In both instances, you’re the moral agent who gets to decide. And it’s not our advantage in intelligence or wisdom, it’s our advantage in mass.
Morals have power dynamics, CMM.
Recently, my sister wanted to kill a caterpillar and I said that when she sees a butterfly, she looks in awe, but when she sees a caterpillar, she wants to kill it, and that it explains a lot about our world. It was enough to save the poor hungry caterpillar
I will 100% toss the green ones to the neighbour’s chickens. They fuck up my cabbages leaving just the veins and little poop dots then fly away as detestable white moths to fuck up everyone else’s shit. Sometimes I borrow a couple chickens and just let them go find all the yummy buggies themselves. They are so silly and make a fun show out of decimating my enemies.
Diocletian, is that you? The Empire needs you!
I understood this reference. Thanks @pugjesus@lemmy.world!
He moved. @PugJesus@piefed.social or @PugJesus@kbin.social is the new username.
Despite the change in scenery, he’s still one of the Lemmy GOATs 🐐🐐🐐
Kbin is my original, but Kbin went down years ago, before I even moved to Lemmy.world!
Don’t the borrowed chickens eat your plants as well? Along with everything in their path, and even you, if they were big enough?
I don’t leave them unattended. I let them do whatever they want with anything already destroyed, and they seem to have fun if I chase them around to distract them from other stuff seeing as they come to poke me then run away when I stop following them.
If mine are any indication, they’ll go hunting for bugs before they start scratching at stuff or eating plants. Even when I give mine pulled weeds the first thing they do is look for bugs on them. Those are the real prize.
They have an amazing eye for slight movement, and are quite good little hunters (they really like catching mice as well). If you don’t give them time to destroy everything, and keep your eyes on them.
As a bonus they poop while they eradicate, and they do some mild scratching of the surface which is good for the soil.
Yeah fuck native fauna! Gotta protect our imported flora and don’t even think of using a greenhouse to keep the insects out.
I’ve been told they are an invasive species but I’m no bug researcher.
I think you can find out what a bug researcher is called if you ask an etymologist
Roaches infest your home and spread diseases. Butterflies live outside and spread pollen.
I hate pollen
Dlaczego wszyscy nienawidzą pyłki, pytam się do kurwy nędzy?
Because they’re allergic presumably
He said pollen not poland
I’m literally dying
Google translate for the Polish comment:
Why does everyone hate pollen, I ask myself for fuck’s sake?
Dude was just having some fun with similar sounding words
kurwa
well, sounds like a personal problem
You hate pollen from plants that evolved to spread it without the help of butterflies and other insects. These plants’ pollen doesn’t float around causing allergies.
More like you are ingesting their house
I don’t think I could eat a whole house.
I’ll acknowledge I made a typo, means to say invading, but I’ll have to live with my mistakes
that’s quitter talk
so … I don’t crush either. I’m just not into it and I think they all have the right to have a fair go. I’m pretty sure they have enough to deal with without me fucking up their shit.
Ah, welcome Asmongold
Cockroaches can carry cholera, leprosy, and various strains of salmonella causing salmonellosis, typhoid and paratyphoid fevers, and deposit them all over your kitchen and food surfaces
Also they will absolutely crawl all over you in your sleep, and they may very possibly fly right at you (has happened to me and someone I know)
the pests will destroy homes, and spread diseases. butteflys are much more benign.
A lot of butterflies eat shit. Like literally, I’m not just hurling baseless insults.
Cool. I’d rather they do that over eating and contaminating my pantry.
cockroaches don’t exist because trash exists. they have existed since before humans.
so have bacteria but that doesn’t make them entirely benign when introduced to humans
There are a lot of things that we as an animal like or don’t like due to evolutionary benefits.
For example we don’t like the smell of excrement because those that didn’t, stayed further away from it and caught less diseases.
Another good example is snake and spider phobias, those innately scared of venomous creatures survived more often than those that enjoyed their company.I’m 100% that roaches (and relatives) fall into this category as well. We find them slightly disgusting because those that did, killed them and lived with less diseases than those that thought that they were cute.
Butterflies on the other hand posed no threat to us and remind us of flowers that were evolutionarily important to us (interest in agriculture).
Killing cockroaches is self defence. Killing butterflies is murder.
Butterflies on the other hand posed no threat to us and remind us of flowers that were evolutionarily important to us (interest in agriculture).
Butterflies are more associated with death, than pretty things in the east.
I avoid killing insects and other small critters but you’re right, I only kill insects that carry diseases like cockroaches and mosquitoes because they carry diseases.
I only do if they are inside. If they are outside they are just part of the food chain.
house spiders can survive. they can food chain the inside bugs for me.
Crushing cockroaches is a great way to spread its eggs and have more cockroaches in the future. Spray them with soapy water instead.
