[green, speaking, looking smug]
Okay, hear me out, here’s the plan…
We go full apathy, basically we let capitalism fully spiral out into fascism. Once it’s done, people will rise up and the system will collapse under its own weight. From its ashes, with our help, a better society will rise. This is how we win.
[we now see that green is tied up in front of a bleak wall, along with a group of other people, being aimed at by a firing squad of characters in fascist uniforms]
[green, smiling] OK?
[blue, pissed] Dude…
Governments that raise up against a totalitarian regime in anger rarely end up in a peaceful and prosperous place if they succeed, see France, Lybia, Rome, the Soviet Union/Russian Empire, China every time, Japan (under the shogunate), Egypt (Arab spring), Sudan, Somalia, Assyria (7th century BCE between 612 and 609 BCE), and so many more.
Literally Ernst Thälmann. He said to let the Nazis take power, and then the whole world will see how incompetent they are, and then his communist party will surely rise up! But there are no prizes for guessing what happened to him in the end!
Wrong guy. Thallman gave a speech in Hamburg in May 1932 about the launch of the Antifa organization criticizing anybody thinking they can benefit from Hitler taking power and warning you can’t play with fascism. Then a book in the 1970s picked out where he’s quoting the idea he’s against and only quoted the quote trying to manufacture this convenient ironic twist where actually communists deserved to die in death camps.
The head of the SPD social democratic party paramilitary wing Reichsbanner gave a speech in February 1933 (right after Hitler took power, right before the Reichstag fire) and did actually say “after Hitler our turn” arguing it was good to let Hitler expand the military because the SPD would get a cool new army when they won the next election.
Capitalists: take notes on what the Nazis did wrong and tiptoe around it
Doesn’t help that the social democrats had murdered the more moderate leaders of the communists (like Rosa Luxembourg) just a few years before that and funded the Freikorps with government funds. How is a small party (KPD) without access to government more accelerationist than the big party in government (SPD) actively funding Nazi death squads to murder communists already a decade before?
Also, the SPD leaders literally flipped its anti-militarist stance overnight when WW1 broke out. Again, who’s the accelerationist, the one protesting against that and being murdered by fascists or the party in government funding said fascists and supporting WW1?
choked on a bone in a pie eating contest, which was weird because it was an apple pie?
The candidate the social democrats wanted won and he’s the guy who appointed Hitler chancellor! There was a three way race between “literally Hitler,” “guy who will put Hitler into a position of power” and “not Hitler” (Thälmann) and somehow libs are still mad that “not Hitler” was on the ballot.
The social democrats were the ones with the brilliant plan of punching left in favor of a “center”-right coalition, and they actually won and got what they wanted and wound up in the camps as a direct result of it!
No prizes for guessing what happens when you trust the bourgeoisie parties to be an ally against fascism.
Who the fuck is downvoting this?
well this is going to make you happy. i just read this comic and was coming here to post it :3
It does, thanks, that’s pretty cool ! 🥰
After WW2 65 million people were dead and 50% of the boys and men in Germany were dead. Everyone loses with fascism
Fully agreed but why the particular focus on the offending nation? You could give similar statistics about, say, Belarus or Poland. To me it’s not morally the same when a Nazi German soldier is killed in combat to when a Belarusian civilian is starved to death in a Nazi concentration camp.
Because I’m stuck in the United States of Israel
So?
So the fate of the turd Reich is historically relevant to the current situation we face.
Oh, sorry, I get it now, thanks for explaining
oh goodie. question that has absolutely no bearing on reality whatsoever: so in Austria and Germany there had to have been people who, before WW2, were crippled. I know war leaves people crippled but i’m curious as to the fate of those who were crippled before the war. No reason whatsoever ignore the cane and wheelchair and cabinet full of glue.
aw who am i kidding they’re gonna turn me into glue
Bad News Aktion T4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
people will rise up
The line in the sand as to what’s acceptable has been redrawn so many times, if the people haven’t risen up by now, they never will. You’re stuck with the rancid orange colostomy bag until he either pops his clogs, or chooses to leave.
Oh, no. People will rise up eventually. It’s just a shame that most people turn out to be olympic athletes in mental gymnastics and delay the realization to the next generation(s).
Nope. Fascism is there to stay for the next decade regardless of what happens to Trump.
Accelerationism is really dumb which is why it’s such a popular strawman.
