A little maybe, but not much.
I’ve seen people say they left reddit to join Lemmy because of the toxic users. To each their own, but I personally think Lemmings aren’t much better. Some people over here can’t understand that sensitive questions can be asked without bad intent. People are way too defensive about their opinions.
It is disappointing, but it’s the better option.
Why should it be better? It’s not like reddit admins made reddit community what it is, the users did. And Lemmy is mostly former(and quite a bit even current) reddit users who left not because they thought it was a bad place but because reddit admins forced them to either by banning their preferred app or by banning them.
I’ve only encountered the occasional RWNJ that gets banned quickly on Lemmy’s various communities. There’s still a strong contingent of neo-liberals here because Reddit is hostile to anyone not far right enough. I usually label them if I think they might have a modicum to discuss or label then mute them so I know what for.
I question what sensitive inquiries you make exactly.
The caveat if you run into nothing but assholes rule also applies. I only show hostility if someone does first or they’re evident arguing in bad faith or keep pushing a flawed opinion. On Reddit, you could say “I like pancakes” and get even the pancake lovers mad at you for not liking waffles enough.
I dont know. Not that Lemmy users are necessarily great all the time, but Reddit has decayed to the point that its barely better than a generic Facebook feed.
Yeah, my feed was pretty awful when I left reddit. Too many reposts.
Lemmy is better on that aspect.
But I feel that it should be possible for me to ask questions I couldn’t ask anywhere else without people jumping on me with their accusations
those reposts are by AI bots, or spammers looking to warm up thier accounts. i see alot of people complain on those subs, but it usually fall on deaf ears most of the time, by mods, and certainly admins dont do anything about it, because its more advertisement potential for them. but they are quick to target accounts that arnt benefiting them.
Like what question do people jump on you for on lemmy here?
Personally I don’t take that much offense, if someone is rude to me I give it back to them, or ignore them. It’s anonymous online communication so you have to expect getting flak.
Well, I asked the question : ‘Do you think strict 2 child policy be a thing?’ Mind you, I didn’t even say it should be. The only reason I asked that is because I wonder if it would become necessary in the future. And some guy accused me of wanting to control women and all that.
Given the decline in birth rates, I don’t know why you’d think it’d be necessary tbh.
You asked if people should be forced to live a certain way and were surprised that you got a vitriolic response??? In this political climate??? Maybe know your audience a little better.
In this political climate???
I was online a decade before “Eternal September” started and having to check the “political climate” before making a post wasn’t a thing until sometime in the last 8 years or so.
This kind gatekeeping has had horrible consequences for the culture of the internet.
You poor little baby. Maybe you can pay someone for a hug or something
Hey that was a good idea. I swung by your house and got a few hugs from your mom. Thanks!
I grew up with lesbian parents in the south in the 90s. Checking the political climate is all I have ever done my entire life, internet or not. I don’t agree that there has ever been a time when that wasn’t a requirement online or offline.
Like for real? Obama’s tan suit happened 12 years ago and you think the Internet has only been politicized for 8? You must have managed to avoid pretty much all social media before Facebook, which is weird because Eternal September happened in the 90s and came from Usenet which has been political since the 80s.
and you think the Internet has only been politicized for 8?
I didn’t say the internet wasn’t politicized. I said that having to “check the political climate” before making a post, i.e. self censoring, is new(ish). You gonna tell me that you never posted online that having lesbian parents is okay before it became accepted to do so? I’ll bet you did and I’ll bet you did it more than once.
This idea that posts running counter to the current cultural / political climate shouldn’t be made is pure horseshit. Usenet was stuffed to the gills with counter culture of all kinds, it was expected and accepted. Yes there were epic flame wars but that’s because people didn’t self censor an unpopular opinion because of the “current political climate”. I was there.
Online discourse is a pale shadow of what it once was and I put the blame squarely on the rise of this idea that people should self-censor in order to avoid giving offense. Fuck that and fuck people who believe that’s how it should be.
