, so I’m sure this too squares but…

    Again, I’m sure this is true, but without sources it might as well be tinfoil hat writing

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    WHY WAS ALL THIS SHIT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN? THEY RELEASED A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DOCUMENT EXPLAINING ALL THE EVIL CRAP THEY PLANNED TO DO, AND THEY STILL WON THE ELECTION! IT’S LIKE A GODDAMN CARTOON WHERE THE VILLAIN PUBLICLY ANNOUNCES THEIR PLAN AND STILL NOBODY STOPS THEM!

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    A. Fuck I hope so

    B. But even if it is the end for Heritage, they’ve already achieved the goal they set out to achieve: Replace democracy with a government of corporations, for corporations, by corporations.

    Heritage can go the way of the dinosaur, but all the offshoot organizations, institutions, and policies they helped establish will remain long after they’re gone.

    You know how there seem to be so many random tech companies (like flock), that seemed to pop up out of nowhere overnight all over the country to help officially establish the authoritarian surveillance state?

    Then you read about the history of these companies that allegedly started as just some kind of side project/hobby between a few friends who lacked any real experience to do the things their company does? But for some reason a bunch of VC billionaires who refuses to even pay their own taxes decided to just dump an insane amount of money into a startup created by 3 friends who didn’t even know why they were doing?

    And you start to wonder if it’s really just a coincidence there are so many connections among these Silicon Valley investors and U.S. intelligence agencies that depend on these people to fund most of their bottomless blackbox budget?

    That’s how Heritage was created.

    Just look at the insane list of offspring organizations that were created by Heritage co-founder, and the godfather of the modern social conservative movement, Paul Weyrich.

    Towards the end of the civil rights movement and just a few years shy of the Powell memo, a radio DJ from a working class family in Wisconsin decides to move to D.C. to work as an aid for a Colorado Republican governor.

    Then, with no college degree, family, or political connections, he creates the precursor organization to the Heritage Foundation with an investment from Joseph Coors right around the time the Powell memo is released.

    Joseph Coors, heir to the Coors brewery, just happens to be good friends with corporate lawyer and U.S. intelligence darling William J. Casey, the man who created the concept of a tax shelter to help businesses skirt the regulations outlined in the New Deal. Coincidentally, Casey would also serve as Ronald Reagan’s CIA director during his first term before dying very suddenly from a brain tumor during hearings for the Iran Contra.

    Weyrich’s precursor organization to Heritage, which focused mainly on social conservativism fails. However, Weyrich is soon connected with the economic expertise of conservative Ed Feulner, and another investment from Coors helps launch Heritage. Coors’ money is soon followed by large donations from Richard Mellon Scaife and other wealthy conservatives.

    Heritage creates their first edition of Mandate for Leadership (the most famous edition being Project 2025), and both Carter and Reagan receive a copy before the upcoming election.

    Carter ignores it. Reagan loves it.

    The Iran hostage crisis unexpectedly allows Reagan to defeat Carter, and Reagan implements the majority of the Mandate for Leadership within his first year in office and appoints Casey as CIA director. Casey dies during the Iran Contra hearings and subsequently takes all the blame for the entire scandal. The rest is history.

    Except, the history nobody really talks about is the fact that Jimmy Carter and several members of his administration firmly believed that prior to the election, Reagan’s CIA director, William Casey, traveled to Iran and helped orchestrate the delayed release of the hostages.

    The delayed hostage release (October surprise) is believed to be the main factor leading to Carter’s defeat and Reagan’s victory.

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    Hungarian taxpayer money and Russian oil revenue

    No Russian oil revenue is funding right wing fascism. Hungarian state assets are. Hungarian company is a refinery operation that uses any oil to extort primarily Hungarians for that funding. Deflecting the primary evil of GOP onto foreign actors (that are not Israel maximalists), and fishing for yet another Russia connection, is deflection from GOP evil, and of dysfunction of democracy. US has massive foreign interference operations.

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      The GOP isn’t even real. It’s a trick to distract us from the evil foreigners, I tell ya.

      We need good strong Republicans like Bush and Cheney back in power to protect us from the mean, bad Russians

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        Naah, it’s the Danes! They got Greenland and won’t let Trump put golf courses and hotels in!

        The Russians are fine.