Does someone have a different opinion? Well, it could be that different people have different ideas about how the world works as well as different priorities. But that’s all complicated and nuanced and forces you to contend with different perspectives. Instead, just assume that everyone has your perspective because it’s just inherently obvious to everyone, but some people are intentionally trying to make things worse because they’re stupid and evil.
Virtually no one is an actual accelerationist.
Yep very few actual believers but if you don’t support their “pragmatic” suggestions that throw billions under the bus they accuse you of this.
The real solution btw is just a better consensus mechanism in our electoral process in the form of STAR Voting.
It is quite literally that simple.
The lack of choice (as explained in Duverger’s Law) is what kills our politics and helps the media portray all political battles as us vs them and not “What shade out of a million shades of gray should this policy be?”.tl;dr - STAR Voting is quite literally a panacea for nearly all the extreme ills that plague our politics - even a large portion of “voting doesn’t matter so I won’t” apathy…because to vote “strategically” under STAR Voting is to just vote honestly and every vote matters. No revolution required - just a better electoral process. I’m happy to answer any questions.
Someone do a version of the comic with this guy’s comment as the text of the first panel, please.
Hah! Well I took the comic to mean that the accelerationist gets exactly what he wanted and pays for it in the end when things go to hell.
Thing is if we implemented what I’m talking about (which is literally just a law about how we vote…we already have legislation that does this…we just amend it) there would be no upheaval.
The electorate would vote more honestly.
Campaigns would become more positive.
News media would become more policy focused.
There would be no firing squad - just a return to normal policy-focused (not party-focused) politics.
It would actually be quite boring.First time?
No revolution required - just a better electoral process. I’m happy to answer any questions.
Why would the ruling capitalist class allow an electoral process that represents the working class against their own interests, if they haven’t allowed this anywhere at any time?
For the same reason they’re happy to burn the only habitable planet humans will ever have: they’re going to play with fire in search of optimal profit, even to their own eventual detriment.
People act like raw, naked, decayed capitalism is a totally stable system where all actors work perfectly together to rationally suppress the proletariat in perpetuity. But it’s not that. Capital has accumulated to the point of a handful of individuals butting heads over all of the earth’s resources.
There’s no longer a cabal of dozens of cartels coordinating in abstract lock step. There’s like 10 dudes that can meet in a room. Applying dialect-materialism to that is using Newtonian physics on a quantum scale.
Petty grudges and irrational emotions take control at that scale. A few of them get the idea that they can eat the others by leveraging the proletariat and all bets are off.
Will it certainly happen? Not necessarily. But more individuals have deposed through creative leveraging of legal mechanisms than those spontaneously pulled from their beds and shot. There’s no reason to not be prepared if the opportunity presents itself.
Every stupid fucking Marxists Leninist piece of shit and dumb-fuck psuedo-Palestine activist garbage fuckwitt who boycotted voting Kamala actively aided Trump, and thus chose the vastly more pro-genocide option
Yes how dare folks not go out an vote for a candidate that would have Genocide 50% of the time. Don’t people know that is smaller than the candidate the genocides 100% of the time
I’m sure the people of Iran, and the Hispanic folks being sent to concentration camps, or anyone who relied on US aid programs are grateful for your extreme shortsightedness and inability to do very basic situational analysis that you couldn’t see the blood puddle under Kamala was smaller than under Trump.
I’m sure they’ll get on their hands and knees to praise you before their little girls’ school is bombed or the ICE agents put their gun in their mouths and pull the trigger.
You’re such a brave warrior/activists and your actions are so amazingly effective at saving lives. /s
Than it’s a good thing I am not arguing some moral superiority. The argument is regardless which candidate won blood of the innocent every day still getting spilled by the machine. It supposedly being smaller doesn’t make it better
Less death and destruction is always a better option. Its a simple matter of the Trolley problem, and if you can’t figure that one out, you got major issues.
I haven’t even jumped into the fact that getting actual progressive and anti-genocide politicians in office went from difficult to nearly impossible because millions of pathetic psuedo-leftists decided they’d rather collapse the US from flawed democracy to fascist shithole with nukes.
And with this trolley problem it is either one track with 100 bodies or a track thatids 99.
I rather spend my time getting all 199 bodies off the tracks thank you very much
I’d rather bury my head in the sand and allow everyone to die due to my inaction because I believe I can break reality itself to change it to how I wish it was. I do t like how reality is so I’m gonna pretend it isn’t the way it is.