Religious people were apeshit about china’s two child policy. They hated it. I don’t doubt you got some flak bringing it up, but it’s also an issue of the government telling people what they can and can’t do, which may be where more of these people are coming from.
One thing is certain, there is zero chance of it happening in the US anytime soon, because of the religious people.
but it’s also an issue of the government telling people what they can and can’t do…
There’s a strong segment of Lemmy, perhaps even a majority, who have absolutely no problem with a government telling people what they can and can’t do. The only thing these people disagree on is the details.
I hope you can see where, in the current political climate, questions like “Should 2-child policy be a thing?” “Should transgenders use the gender assigned at birth?” or “Should immigrants be immediately returned to their country of origin?” might seem disingenuous to the populations affected by those very real policy proposals.
Immediately proving their point with incendiary questions that aren’t really comparable
You should check out one or two talks by Hans Rosling, the Scandinavian statistics prof/king. Very interesting correlations between quality of life/healthcare and family size, and he makes the info digestible for a wide audience.
Also, I would advise you generously block anyone who proves to you that they are not interested in discussing, but only in… let’s say shouting.
I know what you mean…
reddits is dead internet theory come true, mostly run by propaganda bots(russia, israel, and PALINTIR). OF spammers, link/url.ad spammers. FACEBOOK is what reddit will become eventually.
Reddit has decayed to the point that its barely better than a generic Facebook feed.
That is certainly not the case for a well-curated personal feed.
My feeling is that if your feed is shitty, you can look in the mirror at the one who curated it.
I sometimes go to it on a computer with shitty privacy settings. It’s terrible now. There is no quality content and it seems state-owned. After not using it for a while I was shocked by how bad it got since I left.
I don’t know why one would expect Lemmy to be different when it’s entire userbase consists of ex-redditors.
I don’t think there’s much difference between platforms. Everyone is performing to either get pats on the back or to stirr up something. The moment everyone around you seems nice is when you’ve entered the echo chamber.
I just want headpats
attaboy
Because people who decide to leave something shitty are predisposed to wanting something better?
it can be if you’re using your block list effectively. There’s a bubble of really chill people that have seperated themselves off from all the debate lords and with a platform this small you’ll find them pretty easy.
Just block any 3 instances of your choice, 20 of the most active accounts that specifically annoy you, and maybe all the porn comms (it’s mid anyway). You’ll be left with a feed that’s to your liking and nice comment sections
it’s entire userbase consists of ex-redditors.
I don’t know that there’s any decisive proof of that. There’s no reason people haven’t come from other social networks as well.
It dependa on the server. But the nice thing is, you can pack up, walk away and move to another instance.
You are not tied to your first choice. And that is better than reddit. Go where you want to be.
Yup. People are people, and the worst of them seem to be very loud about being awful. Any community is going to feel more toxic as it grows, but federation (theoretically) lets you keep your community as small as you like.
That kind of mobility has limitations - I’ve personally gotten a supposed mainline instance rugpulled with no upfront way of knowing - tons of blocklist (because, y’know) and what few communities seemed worth following, all down the drain.
Federation is supposed to solve that problem but just doesn’t: it works inconsistently and with a bunch of arbitrary politicking involved: why’s this instance block that one, why doesn’t everyone block you-know-which-ones, etc. The idea of a “community” being instance level means that malicious instances have a lot of room to fuck around and make things awkward and unpleasant, as we’ve seen. It also makes discoverability and searchability doodoo.
Like, it’s technically true, it’s just not as practical and rose colored as it seems when people want federation to be a general cure-all for Reddit shittiness, instead of the one overhyped random implementation detail it actually is in all this.
Most instances don’t block other instances of note though. The biggest decision you’ll have to make here realistically is “Do I want to access hexbear and/or lemmygrad” and that’s it.
