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Authorities brought 20 police cars, five SWAT officers, and drones to her house
https://www.twitch.tv/grammacrackers/clip/CharmingSolidNoodleKevinTurtle-CCpMMy7EX_W4v7_S
update: Found this video from local news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGeb3cuqLxE
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This is where your tax money goes.
Just curious about why she was raided. What did the warrant say?
Turns out, it’s relatively easy to convince the police to bring in a swat team to someone’s house, and the police are so chomping at the bit to get out the big boy toys that they don’t even question the validity of the call.
They might say it’s a hostage situation, or gunplay, whatever it takes to make action happen without any real question.
If someone kept giving you fancy expensive toys but you were only allowed to play with them on official business matters …
I didn’t watch the video (I never do, I want to read). So I assumed there was a warrant, when in fact there does not appear to have been time for that.
Police received a report of an active shooter with one shooting casualty. That is what prompted the response and that’s all I wanted to know.
The fact that the response happened isn’t something I personally think should be left up to the police (they shouldn’t be allowed to decide which calls are valid). The fact that this was obviously an overreaction on the part of the police (that so many cops showed up) is still ridiculous in my view.
What I really want is for there to be an investigation into who made the report and preferably for the book to be thrown at them.
I don’t disagree with you that this was a ridiculous display of force. But your answer didn’t answer my question.
For exigent circumstances like an active shooter or hostage situation they do not need a warrant to roll up. That is what makes these kind of issues so concerning. SWATTING has been going on since streaming became more main stay for any reason or no reason at all. Anyone can do it and repercussions on the caller are almost none existent so it is seen as a “fun” way to cause mayhem.
Well, if they send someone to look, and it is an actual bad situation, then response time is delayed…
Of course, as soon as it is seen to be a false call, the person who did the call should be arrested as that’s illegal
Of course, as soon as it is seen to be a false call, the person who did the call should be arrested as that’s illegal
Proving beyond reasonable doubt that they weren’t genuinely concerned can be tough, and mistakenly calling the police (or emergency services in general) shouldn’t generally be punished or people will hesitate to call for help when they need it.
But you’re right: there should be some recourse to abuse, if not criminal then civil. Of course, a lawsuit is a lot of work and possibly money you would pay up front, and there’s no guarantee that you’d actually see much money if the perpetrator is a basement-dwelling neet whose meagre pocket money is immediately spent on Gacha games, trading cards or those weird plastic figures with oversized heads that some people go crazy over.
So maybe the state / police should instead pay compensation to the victim and, if it seems like a case of abuse, bring their own suit to potentially recover those damages from the caller. That would reduce the damage of mistakes, protect well-meaning callers from retribution and thus shift the cost for this security from the individual to the collective. It also allows an option to shift it back onto malicious individuals.
Of course, the police response could be more measured too, and the whole thing is contingent on the justice of the judicial system, but the latter part is true of any system and the former applies to many things the police do anyway.
it’s too easy to make an anonymous call, telecoms are shit
Conspiracy theory:
Tap for spoiler
it’s far from impossible to de-anonymize swatters, but they won’t go through the effort to do that, let alone prosecute the psychopaths who do this because it’s fun for the cops to cosplay as spec ops, everyone gets some fat overtime checks, and the event can be used for PR propaganda to say ‘we need this militarized platoon in case something actually does happen’
It’s an interesting theory.
From what I understand, I worked in an adjacent field a decade ago, The de-anonymize is actually harder than it should be. a voip user gets service from a voip carrier who contracts service from a larger provider, who gets service from on the the biggest carriers. Noone in that chain wants to be responsible for the people below them. There is an unreasonable amount of trust on many carriers to let the clients choose their own ANI. The systems are not designed with accountability anymore. They’re all just a hodgepodge, and the smallest 2 levels of carriers get to charge a premium to let people stay untrackable (like cold calls)
Thanks for the informed and reasonable take lol
You ever watch Police academy? You remember Tackleberry? That’s basically the United States police.
That made me laugh. Big gun virgin.
This also does nothing to answer my question. I share your opinion up to a point, but I think you missed something here. I was simply looking for factual information about the event.
Well, that’ll teach her.
Info about Grandma Crackers’ fundraisers for her grandson’s cancer treatment and Phoenix Children’s Hospital.
Ew crypto
Love it how banks managed to convince everyone that crypto is bad, so they can stay rich and in power of controlling your money.
Ever tried buying a loaf of bread with BTC?
banks managed to convince everyone
I don’t think banks have been in charge of the countless pump and dump crypto schemes in recent years. And Bankman-Fried (despite his name) wasn’t running a bank.
Nah, they just launder money so it’s OK.
Oh, I didn’t know that billionaires are honest and law abiding people. Not some greedy corrupt pedophiles, no no no.
