Zionism does not belong to Judaism
Bloody hell!
OP is SO STUPID! NONE of these Cartoons showed someone PROTECTING Children from Bombs or PUSHING away Dogs that are RAPING Children! THOSE would be Anti Semetic!
-The BBC and Keir Starmer!
Surprised they haven’t drawn him with a rat’s tail at this point.
No it’s check notes anyone who critiques a nation on genocide. At which point we will lump all members of their prominent religion into the same bucket because that’s equality.
Who is the “we” in there?
Whatever someone’s politics are, these caricatures are gross and way over the line. Criticism doesn’t need to lean on antisemitic imagery.
Is the antisemitism in the room with us right now?
The one on the top left doesn’t even look like him.
I have no idea who this is so I looked him up, none of them look like him. He’s a totally normal looking guy? I’m American so I think he could use braces but I’m culturally obsessed with teeth, other than that he looks like any other white guy I’d see on the street… I always feel like going out of your way to focus on someone’s looks just makes you look weak, like if all you have is what the person looks like you’re really not saying anything of value
Here we see those whose ancestors were not cooked in an oven in living memory explaining how this isn’t antisemitic, and how maybe people are too sensitive. Thanks for the perspective.
What the actual fuck. Nevermind the antisemitism for a second, why are they even bashing politicians based on appearance in the first place? British media is unhinged.
What’s wrong with it? Caricatured politicians practically every day for centuries since we’ve had a press, this is bad now?
You’re not allowed to criticize anyone Jewish without a shitload of idiots coming out to pretend you’re a Nazi for it.
Criticize away, just don’t use blatantly racist caricatures in doing so.
Historical context. Nazis have been using this particular Jewish stereotype for decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Merchant
Just always been like that, spitting image was an institution.
@mirshafie @insubstantialpageant they really don’t want the Greens to have any influence at all!
Well yeah they’re trying to implement policies which will ensure to continue existence of the species beyond the next generation. What an awful prospect.
It’s a standard thing they do to anybody vaguely left wing.
If your election promise isn’t to go visit all the billionaire media owners and personally suck them off, you’re not going anywhere in the UK.
Yeah if you published something like that in Sweden you’d get pitchforks shoved up your ass.
Right. I don’t know how indicative of the climate in the uk this is, but with this and the comments, I’m freaking out a little bit rn.
I’m amazed their officers haven’t been fire bombed yet. If their hacker journalists had an ounce of talent they would be humiliated working there.
Like Margaret Thatcher! That old commie
But Zionists only cry when you make fun of a jea
Politicians are horrible twats. No idea what the ratio is, or how it could be proven, but I would imagine that the amount of “good” politicians is a very very low number. I mean politicians that actually have the best interests of the public at heart, or in mind, when they’re making decisions. The idea of voting for people to make decisions for me is nuts. Any outrage about a caricature is crazy.
If you don’t know what the conversation is about you don’t have to contribute. It’s not a requirement you know.
I have my criticisms of the greens but not with him in particular
I am fully aware of what the conversation is about.
Let me break it down for you.
Caricatures are drawn of a politician.
Somebody claims that because said politician is Jewish and has a big nose in the caricatures that they are antisemitic.
Likens the caricatures to pro-Palestine marches when they are, and should be, independent of one another.
I would suggest that Keir Starmers connections to Israel, and influence by the Jewish people close to him, may lay closer to the reason that his government have cracked down so hard on the Pro-Palestine movements.
They are a total contradiction in themselves, which has been proven time and time again. Which is something I get is being attempted with this/these examples.
But they are not like for like. Nowhere in the cartoons is the politician calling for death to Palestinians or even pro-Israel (so cannot be accused of being antisemitic) under Starmers laws.
But equally if the politician was calling for that, he likely wouldn’t be accused of it either under Starmers Britain.
Starmers Britain is one where the “only” antisemitic people can be those that will use satire, humour or criticism of the Jewish people, but not necessarily Semite people. That includes calling out Genocide or just publicly supporting aid for the people being slaughtered.
One example is in this video - A Jewish community crowd around a news crew, telling a Semite journalist that he should “go home” and that he is not welcome on their streets, calling him a Donkey and a Dog. Nothing happened to any of them.
The law is very lob sided on this ‘law’ under Starmer. His version of antisemitism that he “will not tolerate in any form” is only really in favour of some Semite people, but definitely not all, and not only does he tolerate it, he often ignores it, in many of its forms.