And Dbzer0 in their current block of feddit.org.
It doesn’t depend on your server. since lemmy is federated, you’re gonna see the same content and people no matter what server you’re on (subject to maybe defederation and things like that). There’s still a general Lemmy “community” that spans across every instance.
Not if you browse local, that’s your server only, right?
Local is just communities from your server. You’ll see comments and posts from other servers, just not communities from other servers
Sure. I regularly get social media vibes as well. Everyone needs to subscribe to one of two sides. Simple truths are way better than long and nuanced texts…
We’re doing better with bot activity and some Reddit-isms like commenting “This.” underneath another comment. But we’re not too far from the vibe on Reddit.
And if you don’t like backlash, don’t publish your opinion on a discussion platform.
Backlash and roasting is something that’s alright. But I can’t stand the blatant false accusations. Post a controversial question , and people will be jumping all over you.
I have seen it. There are some who preach tolerance with absolute intolerance. There is no talking to them. Block them and move on.
Hmmh, yeah. I didn’t look up your case. But from my own experience we have quite some diversity going on here. There’s idiots and a*holes around. Some people with weird personalities or who are not overly clever. We also have intelligent, helpful and overall nice people here. Sometimes it’s obvious “it takes two to tango” situations.
I think to some degree this is unavoidable. And to some degree we should try to do nore to foster good behaviour and disincentive bad behaviour. It’s tricky. And we don’t want a balance that’s just a thick filter bubble either. Unless we’re talking protected safe-space communities.
I think you’re missing the point.
People are people everywhere you go. Nowhere is free of people unless you want to be by yourself.
Lemmy and the Fediverse is not about only being around people that are exactly perfect for you to associate with.
It’s about not giving your thoughts, your mental energy, and your time to build an empire for someone else to profit off of.
I have often wondered about it. I mean people are people. So why should it be? That you and I should get along so awfully?
Okay, so we’re different colors and we’re different creeds and different people have different needs.
It’s obvious you hate me though I’ve done nothing wrong. I’ve never even met you, so what could I have done?
I can’t understand. What makes a man.
Speak for yourself, you paragraph-writing Dingo! /jk
I like it here. You must go to some weird instances.
It was asklemmy@lemmy.ml
.ML is one of the worst instance in the fediverse, brother.
Also stay away from Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and HilariousChaos.
big mistake
blocking lemmy.ml will make your experience a lot less hostile.
the majority of crazy people on lemmy come from there and a few other extremist instances.
Zamn! I was unaware!!
that user is just mad that they can’t say racists slurs without getting banned
This is just the same oft repeated toxic nonsense. .ml is no worse than any of the other subs. There has been a fairly steady rachet campaign since I joined to either get leftwing instances banned or encourageing folks to block them.
People going into a Marxist-Leninist instance trolling with long debunked US-hegemon propaganda are not going to give an honest account of the place.
On a wider point, there are probably a number of topics that are triggering for some folks in ways that catch people off guard. For instance people both-sidesing issues that if you only follow main stream media might seem a reasonable and popular position but the actual history of the issue can go back many decades and be obscenely unjust. Folks that have been paying attention or, worse, have been personally effected, may have a hair trigger on that issue. It’s very easy for bad faith actors to tone police folks like that. Especially when a majority of people are uninformed on the issue.
It’s kinda like the founding of Australia - we get a ton of exiles who were wrongfully prosecuted by the Reddit government, but we also get a fair share of degenerates and murderers who also got banned and ended up here. There’s even a native Lemmy group who was here before Reddit shed users and they really don’t appreciate it to say the least.
really don’t appreciate it to say the least
Hahaha what’s this? Come on bust open the story
The short of it is that the creator of Lemmy and the earliest users are Marxist-Leninists, and certain blocks of them are so actively hostile to anyone who doesn’t immediately agree with them that their instances are on the auto defederation list if you were to spin up your own instance.
