I mean…i’m sure you agree with this: if the democrats want to win, they should not be making choices that cost them votes. Their post-mortem on 2024 tells them that continuing their pro-genocide position cost them votes (according to axios anyway, who I guess got a peek at it somehow. the democrats have decided they are not going to publish it.).
That’s real pressure for them to change. Not voting for the democrats created that pressure. They now know that abandoning israel will lead to a net-increase in their votes.
And yeah, I would hope that when looking down the barrel of more domestic fascism, knowing that it will matter from a purely Machiavellian perspective, the democrats will stop arming a genocide.
Like…I get how scared everyone is. I have family members who are undocumented immigrants in the US. It is terrifying. My neice might get shipped off to some el-salvadorian torture prison. Life would have been better for them if Harris had won. But I don’t regret refusing to vote for Harris because (a) I reject the claim that I have some ethical culpability for what the the fascists do (that’s just some ontological fuckery that I can’t straighten out in my mind, even with the benefit of a philosophy undergrad and years more of school and work figuring out all kinds of tax-law fuckery), and (b) people taking this position has created measurable pressure on the democrats to change. I guess there’s also the sneaky (c) my vote would not have counted anyway because I’m not from a swing state.
you’ve done a lot of work to justify your wrong position of doing nothing to keep the rapist pedophile fascist con man moron out of office.
bravo.
i’m sure you’re very proud of yourself. but you haven’t defended your position in the slightest, despite your “i’m an undergrad in philosophy” (fucking seriously, dude?) “authority” on the subject of how a populace should avoid authoritarianism, which is a key objective in a democracy.
don’t worry bro–i give it 50/50 whether the votes will even matter in november, and if we come out on the bottom, then the chances will be 00/100. but that’s just me. maybe the country will wake up and realize that in order to change things for the better, the only thing we can do is flush our votes down the toilet.
for fucks fucking sake. i’m glad you’re happy with yourself
You have done a lot of work to justify your voting to continue arming the genocide of Palestinians. And hey, if you find that convincing, have at it.
And you’re jumping through some real conceptual hoops to blame me for what Donald trump does lol I didn’t vote for him. You did vote for Harris.
Like I said, I’m a lawyer. I’m used to weird mental gymnastics. I only mention my bachelors in case your mental gymnastics require a doctorate in philosophy to understand or what? Like…walk me through how you get to my moral culpability for the actions of Donald trump, as someone who didn’t vote for him. Explain that to an idiot like me.
It’s horrifying. I didn’t support it, and our lack of support is making one party rethink their support for it. Your acquiescence to it did fuck all for Palestinians.
There wasn’t one, and ain’t that a bitch? Isn’t that suspicious? Isn’t that a problem?
The answer is that (I know this might seem totally insane to you) the people with power are not the voters. The people with power decide if we get fascism at home or genocide abroad. And they’re the ones to blame when we do. They have agency and culpability.
I’m sick of this ridiculous ethical Rube Goldberg machine, which none of you can explain, that blames me for that.
I don’t blame you for picking the lesser of two evils…what do I care? Just shut the hell up and stop punching left.
Because the democrats might just want to win enough to stop arming a genocide. If we…I don’t know…anti genocide holdouts or whatever…don’t vote, then we can give the democrats something they want. If we vote blue no matter who, why would the democrats change?
The people with power are also in a struggle with each other, democrats and republicans are one of the main embodiments of that struggle. The democrats might decide that they’re willing to deign to stop arming a genocide if it helps them beat the republicans.
I mean…i’m sure you agree with this: if the democrats want to win, they should not be making choices that cost them votes. Their post-mortem on 2024 tells them that continuing their pro-genocide position cost them votes (according to axios anyway, who I guess got a peek at it somehow. the democrats have decided they are not going to publish it.).
That’s real pressure for them to change. Not voting for the democrats created that pressure. They now know that abandoning israel will lead to a net-increase in their votes.
And yeah, I would hope that when looking down the barrel of more domestic fascism, knowing that it will matter from a purely Machiavellian perspective, the democrats will stop arming a genocide.
Like…I get how scared everyone is. I have family members who are undocumented immigrants in the US. It is terrifying. My neice might get shipped off to some el-salvadorian torture prison. Life would have been better for them if Harris had won. But I don’t regret refusing to vote for Harris because (a) I reject the claim that I have some ethical culpability for what the the fascists do (that’s just some ontological fuckery that I can’t straighten out in my mind, even with the benefit of a philosophy undergrad and years more of school and work figuring out all kinds of tax-law fuckery), and (b) people taking this position has created measurable pressure on the democrats to change. I guess there’s also the sneaky (c) my vote would not have counted anyway because I’m not from a swing state.
you’ve done a lot of work to justify your wrong position of doing nothing to keep the rapist pedophile fascist con man moron out of office.
bravo.
i’m sure you’re very proud of yourself. but you haven’t defended your position in the slightest, despite your “i’m an undergrad in philosophy” (fucking seriously, dude?) “authority” on the subject of how a populace should avoid authoritarianism, which is a key objective in a democracy.
don’t worry bro–i give it 50/50 whether the votes will even matter in november, and if we come out on the bottom, then the chances will be 00/100. but that’s just me. maybe the country will wake up and realize that in order to change things for the better, the only thing we can do is flush our votes down the toilet.
for fucks fucking sake. i’m glad you’re happy with yourself
You have done a lot of work to justify your voting to continue arming the genocide of Palestinians. And hey, if you find that convincing, have at it.
And you’re jumping through some real conceptual hoops to blame me for what Donald trump does lol I didn’t vote for him. You did vote for Harris.
Like I said, I’m a lawyer. I’m used to weird mental gymnastics. I only mention my bachelors in case your mental gymnastics require a doctorate in philosophy to understand or what? Like…walk me through how you get to my moral culpability for the actions of Donald trump, as someone who didn’t vote for him. Explain that to an idiot like me.
how’s that genocide thing going? is that fixed now, or…
It’s horrifying. I didn’t support it, and our lack of support is making one party rethink their support for it. Your acquiescence to it did fuck all for Palestinians.
who is the not-kamala candidate everyone should have voted for?
that’s what i thought.
There wasn’t one, and ain’t that a bitch? Isn’t that suspicious? Isn’t that a problem?
The answer is that (I know this might seem totally insane to you) the people with power are not the voters. The people with power decide if we get fascism at home or genocide abroad. And they’re the ones to blame when we do. They have agency and culpability.
I’m sick of this ridiculous ethical Rube Goldberg machine, which none of you can explain, that blames me for that.
I don’t blame you for picking the lesser of two evils…what do I care? Just shut the hell up and stop punching left.
if voting does nothing, then why do you think not voting does something?
Because the democrats might just want to win enough to stop arming a genocide. If we…I don’t know…anti genocide holdouts or whatever…don’t vote, then we can give the democrats something they want. If we vote blue no matter who, why would the democrats change?
The people with power are also in a struggle with each other, democrats and republicans are one of the main embodiments of that struggle. The democrats might decide that they’re willing to deign to stop arming a genocide if it helps them beat the republicans.