“Please, Mr. Billionaire, take my money, I know you will do good things with it. I’ll even kiss your boots to take my money.”
You know why there’s much less fraud with banks? Because they’re regulated. You know why crypto is not regulated? Because banks don’t want it, it’s bad for business.
And if you think billionaires/bankers won’t do everything in their power to hold on to that power and money, including campaigns to make crypto look bad, and everything in their power to hide their own crimes, you are are heavily misguided.
I didn’t say “banks good”, I said “crypto bros (also) bad”. You don’t think the ones running the crypto schemes are also “greedy corrupt pedophiles”? Maybe you’re “heavily misguided”.
Dude, did you not know that most cryptos, the good ones, are decentralised. Tell me, who owns BTC? Spoiler alert - no one.
Are cryptos perfect? No, but you should really educate yourself about cryptos, beyond the Facebook posts you saw.
Just here to point out that it’s not normal for a military response to some rando calling in a hit on someone’s house.
A normal response is a check by a single police car with two officers. One to knock on the door and ask questions. The other to remain with the vehicle to call in any issues.
This is a police state.
It really depends on what the call in was.
If someone says there’s an active threat and their life is in danger, sending 1 car would would be gross negligence and a danger to the officers.
Now, this call, seems excessive. I dont know what would warrant that response even if it was an active threat.
Yeah, you send one car first and have the other ready. It’s insane to send 20 cars instantly for an unverified anonymous tip. Idc if the caller said there’s an army of cannibals killing dozens of people, it’s still an unverified anonymous tip. If it’s real you’ll get more phone calls or the first car will radio it in.
That’s an argument to be made, but I don’t believe that is true at all. Sending one car to check on the safety/welfare of one active threat seems an entirely reasonable balance of risk. An unverified active threat is not at all the same as a confirmed active threat. That should be obvious simply by the existence of “swatting” as a common term and act these days.
It is not the duty of police to protect people from eminent harm, they have argued this themselves in court. Their job is strictly punitive, again an argument they have made in court many times. They only pretend to “protect and serve” when it suits their agenda of justification for their over inflated budgets. This isn’t a public safety issue. It’s a class warfare issue.
They probably reported to the operator an excess of melanin at the residence.
I really hope, they find out who swated her and jail them.
half the fun is strapping up. so many toys
why a 82 y.o. grandma have to stream to pay for fucking cancer?
The greatest nation on earth ladies and gentlemen.
Most people get cancer free of charge. Is there an opt-out in the US or do you just have to pay for cancer whether you want it or not, like taxes?
This whole story is a series of failures.
Murica!
America just cosplaying as a first world country
Because orphans need to be ground and you gotta pay to stop that.
#Freedom
Takes a special kind of asshole to swat a little old lady for trying to host a wholesome gaming stream for a good cause.
You don’t know what she did in Minecraft.
(/s)
I heard she made a mob farm of babies
The fact that swating still happens just proves how much of a joke policing is in general. The fact that you can get a bunch of gun-wielding adrenaline junkies to show up somewhere, frothing at the mouth for violence, in the most spurious of ways is a damning indictment for the whole institution.
I still believe that “defund the police”, is the correct choice. The whole damn thing has to go.
If you don’t have someone authorized by the state to enforce laws, you’re still going to get people enforcing “laws”, it’s just going to be vigilantes, people with grudges, etc. Just look how frequently you see incidents of road rage. Cops basically exist to prevent people from taking revenge into their own hands.
Take all those incidents of people calling the cops on black men having a picnic or taking their dogs for a walk. If there were no cops, do you think these white “Karens” would just leave the black men alone? Or do you think they’d get together and lynch them?
I think the US needs to scale its policing way back. It needs mental health specialists to respond to certain kinds of calls. The person who responds to a report of a stolen bike probably shouldn’t have a gun. But, at some point you are going to need people who will use physical force to enforce the law. Those people should be heavily supervised by a truly independent body. But, they still need to exist in some form.
Cops basically exist to prevent people from taking revenge into their own hands.
No, cops exist to protect capital.
This is just one example too, they’ve issued multiple similar rulings. Also, uh, see: Uvalde.
If there were no cops, do you think these white “Karens” would just leave the black men alone? Or do you think they’d get together and lynch them?
…you think cops keep black people safe? Are you being remotely serious here?
The cops were (and still are) the ones doing the lynching, whether off-duty in white hoods or on duty lol
Yeah for people downvoting this, cops being a problem is largely an American thing. In many other places around the world they are actually beneficial.
Weird how many videos I’ve seen of German police beating anti-genocide protestors and British police arresting seniors for expressing anti-genocide opinions. Maybe that was just an American psyop.