Call me a gated, but I consider anyone who kills any bug, arachnid, insect, whatever, a hero. Absolutely HATE them all, no matter how vital they are!
One day you will accidentally step outside this dimension, and find a god, that God will see you the way you see wee critters and act accordingly.
want to be gently pick up by a giant interdimensional paper and cup or want to ve mercilessly squashed?
Preach.
It’d be hypocritical for me to say gently picked up given my track record with bugs, but my brain is wired to hate them because of my primal fear of them taking charge.
I wouldn’t mind changing that but I don’t have the time and money to get over that fear.
time? money?
I’m assuming you already have a cup and paper at home.
time to change? it takes less time to change than to read this.
Go be kind to wee things
Accidentally?
Squash me harder interdimensional daddy.
femcelmemes and 196 are leaking again
you’re a gated
What is that even supposed to mean? Did they make a typo?
I was wondering what they meant with that comment. Thanks for helping realize I made a typo.
Pollinators are beneficial while pests are detrimental. It’s not a choice of aesthetics, but of self-interest.
I try to not kill any without asking my scientist friend if they’re invasive.
She said I’m allowed to scrunch all the spotted lantern flies, and I think they’re very neat looking?
lanternflies definitely defy this particular philosophical postulate
for those of us who like the way they look anyway
i stomped one nearby my toddler niece once and she looked a little too enthused by that, so I reminded her it’s important to be a little sad when a living thing dies, even you killed it to help protect the environment :(
There are no cockroaches where I live so I don’t have to kill any bugs. The few spiders get put outside in a jar.
Remjnds me of…
Dennis Leary: My fluffy little dog… He’s so cute- There’s the problem. We only want to save the cute animals, don’t we? Yeah. Why don’t we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually.
Dennis: What are you?
Otter: I’m an otter.
Dennis: And what do you do?
Otter: I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands.
Dennis: You’re free to go. And what are you?
Cow: I’m a cow.
Denis: Get in the fucking truck, ok pal!
Cow: But I’m an animal.
Dennis: You’re a baseball glove! Get on that truck!
Cow: I’m an animal, I have rights!
Dennis: (pointing at leather jacket) Yeah, here’s yer fucking cousin, get on the fucking truck, pal!
Dennis Leary, Dennis Leary: No Cure for Cancer
This is so true.
Animals need to be treated equally. If you wouldn’t eat your dog or your cat then why would you eat a cow or a chicken? They’re just as intelligent. Just as capable of feeling, of loving.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ unironically would eat a dog or cat.
Grew up where, if we wanted meat, grandpa would go in the back yard and grab a duck or hen… Meat was scarce and came directly from the animal.
Cockroaches tend to be food pests, butterflies are often pollinators. They’re not on the same level.
… From the human perspective.
Do butterflies infest homes and destroy property?
I feel like it’s less what they look like, and more how they impact us. It’s still very human-centric, but ya know, not so much a beauty thing as one might think at first.
nope, its all moths, clothes moths, pantry moths are very hard to eradicate. notable mentions are drain moths, and pantry beetles. butterflies are specializes to mostly flowers, or sometimes carrion, since they are recently evolved from moths, moths are very ancient insects.
Textile moths do. Good thing that they’re drab looking.
Moths are not butterflies.
If not butterfly why butterfly shape?
Biologically speaking, there is no way to define butterfly in a way that includes everything people consider butterflies and does not also include moths.
I suggest reading this book. There’s a whole chapter about that or two, it may change your mind.
For real. I don’t like mosquitos, either. Has nothing to do with the fact that they are ugly.
Mosquitos are actually quite beautiful https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58398905
Just lookup mosquito macro photography - they’re all colorful and fluffy and everything
Yep. Spiders are top 10 ugliest creatures in history, but I would never kill one unless it was a lethally toxic variety. Because they keep the population of disease-carrying, filthy-egg-laying proboscidean-vomiting flying vermin down. Spiders are bros.
Spiders and centipedes won’t actually meaningfully decrease the population of other insects in your house. Both populations will simply grow together if the conditions are correct.
If I removed all of the spiders from my house, the fly population wouldn’t increase? I don’t remember my high school biology too clearly, but I seem to remember a definite link between predator and prey which would suggest rampant increase in an environment where predators are sparse.
Yeah, same thing with house centipedes, but I’d argue they’re even uglier than spiders.
yeah and they try to pretend they are your eyelashes, lull you into a sense of security and then bam they’re drinking your eye juice
Imagine looking in the mirror in the morning thinking why are my eyelashes so tickly, and suddenly they start running around all over your face. This is why you should always keep a flamethrower in the bathroom
you know funny you should mention that. one of the burners on our stove doesn’t light well so we had a good excuse to buy that novelty lightsaber blowtorch
Wait, isn’t it all esthetics at the end of the day?