It seems Jewish people cannot be antisemitic, but other Semite people can be.
It’s called caricature, and it’s been a central part of British political cartoons since the 18th Century. Politicians have been known to buy the originals to hang on their walls.
There have also been caricatures of Jews that were clearly antisemitic in intent, like some of the ones of Polansky.
Especially the top right one depicted here is just extremely blatantly antisemitic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Merchant
We also have political caricatures. They look like this.
Meanwhile Orange Man:
That guy is hideous through and through
So it’s ok to mock someone based on appearance as long as they’re not jew
Because when they talk about “anti-semitism” they are actually talking about anti-ZIONISM. Since they are a vassal state of USrael.
A reminder that israel is a project planned and launched largely by british christians to scapegoat jews for western exploitation and militarism against muslim states in the middle east. The west will pretend to support judaism only so long as the appearance can be abused as a means of domination.
For my fellow americans in the room, consider how the timing of the rise of evangelicalism - A christian doomsday sect obsessed with jewish control of palestine - As a state religion here in all but name only, coincides roughly with the US taking up the baton from the british as top paypig for israel, coincides roughly with our current acceptance of european-descended jews into white privilege.
Is the fear of being labeled antisemite that strong? Yes Christians Zionists has big influence but the people and group to directly ethnically cleansing Palestinian during the nekba was not Christians . Ben Gurion, the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi was not Christians. Zionist are jewish and Christian supermasist similar to ISIS are Islamic supremacists .
The Israeli group B’Tselem also refer to the israeli regime as Jewish supremacy
That there are a shitload of zionist jews out there who support the israel project is I’d say a basic fact that goes without saying. Highlighting how these racist cartoons slot right into the hypocritical history of that project is not an apologetic mea culpa toward them, it’s actually the sort of ideas that would get me labeled antisemitic by both them or your average hasbarist.
I’m actually a bit surprised how unpopular my above comment seems to be, is the british public not educated about the history of the balfour declaration? Or are they still so uncomfortable confronting how their own racisms and biases are a significant facet in fueling that project that, even in an antizionist space discussing racist charicatures of an antizionist, they prefer to assume that examinations of that facet are apology on behalf of zionist jews?
The Belfour declaration happened because of the Jewish Zionist and first president of Israel Chaim Weizmann to begin with. The British empire is complicit in the colonization but those who did the ethnic cleansing was mostly Jewish Zionists financed by other Jewish Zionists . And the be clear those Zionist jews do not represent jews and Judaism as a while. I really doubt that the colonization project would have been stopped if the Belfour declaration did not happen
Correct and Balfour, the man who penned the document, was a conservative christian. And the declaration was ratified and backed by the almost entirely christian parliament. That jews are predominantly responsible for being the dogs who carry out western atrocities in israel is a given. That’s a basic fact. Why can’t you acknowledge the christian colonialist component of zionism without falling back on making that basic fact the centerpiece of your reply? It’s really weird. I’m not asking you personally yo take responsibility for this. I’m just asking us all to acknowledge that this is no longer really a “jewish” project. It’s racist nation state domination with a jewish skin.
Why can’t you acknowledge the christian colonialist component of zionism
But I do.
That jews are predominantly responsible for being the dogs who carry out western atrocities in israel is a given.
The zionist jews and zionist christians had alluance based on having a common target. There is no master/dog relstion here
this is no longer really a “jewish” project
It was always a colonial project backed by other colonial powers and different interests. No wonder those imperialist power quickly recognized an illigitimate state
Sorry, I think I was arguing a bit past you earlier, on closer examination I think we’re mostly on the same page. I’m just used to being surprised by the difference in reactions to self-criticism between US and UK commenters so I was probably a bit too on guard! Your clarifications here make it all make sense.
Damn this is 100% antisemititic coded.
It’s pattern recognition. People see the news and extrapolate from what they see Israel do to all Jews.
Anyone who claims these are anti-semitic is obviously caricaturophobic, and possibly a cartoonophobe in addition.
I’ve seen cartoons of King Charles that put these to shame. The more grotesque, the better, in my book… one of my favorite such artists is Ralph Steadman.
Anyway, this is another example of constant bullshit artists have to put up with, they are often treated with contempt. I’m glad at least a few papers are still employing cartoonists, soon it will all be gone and we’ll be left with USA-Weekly-style generic trash.
Are you a Nazi or just clueless? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Merchant
It’s just a cartoon. Why is it antiseptic?
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