PS. This is not a critique to Debian-based distros. And i’m not suggesting you to skip Ubintu for Arch either. Arch is a bit advanced and not too easy to new users, so that won’t do for some people…

… just install Linux Mint instead.

  • Strider@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Are we really talking about 500mb nowadays?

    I remember easily running Debian minimal with 128mb

  • Shayeta@feddit.orgEnglish
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    9 days ago

    I use Arch with KDE and a bunch of always open applications. At rest it uses 8GB. I paid for the whole 64GB kit, and I’m going to use the full 64GB.

    • craftrabbit@lemmy.zip
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      9 days ago

      Yeah that’s me, but I started on Ubuntu. Arch is awesome, but Fedora does most of the same things and it’s so much easier to maintain an installation of

    • jimmux@programming.dev
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      9 days ago

      That’s me, if settling on an atomic Fedora (Bluefin DX) counts.

      It’s the most painless setup I’ve used, and everything I need to be productive is ready to go. Tweaking everything doesn’t have the appeal it used to.

      • ramasses@social.ozymandias.clubEnglish
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        9 days ago

        As someone who uses arch, its just stability. Arch is great for a hobby, if you want to do work, use fedora. Its so much simpler. That being said, I love arch because of the tinkering, and that lack of tinkering is why I switched off fedora.

          • dreamkeeper@literature.cafe
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            8 days ago

            Fedora is an odd choice if you’re looking for stability. It’s a rolling distro. Some rolling distros are fairly stable but fedora updates constantly broke my shit.

            Debian or opensuse leap are where it’s at for pure stability. Or any other LTS distro, really

        • TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org
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          9 days ago

          I “do work” just fine on Arch but maybe I’ve just gotten used to the quirks and the DIY aspect of it. None of it is an obstacle to productivity anymore.

            • TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org
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              9 days ago

              That’s what I’m trying to say though, I’m at the point to where it’s not a waste of time for me because I know immediately what to do if something goes wrong or I need to make some sort of config change or install/remove software. I’m no longer “tinkering” with it, I’m using it. It’s just as fast for me as it is for someone on a more “user friendly” OS.

              In other words, I have scaled most of the learning curve cliff.

              • Art3mis@lemmy.world
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                8 days ago

                Im getting there. Im finally to a point that i can work things out with the wiki and some forums instead getting help from my roommate. She doesnt mind, she loves computers a lot. But its nice to feel self sufficient and like im learning

      • FlexibleToast@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 days ago

        When you want to do work on the OS instead of working on the OS. Arch was a fun learning experience but eventually an nvidia driver or something shit the bed on me and I never went back. Outsource the unit testing to others. Fedora still has very new packages and you can still roll from release to release. Even better if you’re using one of the Fedora Atomic flavors.

        • wltr@discuss.tchncs.de
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          8 days ago

          I was waiting for Syncthing 2 for like half a year. It’s yesterday when I’ve got it. All my other Arch machines have it for a very long time.

          • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            8 days ago

            Could always just use anything like that in distrobox.

            Just saying because I too want stuff to just work and fedora does but still gives you access to new stuff like that in other ways.

        • hakase@lemmy.zip
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          8 days ago

          I’ve been really curious to try LMDE, but I’ve got everything working exactly like I want it to in regular Mint and don’t want to screw it up.

          • W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            8 days ago

            Stick with what’s working :-)

            I loaded LMDE on a different laptop to see what it was like and there’s not a giant difference so far.

        • drcobaltjedi@programming.dev
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          9 days ago

          Ibwish more linux people had this mentality of “if its not broke don’t fix it”. After years of floating around different distros, I just want something that works, is stable, and the OOTB is easy and works. So I’ve just gone back to mint debian edition. Idc, I don’t have time to be tinkering with my computer

  • Jhex@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    I know this is just a meme but has Ubuntu fallen that bad?

    Ubuntu did welcomed me to the Linux fam 16 years ago or so, so I am grateful but I have not used it for at least 12 years by now

    • 87Six@lemmy.zip
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      9 days ago

      Been using it at work for LAMP stack dev for like 3 years and it never gave me issues.

      The only trouble I have with it, is that my company bought an arrow lake lenovo thinkbook and all the firmware is proprietary or too new… My camera doesn’t work well, I get crashrs, graphics glitches… But that is on Lenovo and my company not on Ubuntu afaik.

  • Crt_static@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    Arch gives me flashbacks to compiling kernels on really old salvaged hardware. Mint is good enough these days

    • MrShankles@reddthat.com
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      8 days ago

      “Hey look, my old af computer works again. Sweet”

      That’s about how I see it. I’ve used other distros for niche projects (like un-bricking my OG Xbox with a 20 year old desktop, cause I fucked up the mod). But I use Mint for my daily computer, cause I’m not much of a software tinkerer… and my wife can use it without issues as well. Fuck, I do love Linux for all the hardware it’s helped me save, regardless of distro

        • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.orgEnglish
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          9 days ago

          I was pointing out that swap space, sometimes known as virtual RAM, requires more careful management because of bandwidth and write cycle limitations (for example, it does not make sense to cache files there if they exist on the same physical medium) so full use of space on it is a lower priority.