We’re talking like the communist version of 4chan levels of users amongst the worst of the group, but plenty of the other actually reasonable communities are bitter about liberals et al being on here. You’ll occasionally see posts about how the new users are diluting the quality of the user base like when Reddit started to become popular.
Yeah I think I got my first DM from one earlier
Cheers for that. Too bad for them. They’re a minority and pretty stupid at that. Most of us aren’t even what they’d call ‘liberal’
Fucking sick of this American tribal politics bullshit I give you the drum
Imo it’s quite alright if you avoid certain instances and comms where a lot of infighting happens. There’s a lot less karma whoring/raging compared to what I’ve seen back in the reddit days, and plenty of people who can have a reasonable conversation if you’re not too confrontational. Bad interactions happen but that’s something you’ll always see when many people with vastly different opinions are involved.
Lemmy is still social media that’s full of anonymous posters with no consequences to their posts so of course discourse is going to be absolute shit with trolls and disingenuous people vying for imaginary points and wearing that negative points as a badge of honor.
That said, with a smaller user base, while there are still complete contrarian, disingenuous users, I do find that the discussion on average are at least better than reddit and the one key to better conversations and debates I found after moving from reddit is I’m much, much more judicious about using that block user button and block communities button.
I’m doing my part!
PSA: you can block users. Don’t be afraid to do it. There’s nothing you can say that will convince flat earthers or similar stupid people.
yup. people need to use block. I swear some people have this thing against it but they have no problem people subscribing to things and only viewing subscrived. Thats like blocking every community your not subscribed to. Its two sides of the same coin.
I blocked myself so if I make any spelling misteaks I can’t see the comment.
*speling
Excellent unpopular opinion that I disagree with! Good post for here :3
On Reddit, I was CONSTANTLY annoyed in every thread.
Award edits: annoying.
Talking about awards and upvotes: annoying.
Spamming subreddits as hashtags: annoying. Rehashing the same phrase/joke over and over again: annoying.
Fake stories in all top subreddits in /all/ used as creative writing before LLMs made even being CREATIVE obsolete yet the site was clogged with bullshit and hundreds (if not thousands) of people responding as if the stories are real: annoying.
(More recently, as of when I left Reddit when the API change was made) Majority of people bots or astroturfers/shills/etc: annoying.
I constantly was shitting in comments and people on Reddit because so many comments were just… so… horribly… stupid! Asinine! Coming from a history of communities of folks that, while being overtly overwhelmingly dumb/offensive, were at least original or creative (IRC/Usenet/LUE/SA/b/specific forums) in their commenting and posts, near the end of Reddit’s life I felt like I had to dig through more oceans of shit to find a tiny gold nugget than I did when I was heavy into /b/ in the early-to-mid 2000s.
I find that Lemmy threads have an expectantly smaller quantity of idiots, rehashed ‘clever’ one-liners in every thread, ‘creative’ writing that isn’t creative in the slightest, and overall garbage commenters. Better shitposters, more furries, better grammar, and more organic stuff overall.
That’s my opinion, anyway. Your post has a lot of downvotes for a “popular” “unpopular opinion” post here which tells me you’ve posted a good one hahaha. I do agree with some of what you’ve said—I’d like some places I can post and read some more crunchy-ass shit. Not stuff like being racist “as a joke”, but with the way the fediverse is, I’d like some NSFL stuff and places where people can be free to be more crude or whatnot. Lemmy is very “safe”, which is healthy for a lot of folks. Overall though, I’ll take “safe” over “enragingly annoying everywhere” hahaha
My experience has been that the more people there are, the more difficult it is to be “seen” in a conversation, the shittier everyone starts behaving. So Lemmy is better off if for no other reason than it is a much smaller userbase. The nice thing about Federation that I could see happening is if the whole gets big enough, a few instances could cordon themselves off into a smaller subset and recreate this small-userbase-experience if it came to that.
Used to better