        Putin OTOH, is a murderous prick. That’s why “ganster wanabe” Trump is impressed by him.

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      Let’s see it unravel first before you try and poo-pooh any connections.

      I hate to bring the bad news to the table, but the US isn’t the ONLY country on the planet with foreign interference capabilities.

      Have you read The Foundations of Geopolitics by Aleksander Dugin?

      You should.

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        Russophobia led people to accept Ukrainian nazification puppetry by the US to force war on Russia, just as Iranophobia was always a march to this war. That a Russian wrote a book on geopolitcs doesn’t change the pure evil forces coordinated on diminishing Russia that exists without addressing how to defend against them.

        This Hungary/Orban funding for evil is serious, explains GOP admiration, and last minute political rally from Vance. Interesting that in the rally Vance held, he tried calling Trump live on speakerphone, but it went to voicemail. Trump doesn’t really care about GOP/CPAC/Heritage.

        • phar@lemmy.world
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          Force war on Russia. The west made Russia invade Ukraine. Russia was like, no, we don’t want to invade a sovereign nation. The west was like, oh yeah well you better. All because russophobia. That must be it.

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          In Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor. In Iran, it’s the United States. Blaming the war in Ukraine on Russophobia is about as reasonable as blaming the war in Iran on their chants of ‘death to America’. You can dress it up any way you want but at the end of the day they are both empires doing the shitty stuff that empires do. Let’s not pretend like either is innocent.

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            Categorically unacceptable to not see the pure corruption of Democracy in Ukraine and Europe that manufactured this war on Russia. Subjugation is truly hopeless when full denial of it.

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              Nice Russian talking point as long as you’re willing to pretend Russia is a victim instead of an expansionist empire.

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            Blaming the war in Ukraine on Russophobia is about as reasonable as blaming the war in Iran on their chants of ‘death to America’.

            It’s a bad comparison, as Ukraine/Russia is functionally a civil war over a border that didn’t matter until the USSR dissolved. Iran/US is a proxy war over Israel’s expansion into Lebanon.

            Much like with the breakup of Yugoslavia and subsequent genocidal border wars, the fight between Ukraine and Russia has been manufactured by Western political interests seeking to run both countries down. That’s why the US is sending money and weapons to both countries.

            By contrast, we’re not standing up Iran’s military.

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              Ukraine and Russia is not a civil war by any measure that isn’t pro-Imperialist. Russia is an old school empire. Even most of the territory inside proper Russia isn’t Russian. The real Russian core is Moscow - St.Petersburg and the surrounding areas. Much like the Baltic States the USSR subjugated Ukraine. But Ukrainians had wanted independence and even (wrongly) welcomed Nazi invaders at first thinking they were going to get independence thanks to them (very stupid idea, sure). The point is that Ukrainians see themselves as cousins of Russians but not as Russian. And Russia is the country that invaded and initiated this current war, they are the aggressors. Calling this a “civil war” is pure Russian propaganda.

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    Any democrat president if that happens should clarify them as a terrorist group denied of due process.

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      Sorry best we can do is “I’m-going-to-sit-on-my-hands-until-it’s-too-late Merrick Garland”

      Oops, he waited 3 1/2 years to start and the Reich wing judges delayed until the next election again.

      … I hate that man.

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      You can’t just deny due process because 1; that sets legal precedence, and 2: it opens it up to people claiming wrong doing. There’s a literal mountain of evidence of their crimes, you’ve got to bring it all out publicly like they did in the Nuremberg Trials.

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        Precedent set. Onlu way ti tear it down is quench it in the fires fron which it was forged.

        If you believe we should have power but not use it on nazis who edplicitly want us dead, how the fuck wre you not functionally their ally?bwcause its damn sure being used on the left. Whose side are you on shitlib?

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    You mean that organization that wrote the game plan for the biggest national security threat/ domestic terrorist organization since the Civil War?

    Not only should they be at the end of the road, their leaders and members should be rounded up and prosecuted for Sedition. Top leadership should be executed.

    The lives and families of these traitors and pedophiles should be fully, publicly destroyed. Future potential dipshits need to see serious consequences for this sort of behavior, or they will only be encouraged to try it again. They have to know that they will die, and their families will be destroyed, if they attempt it.