FTFY
Except they don’t believe this at all and maybe we should fight so there is no pro genocide option instead of one you assign lesser pro genocide.
Except they don’t believe this at all
I know, they don’t believe in objective reality.
and maybe we should fight so there is no pro genocide option instead of one you assign lesser pro genocide.
- I never assigned Kamala as the lesser of two evils nor the less damaging and less genocidal. That was/is simple reality, and more genocide and atrocities are now happening in part due to these people’s inaction. The blood is partially on their hands too
- You’re entirely missing the point. The choice was either voting Kamala or aiding Trump with inaction, thus causing far more death and suffering. There wasn’t an alternative. If there was, I would have also chosen it. We aren’t free from reality just because its grim and horrible.
- We can fight against genocide while also not surrendering to fascism. Hence the point of the comic.
Accelerationist here. I think it’s more of a coping mechanism. I basically support all protestors and people motivated to make change, regardless of which side they’re on.
I genuinely don’t get this stance - are you as okay with far right marches as pro-worker strikes and pickets?
It’s not that I treat them equally, but I’m happy to see people fighting for change, if that makes sense
Okay, but capitalism dystopia is not going to look like that. In real capitalism, that wall will be covered in advertisements and motivation posters.
Me and who 😳
get shot rearing an ad for Amazon™ Bezz-box® rented apartments on Mars.
No need to market to you when they simply extract your labour and rent and you buy the swill that is cheapest to you.
Advertisers will never go obsolete. They are too good at advertising themselves.
Marketing is more than just selling products, it is a form of social manipulation and conditioning in the constant bombardment of information. It keeps the people not only buying your products but conditioning them to think that they need your products in the first place.
Almost nobody is arguing this maybe i should give you the benefit of the doubt but I just can’t people hating your “nicer” imperialist genocidal capitalists don’t believe this.
Please use punctuation.
This isn’t even the stupidest point of accelerationism. That’s the assumption that your personal utopia will emerge from the ashes, instead of something much worse.
The simple fact of the matter is that there is no path to “perfect” which doesn’t track through an infinite amount of “better” first.
Reminds me of this meme:
Or this one:
Yeah the take plays against their point and into the hands of fascists. A common retort from “capitalists” goes “well why doesn’t your economic system compete on the free market? If it’s so good it will rise to the top.” You believing your ideology will defacto rise from a blank slate after society collapses lends credence to that argument. (Which is flawed in so many ways)
This isn’t even the stupidest point of accelerationism
Agreed, but like, there are no actual accelerationists, it’s mostly a strawman used to misrepresent people who are more radical. Sure, there may be a few random accelerationists around, but there’s no serious political movement anywhere with accelerationism in their policy because it is a very bad idea.
“no serious political movement” my dude, statesian republicans are maybe not explicit
statesians[edit woah oaky maybe too many drugs] accelerationists but like, i’m gonna lose teeth because of them.and don’t say they aren’t serious because just because they’re dipshits, they’re still a major political party and killing people. that’s pretty damn serious.
But statesian republicans don’t advocate for the end of capitalism and an implosion of the country. They’re disgusting, but they’re not accelerationists, they defend hard policy to defend the status quo.
they’re more advocating for destruction of everything because some of them believe they have to destroy the world before their god will return
This is exactly the problem. “Supporting policies that make things worse for the average person” is not the same thing as “accelerationism.” Some people are just wrong, or they have different motivations (like making them and their friends rich). If accelerationism just means making things worse, then everyone is an accelerationist to everyone who disagrees with them, it loses any real meaning.
There may be a handful of actual accelerationists in the party, but they’re mostly driven by material interests and a whole bunch of brainworms, not by some accelerationist strategy.
I don’t think utopias are a bad idea in general, but if they somehow are only reachable by collapsing most of the current system before any groundwork can even be attempted… a form that can be developed in parallel and take over at some point makes much more sense.
Think about the transition and hopefully it doesn’t require nuclear war.
Obviously, we shouldn’t need to detail “villains bad” in media, but with so many of them having “from the ashes” plans, I’d like to see more heroes deconstructing their approach like this.