White supremacy is the problem, and America may have the worst case of that, but certainly not the only case.
Yeah, Thunberg was definitely arrested in America. Just, uh, don’t google it.
Cops can be amenable with enough controls, sure, but they ultimately serve capital, man.
Yeah, this is what a lot of people fail to take into account when it comes to the purpose of policing in society. There’s obviously a lot of inherent problems with the way the police are structured in many countries as a whole, but to believe that we can just make do without something like them altogether is pretty shortsighted to say the least. I think that prevents a lot of otherwise sympathetic people from taking the backlash against police institutions seriously.
Yea it’s funny how they just angry downvote, and if they reply at all, they don’t really respond to the points. Who will do the fucking policing if there’s no police??? There will always be people who need to be forcefully stopped from what they’re doing.
I think the idea generally is to replace the police with social welfare programs and unarmed crisis responders, but that’s jumping through so many hoops that it just sounds way too simplistic tbh. It sounds practical, but it treats the problem like it’s something that can be improved with just a few institutions reforming/being abolished.
There’s never been a society without some form of justice system since cruelty is a part of human nature, and at this point these systems are far too intertwined and embedded in our societies for them to change dramatically without some form of societal collapse or retraction.
Idealism is well and good but the things many want in place of police institutions seem like they’re ignoring how complex and non-specific the issues are as a whole. It’s definitely not a one size fits all situation, especially with how many factors there are. People can disagree with me but I’d prefer to hear why at least, there are probably things I’m not considering here.
Yet they won’t do a damn thing if someone is actually assaulting you.
Probably shoot you and the aggressor since keeping themselves safe is the priority in their training.
Awful, the damn SS and NKVD would be proud of the US SWAT officers.
Kudos to granny for being so positive about it and acknowledging that the cops have to follow up on the calls they receive, but if some anonymous tipster can bring down a SWAT team on some grandma’s house without any kind of check being triggered, that might indicate that there are some problems about how these issues are being handled. Other people may get out of this with much worse than a funny story to tell when two dozen cops decide to visit their house at night.
People have already died from swatting. Faster and cheaper than hiring an assassin.
From the point of contact, or including time to find a good one? A good assassin can be very quick.
I’ll give ya cheaper though. Good work costs good money.
Once I read they threw a flashbang through the window and it landed in a baby bed with a baby inside, and went off.
Things we don’t want to know…
They need to respond, but they need to end the whole “Killology” mindset that American cops are trained into.
what do you even have to say on the phone for them to send 20 cars bro
Is she using X-ray and macros or something to cheat at Minecraft? Seeing very little discussion of the video.
It’s some kind of thing were if she goes afk, chat can decide what the player should do. In this case they decided to mine ores.
Funny how these supposedly specialized police officers have such a cool name, SWAT, because of course they do because it’s the US and they have to look and sound cool and do cool stuff.
Never mind that they supposed to be serving and protecting the citizens
I know these specialized teams also exist in other countries. What are they called there? No fucking idea, but it ain’t cool because in those countries, those guys are actually the real deal and they don’t need cool nicknames or military equipment, they are there to do a job.
Fuck, the US always was such a shit show, why are you people allowing police to be so fucking put of control?
why are you people allowing police to be so fucking put of control?
Two issues. One is that some asshole did a fraudulent call and police had to respond.
Other is that due to gun proliferation they can take it lightly and have to assume the worst
They can take it lightly, but they are trained away from de-escalation and critical thinking in general.
What country are you in?
I can’t speak for anywhere else, but here in Canada, emergency response team is not a full time job (except in the largest metro areas). Members do regular police work until an emergency.
And even if the cities with full time ERT, they rarely respond as a full team. They are often dispatched to assist constables for other duties. It’s very rare for a full rollout of a tactical ERT team here. And even more rare that shots are fired.
Edit: I am in no way a police expert, but I learned a lot when I worked on a rollout of a body camera program.
You thinking SWAT sounds cool is on you. Though the marketing does help, tv series, movies, games etc.
In Sweden we call our equivalent “Strike Force” but in swedish of course. And they basically have access to whatever they need to get the job done. That’s why they exist. And personally, i think their name is pretty cool. It’s very direct and you know instantly upon hearing it what it is they do.
Props to Grannycrackers for handling the aftermath with such grace and humour. Not sure I would be half as composed as her. (Or half as chuffed at getting to ride in a police car.) Hope she smashes her fundraising target.
Looking forwards to the news of the arrest of the no-lifer who swatted her.
Yeah. The best possible outcome after a situation like this is the victim not being harmed in any way, so the perpetrator is denied the satisfaction of causing harm.
You’d be surprised at how many old people request to be arrested by the police, it’s like a thrill ride for some of them.
