Would be better if Signal hadn’t removed fucking SMS from their app
Completely irrelevant since this is obviously Apple users who never had this feature in the first place.
I get where your mom is coming from, but if the 92 year old gamgams all over the rest of the world can use WhatsApp, your gamgam can use Signal with the right direction and patience. People don’t give enough credit to the elderly. They’re very capable, but just might need a little extra help to get there.
Logically someone had to set them up on WhatsApp. People of that age are the ones who struggle to understand that you have to connect your computer to the internet to use the browser, that you have to click double click the big blue E, that you have to turn the computer on before you can use it. Grandma just needs some tech support help
Just stick to XMPP for encrypted coms. It’s the original WhatsApp ( same Protocol before it was centralised) and owned by world gov.
You can run your own server too. You may even transfer and generate phone numbers paid with Monero on some clients.
AMA
WhatsApp originally used a modified version of XMPP, but not the standard protocol. When Facebook acquired WhatsApp, they replaced XMPP with the open source Signal Protocol for end-to-end encryption (E2EE), the golden privacy standard.
I’m with granny here.
I think that’s the joke 🤣
Unless they are going to talk about nuclear cooked turkeys, he could just set up a burner VM and communicate through that and a vpn. That’s what I do when going to sketchy sites.
luckily I got my mom on signal for about 3 years now
Can’t fault their logic tbf
Yeah, gotta keep the government from listening in on the Thanksgiving plans. 🙄
Exactly. I just know they’re going to use my love of turkey against me somehow.
How else will I hide that I fucked the turkey and that’s what the special gravy is gam gam?
It isn’t the government. It is your employer using third party info to get out of paying you unemployment because you were fired for “cause” they invented and backed up with statements you made in a private chat.
When has that happened. And if it has was it a phone with company management software on it.
Wife and kids had no problem; they hate people listening to their chats. A couple of slightly paranoid friends came along.
You want to sell it? Tell them all those creepy ads that know too much about them are from Apple/Android chat apps that can listen.
My poor family has to reach me on Briar.
How about everyone text and CALL Gam Gam.
Granny did the risk assessment and decided that ease of use and low-maintenance is more important than security when it comes to everyday family matters.
Not everyone ends in jail when they fuck up their opsec. Granny doesn’t run an online cocaine business.
Signal is hardly difficult to use tho. It’s just another messaging app
Granny is smart enough to get grandson to be doing the leg work and never share a signal chat with him.
Ease of use and low maintenance just means inertia. I remember back when people wrote Tech articles saying that Windows XP was intuitive as an argument against Linux but it turns out that intuitive only ever meant it works exactly like Windows xp. Then people got smartphones and using a second type of computer interface turned out to be no big deal. And now Linux market share is growing rapidly, something we were told was never going to happen because of all sorts of reasons that apparently don’t apply.
Tbf linux has gone a long way to remove lot of the inertia. Also, with LLMs, its so much easier to use and learn Linux. Instead of chasing a problem for an hour on old forums you can get direct explanation and an answer in a minute.
Granny doesn’t run an online cocaine business.
… or does she ?
She actually does, but cares about opsec there, so word hasn’t gotten out that it’s her.
My whole family is on signal. How did I get them there? I didn’t. Didn’t even talk about it. They just popped up, one by one, over the years. Unfortunately we don’t celebrate thanksgiving :(
You are so lucky.
Never too late for a new tradition!
I was able to get my family to move to signal but that was because they were already on WhatsApp.
This is a shitpost but some people are taking it a bit too seriously, a family group chat doesn’t have to risk profile to require a level of “OpSec” that would require everyone to be on e2ee messaging. Don’t isolate yourself from your family over MMS group chat messages, maybe just don’t share your IBS flare ups in it if you are that concerned.
Trust me, with my incest fetish, getting the family to adopt even the most minimal OPSEC was both laborious AND crucial.
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Yes, you do. Because we live in an era where Uber driver or nurse pay is based on surveillance: the more desperate they are, the lower the payment offered for the trip or the shift. Because we’re facing surveillance pricing also, where surveillance is going to compute how much you’re ready or desperate to pay for something, regardless its cost, and that might be higher than your reighbour’s result. Because we live in an era where abortion is banned in multiple places and who know what else will be later, after one of your relative will have told you what will become a confession?
So yes, you do give a damn, and no you don’t talk over corporate surveillance networks as much as you can avoid them.
My grandparents refused to get ANY cell phone for the longest time, and then just a Breaking Bag flip phone after smart phones already came out. Don’t know if they’re still alive as I lost contact with them as my dad was somehow a bigger narcissist than his mother yet couldn’t beat her at her own game, so I lost my family, obviously. Now my dad bitches about AI and posts about the weather six days a week on Facebook. He’s takes the sabbath off of the excruciating social media demands of his two followers, me and my other profile when I was a woman for a few years for counterintelligence purposes. I like AI as a research tool, but I would never date one. I guess I’m a prejudiced pedophile. They don’t even make AI’s for me! But my dad has like an aneurism if you suggest that he’s going to regret blocking me from his life when we get to Heaven and I introduce my mother to that eighteen year old he jumped on two months after she died. But you know about the restaurant at the end of the universe and how I will not be locked in there with you, but y’all are going to be locked in there with me! Hang on, my predictive text just told me to masturbate again. Sigh…I hate working with the CIA…shitty dental…
I was talking about something similar the other day, about people who “don’t read sms”, and I absolutely don’t get it. This (Gam Gam) is the same: how the fuck do you manage to use Whatsapp, or any other messaging app, and not another? They’re essentially the same! Apart from not having the old chat history, there’s no difference! It’s just mental laziness, IMO.
except they’re not the same. at all. one comes with the phone she got from the walmart with a prepaid card and she’s not even really logged into it.
You’re speaking like someone who doesn’t have elderly relatives…
There’s dementia and then there’s a lifetime of intellectual laziness and incuriousness. My great grandfather and his brother lived into their 90s and coped with the changing world just fine. My grandparents are getting up there and they’re still sharp-witted and active and aren’t afraid of new technology. Many people aren’t lucky and lose their faculties through no fault of their own but complacency is like giving up on your future.
Okay, how does this explain the Boomers and up who seem to only be capable of using Facebook?
Like, if it’s about adaptation, they had email and SMS long before Meta started their “clean” version of MySpace that has gotten so much worse than what it replaced.
I’m stuck with a yearly Christmas card from a lot of older relatives because they can’t manage to step back an use services they did use before the big tech algorithmic fuckery took over.
They sunk their time and effort into something that offered intuitive ease of use and photos they wanted beyond occasional messages. To just sit on an iPad and tap it like a rat hitting the feeder bar in a laboratory takes very little additional effort to learn. Scroll until you dopamine centers light up, tap for more, tap all red notifications. It’s easier than using email or WhatsApp or Signal because they’re using it like a steam of consciousness.
If you ask Granny on FB to fine a direct message from a month ago, it’s possible that’s too challenging a task because it’s not right there.
