Either we all die, or our owners will give us a few bucks to make a living (UBI style), but not enough to do more. We’re fucked anyway.
We will be the stuff
Stuff is people! 😮
The robots.
They do all the work, so eventually you’ll figure out it’s better to cut the middleman and enjoy the fruits of their labour.
Thats assuming that complete transition goes unchallenged. I might be misanthropic, but history has shown humans can be fark’n stubborn
The owners of other robots.
Yeah, the “elite” aren’t actually smart enough to figure that out. Elite is kind of an oxymoron.
They’re more like sadistic self interested fucks than elites.
No one asked you to use that word to describe them, why are you perpetuating it?
They’re not elite, they’re just rich fuckers who attained massive riches by exploiting the workers’ need for survival.
That’s why they need to horde that much money.
Nobody gets rich or stays rich by hoarding money. That’s not what being wealthy means.
Please explain. You mean they invest and are actually very smart and earned their wealth by working hard?
Rich people don’t hoard cash. They have assets that are valuable. A billionaire doesn’t have a billion dollars on their bank account. Hell, they probably don’t even have a million in there. All that wealth is tied to investments that either increases in value or for the very least holds it.
Making money is incredibly easy if you have a lot of money to begin with. Going from zero to million is hard. Going from million to a hundred million, not so much.
It’s hoarding none the less. I assume the previous commenter didn’t mean literally cash, neither did I. So yes you’re right.
Is Elon hoarding money because he owns multiple succesfull companies?
I don’t think so. Hoarding means sitting on a pile of something that you don’t use/need.
Exactly!!
The economy is already morphing to serve the needs of the upper levels of worth. Look at the trend with airlines shrinking economy sections and expanding first class and business class. Pretty much all consumer offerings are moving to the luxury tier.
Vegas is a good example. Increasingly caters to the top 1%.
True capitalism makes sure that people can afford to buy stuff. Is there a name for what we currently have? Because it sure ain’t capitalism.
Uh, how do you define capitalism? Because the definition I know doesn’t do that.
Sounds exactly like my hardcore ancap friend. “No true Scotsman” all the way…
The end result of capitalism is what we are in now.
Capitalism is when there is a capitalist class that owns the means of production in order to extract surplus value, and a working class that uses the means of production in order to create value.
The truest capitalism would be a society where one individual owned everything and everyone else had to work under that individual.
Capitalism does not care - and never has cared - about people’s ability to buy stuff. That’s why market crisises happen. It’s the result of capitalists taking more than the workers can afford to lose.
There have been times when the capitalist class has cooperated with the demands and needs of the working class. That’s called a mixed economy, and as the name suggests, it’s a compromise between capitalism and socialism and therefore far from “true” capitalism.
To add on were not even capitalists anymore its basically corporate welfare and socialism. Why tax a net loss company that just made billions this year. If they ever fail like covid the government will bail them out.
People should consider reading Iron Heel by Jack London. Written in 1908 it is considered a social sci-fi, reading it now it feels like he came back from the future to write it.
maybe he did. we don’t know. 🤷♂️
We kinda have two choices:
Some flavour of socialism where people get what they need for free
Or
Turbo-rio-de-janiro style inequality where we all live in slums
Now the 2nd one is what the ultra rich want and they have a lot of power, so it’s kinda on the rest of us to make the first happen instead
Didn’t the French have an option three?
Data centres notoriously don’t have heads, but I love the enthusiasm
If Louis so-and-so hadn’t had a head my ancestors would have blown him to bits, that’s also an option for datacenters, just look at Iran !
Data centers are made by companies and companies have board of directors who have heads. CEOs have heads.
It’s an uphill battle, but it’s better to start early than late.
Unlike before, the rich now have private armies, lobbying groups, and mass surveillance networks while we peasants own nothing. Plus, the pot is slowly boiled.
The rich have always had private armies and spy networks. The technology may have changed, but same old same old.
I disagree. My opinion is that the technology did change. It just became more efficient at doing its job (killing people, surveillance, and mass propaganda).
The internet was supposed to be a gateway of information, but now it’s the largest propaganda network. Free speech is censored by closed source algorithms and the entire internet infrastructure is controlled and owned by the 1%.
We are more isolated compared to before, class solidarity is almost nonexistent, and its easier to identify people now vs before due to being interconnected real time.
I can go more on and on but the tldr is that technology has made it easier and faster to crush dissent
The french fucked up cause they didn’t have option 1 as the follow-up to option 3.
“maybe the clothes are made of paper. The food is just nutrient paste…”
Or something like that from the Expanse. Sure, your needs are met, but living life on basic assistance seems like a nightmare.
Another fiction to look at could be Star Trek. Pretty much everything materialistic is free. You study and work not to afford your materialistic needs and wants, but for the joy of doing it.
And people do build careers and business, for the joy and the achievement of it.
… just to contrast your idea of badic income meaning barely surviving.
Option 3 : WW3 and kill off all the poors
This might inconvenience some of the rich, though.
Robots.
yeah, but when humans have all the jobs, who’s gonna buy all the stuff?
It’s okay. Elon said we’d all be rich thanks to UBI once the robots have taken over all the jobs. And Elon wouldn’t lie.
/s
With MechaHitler controlled robots, you will compete with all of the other sharecroppers to pay your robot rental fess with your mechahitler minion’s work’s revenue. If you get rich from this scheme, Musk will increase supply of robots so that more competition to your income stops you from being rich.
Concerning!
I have a suspicion they are focusing on short-term goals, because that is what those people usually do. For example, it’s probably hard to explain who should watch all the ads and buy all the advertised products when Facebook replaces their content and interactions with bot slop. They didn’t think this through. This isn’t some kind of visionary 4D chess. But it does not matter to them. When wasting 80 billion on a VR project that was doomed to fail from the beginning does not matter, nothing does.
For example, it’s probably hard to explain who should watch all the ads and buy all the advertised products when Facebook replaces their content and interactions with bot slop.
Sam Altman owns a company that provides ‘human verification’
I purposely “watch” ads because I think it’s funny that me doing it causes company’s to think they work and therefore spend more money, I cannot think of a single thing I bought because of an ad, sure some things I have learned about because of ads but if I bought the product it is because I researched the product and it fit with my expectations, most of the time I buy competitive products because my assessment process asigns negative points for ads that annoy me.
What you’re describing is exactly how most ads work. It’s to inundate you with a brand so you want to search it up and likely purchase it. You never bought directly from an ad, but an ad sure as fuck worked on you.
I’m a former digital marketer. Many ads are meant for brand reach. They’re basically there to ear (mind?) worm you so you’re thinking about the brand. Digital ads can be cheap in niche markets when bidding isn’t forcing up prices due to competition for market share.
A cancer doesn’t plan
Thats not very “shareholder value” of you. /s