    • palordrolap@fedia.io
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      9 days ago

      I dunno. There are some of us who run Mint not because we don’t know what we’re doing but because we do* and we don’t want to have to deal with any more nonsense than we absolutely have to.

      From that small cohort, there are those of us who’ll frown when all we have open is a few browser tabs and the system’s using 8GB of RAM, twice the “recommended” spec. On startup with nothing running it’s over 1GB.

      It’s hard not to see it as wasteful when you’re old enough to remember perfectly good machines running on single-digit megabytes. **

      * Or at least, think we do.

      ** Yes, things are much more complex these days. But are they really a thousand times more complex?

      • cockmushroom@reddthat.com
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        9 days ago

        Consider trying void. If you can live without system d, it’s quite comfy though still low on ram usage. Also, the package repos ship closer-to-latest software. Mostly you’ll get all the way there on release day with just a few relatively niche things here or there that you’ll have to wait a bit for; ime, go’s compiler is a common example; after a very annoying, though admittedly forgotten by me, bug was introduced a couple of years ago we usually only get new versions after the first bug fix has come out. Another is skim, the fzf alternative but that’s technically not seen a new version since the auto-selecting-empty-lines bug was fixed.

        • slemptastrophe@piefed.socialEnglish
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          8 days ago

          I want to switch to void so bad. It’s just that my machine is a laptop that I carry around with me all the time. I don’t feel safe doing that without encrypting it, and all I’ve gotten out of attempting to manually configure LUKS is hours of wasted time.

          edit: typos. Stupid phone keyboard.

  • festus@lemmy.caEnglish
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    9 days ago

    As an Arch user I hate these memes. Guys, the only difference between distros is effectively the versions of packages you’re getting, and what the defaults packages and configs are. In Ubuntu you are completely free to have a very minimal i3 setup (I did for several years!) while in Arch you can use some bloated Gnome UI. This “Arch is fast and Ubuntu is slow” really isn’t true if you conpare Arch-Gnome vs Ubuntu-Gnome, or Arch-i3 vs Ubuntu-i3.

    • M137@lemmy.today
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      8 days ago

      I have to use Ubuntu (22.04 specifically) because I’m stuck with a 15yo laptop that can’t handle much at all so I game via Shadow which only supports that Ubuntu version… it sucks and it’s dumb but it’s the best option. It’s a constant fight against making it not auto update and run things automatically. If I have Shadow running and anything else becomes active the laptop goes into full jet engine mode and I have to pause the game or whatever I’m doing on the Shadow client, and often close it completely, or else it all crawls to a complete stop. It seems no matter what I do it refuses to stop qutomatically checking for updates whenever it feels like it via the several apps used to do so (software updater, snap store etc.). It does this a few times a day, it’s so fucking annoying but nothing I’ve tried fully works. I dream of getting to use Linux Mint, Arch and a few other distros, but so far it doesn’t seem like Shadow will expand their Linux support.

    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      really isn’t true if you conpare Arch-Gnome vs Ubuntu-Gnome,

      So what I’m hearing is “Fuck Gnome”?

      This shitpost was bought to you by the KDE/XFCE gang collab

        • Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          IDK if it’s bloated or not, I’m just capitalising on the opportunity to shit on Gnome because I dislike its design choices.

          I mean no ill will to the devs or the users of gnome. It’s a bit of banter

        • festus@lemmy.caEnglish
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          8 days ago

          Compared to i3 it is, but I admit that’s not a fair comparison as i3 is going for a very specific style that is cheap to implement.

      • DoubleDongle@lemmy.world
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        8 days ago

        Be cautious about fucking gnomes. Most of them do know a spell that will make it fit, but it doesn’t always wear off.

    • klankin@piefed.caEnglish
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      8 days ago

      The only substance I can see to it is when do you draw the line from a modified Debian (or Ubuntu) setup to a “new” distro?

      If you start with an Ubuntu image its technically possible to ship of Theseus it right into an Arch image, but you could argue the default config of both is best representative of the actual distro maintainers goal (even if irrelevant to power users).

      (Saying this all as a NixOS user with a system that hardly even looks like Linux sometimes so maybe I’m a bit biased on how blurry all the lines are lmao)

    • ekZepp@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      9 days ago

      Arch is like your psychotic ex. Sex is great, but one day, you wake up because she’s burning the sheets of your bed while you’re still inside.

      • Sanctus@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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        9 days ago

        I’ve had Arch on a laptop for like 4 years now, its also my main gaming rig. The only issue I ever had was my own fault, I didnt put enough memory on the system partition (and just partitioning a terminal use-case device at all). I’m really interested in what’s happened to others cause I have yet to experience it lol

        • wltr@discuss.tchncs.de
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          8 days ago

          Like 7 years with desktop Arch and some more with server Arch, I’m with you. RAID-0 broke once, so I needed to assemble it manually, then update, then everything worked back again. Apart from that, cannot remember a thing.