This but socialism
What accerationists don’t realise is that the average liberal already knows the US is fascist and evil billionaires control everything. That average liberal wants change. But they aren’t doing anything, because they’re thinking “surely when it gets REALLY bad, people will rise up”. Just like the accelerationists. Accelerationists and liberals are the same group.
average liberal already knows the US is fascist
No. They always think the current moment is the exception and everything way very respectable and dignified historically.
That’s why you’ve got liberals venerating Reagan, Clinton, and Bush, having completely whitewashed the horror of those presidencial eras from their minds.
Nobody where I live has any respect left for the USA, except for fascists. Peter Dutton tried following the American model and he lost his seat. We hate your country.
Australia is American Plus.
Your county is doing everything the US does on steroids. It’s just too small for anyone outside the South Pacific to notice.
Albanese and Trump signed a minerals deal just last October, ffs.
I don’t think you can find a liberal who thinks the Reagan or Bush presidencies were anything but bad.
I don’t think people get that this difference makes a difference. As a millennial going through college during the GW Bush years, there was at least a Republican party that cared about America, cared about non political government institutions and the service those members participate in, etc. Since the tea party that shit changed. And I don’t think it’s hard to believe Mitt Romney actually cares about this country and means what he says on this thing. I feel disgusted defending Romney, but I kind of miss it when it was guys like Romney were the political opponents in power and not these MAGA folks hellbent on destroying democracy and politicizing the institutions critical to America.
I just found 96 liberals who fit that description.
Saying “hey they might have cared a bit about institutions compared to maga” is not venerating.
venerate /vĕn′ə-rāt″/
To regard with deep respect or reverence. synonym: revere. Similar: revere
Not the same meaning at all. Not even close.
So no you didn’t find 96 people that fit that description.
When you mingle meanings like that, I’m just gonna leave it at that.
“Venerate” may be an exaggeration, but the rest of it, thinking everything was “respectable and dignified” and “completely whitewashing the horrors from their minds” fits that to a T.
You found 96 people who upvoted the comment saying Trump is worse than bush was and that Mitt Romney would be better than Trump is.
There’s nothing there saying Bush or Reagan were good.
a Republican party that cared about America
I feel disgusted defending Romney, but I kind of miss it when it was guys like Romney were the political opponents in power and not these MAGA folks hellbent on destroying democracy and politicizing the institutions critical to America.
Feel disgusted defending is still defending.
By comparison they were great, at least.
“Did we ever think we would see the day when we would say, ‘Please bring back George W. Bush’?” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said during an interview with Evan Smith last week. “We really did work together.”
I’d rather get shot in the arm instead of the head but that doesn’t mean I think getting shot in the arm is good.
That is pure nonsense.
You aren’t going to find liberals venerating Reagan, Bush, and Clinton because those people only exist in your mind. They don’t exist in reality.
You aren’t going to find liberals venerating Reagan, Bush, and Clinton
How Democrats Came to Feel Nostalgic for George W. Bush
“Did we ever think we would see the day when we would say, ‘Please bring back George W. Bush’?” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said during an interview with Evan Smith last week. “We really did work together.”
Former Democratic Representative Katie Hill tweeted, “In a million years I never thought I’d be crying watching this, thinking how much better we’d all feel if Bush were president today. Wtf.”
Saying “we worked together” isn’t venerating JFC.
venerate /vĕn′ə-rāt″/
To regard with deep respect or reverence. synonym: revere. Similar: revere
Not even close to the same thing.
- That isn’t the same thing.
- Democrat does not equal liberal.
Do you have anything intellectually HONEST to add to the conversation, or are you done with this sophomoric attempt at propaganda?
Democrat does not equal liberal.
Oh, you scratched yours, didn’t you?
I think they’re thinking “shit I can barely survive and have two jobs and I don’t want my kids to starve and I’m taking care of my elderly parents. I can’t go riot or my whole family will suffer.”
That too. Making things worse doesn’t help the revolution. Making things better helps it. Now that Trump’s in charge, it’s only gotten harder to use direct action and civil disobedience.
No. Many far left groups we’re literally saying the same shit in the comic.
That makes them liberals. My purity test for leftism is whether you’re actually putting in effort to make the world a better place. Millions fail!
It’s amazing how many things are called liberalism, centrism, or leftism on the fediverse. It reminds me of the way socialism and communism are spoke about in far right groups.
Definitions change to meet the needs of their point. Too many people need a better education and a history lesson.
