Still supporting genocide in the midst of genocides.
Democrat bravery.
Fuck maga, fuck the democrats, fuck fake bipartisan “democratic” empires, fuck this post and fuck you OP
Here folks, - a gentleman with a refined critical mind. Having enough of this circus.
None of them are better than the other. Stop comparing. These posts are either retarded or a psyop.
I’ll hold maga and people who voted Maga responsible. I won’t shift blame. People should be free to vote for the party they want. We need more parties not more corporate loyalty towards the DNC or RNC. Democrats just use the idea of ‘well it’s either us or them’ to stay in power while never doing anything meaningful.
I’ve been holding my nose and voting for lesser evil my whole life and we still got here. I’m not doing it again. If that means we have to solve this in the streets, it won’t be the first time. Progressive or bust.
No you don’t understand, we have to do the same thing we’ve done for decades, and this time, instead of things getting worse, things will get better. Please be practical.
Vote blue no matter who mfs when deep south candidate Hdolf Aitler promises free healthcare.
That aside, Democrats dgaf about their voting base - and it shows. Harris didn’t even go through general elections (which was skipped) and the DNC jumped from ol’ Biden to Harris after the fact - and from what I’m hearing from progressive Americans is that was an insult to the idea of democracy, especially when they did not want Harris whatsoever.
So let me make it clear: if the Democrats can’t secure enough votes in the midterms and the next presidential elections, it’s because they fucked up.
Then again, you could maybe start getting rid of that third party stigma and have some actual options? No? Just two parties bought up by AIPAC and JStreet?
Cue the biker jamming a stick in the wheels meme.
So, I’m not usian, but isn’t it better for the long term to show Dems that you will vote a candidate for what their policies are instead of just because they aren’t the other guy, thus making them choose candidates that at least pretend to listen to what the people want?
Voting for “not-Trump” just enables them and allows them to keep moving to the right, as long as the other guy is worse, like it’s being happening the last 20+ years. “You need to vote for the eating-babies candidate! The other one is advocating for eating babies AND puppies!”.
The problem comes when you’re weighing a protest vote/no-vote against milquetoast corporate centrism, and the outcome should that protest vote sway the election is that the Slavering Fascist Apocalypse-Makers sweep into power, turn any future elections into tightly-controlled farces, and then begin a sweeping range of internal and external pogroms. Voting for the corporate centrists sucks, but from a standpoint of harm reduction it’s the only viable choice. A bunch of people stayed home in 2024 on the logic that by doing so they’d send a message to the Democrats, and as a result America might lose its democracy entirely.
Voting for the corporate centrist is viable harm reduction in the short term, but in the long term it’s a harm multiplier. Trump winning 2020 absolutely would have been worse than Biden winning, but Biden’s win and subsequent failure to do anything whatsoever to prevent future harm made Trump’s 2024 win even worse. If Harris had won 2024, she would have continued to fail to hold republicans accountable for their treason, and the next republican would be even worse. The only way this method of harm reduction functions in the long term is if a republican is never elected again. Republicans will be elected again, and we need an opposing party that’s willing and able to oppose them, not delay them.
“hey shut up about genocide, will you?”
“hmmm… no, I can’t think of ONE thing I would do differently from this senile corpse”
“hey look! the Cheneys love me!”
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“wait why didn’t enough people turn out?”
Someone said it here. Thank you!
“Never blame the politicians for fielding a candidate that many would be unable to bring themselves to vote for due to her support of mass child murder, blame instead the people who can’t bring themselves to vote for a supporter of mass child murder”
– This posts and other DNC propaganda posts like it.
If one didn’t support the opposition, then they’re implicitly in support of who ends up in power.
Sadly our votes are one of the few things we have as normies that give us power, what you do and don’t do with it is important. Even if in your jurisdiction you see both (or more) candidates as being bad, there is always a lesser evil.
What opposition
I’m talking more generally, the world is bigger than just America. You know what I meant.
Word, I support Hamas
That would only be correct if the voting system was not cyclical.
In reality that’s not the case: today’s vote results help shape which candidates are made available to voters the next time around, the one after that and so on.
So it’s perfectly correctly to look at the options put forward today and decide to not vote in order try and have better options available tomorrow - it’s the logic of trying to preempt a tomorrow were all choices are both worse than today’s worst option.
Mind you, this is not me saying that with Trump as one of the candidates doing so was the best possible choice - just explaining how it’s actually a logical choice if one thought Trump was not the danger he turned out to be.
I suspect that if in the last 3 decades most people had been thinking and chosing in the way I suggest rather than falling for the deceitful simplification that each time they vote they must chose the “lesser evil”, the situation were both the Democrats and the Republicans fielded Genocide supporting candidates would never have happenned since at least the Democrats would have long ago and repeateadly been punished for fielding ever more rightwing candidates and thus never arrived at a situation were their candidate was so far to the right that they support the modern day version of Nazis doing their own Genocide as long as the consequences are kept abroad.
It’s because of such mechanics and decades of too many people falling for the DNC propaganda about the obligation to vote lesser evil, that America moved more and more towards the poverty riddled Fascism shithole that it is today - somebody like Trump as POTUS was always bound to happen when the leftmost party of the Money uber-alles + Political duopoly system in the US found a way to not be punished for keeping on moving ever more to the right and even now there’s really no way this trend will stop (much less revert) until the top power of the land - Money - actually suffers for the country being too rightwing (which, curiously, might happen due to Trump, though the risk is the Republicans just replace him with a more intelligent Fascist).
I understand what you’re getting at, but I would partially counter with that losing parties may instead weigh their policy decisions more towards the people they know will vote. Rather than potentially wasting time catering for those that have shown that in the end they may not vote at all. I would wager (on top of many other factors) this could be why many countries’ historically left leaning parties have been moving more and more towards the centre as time goes on. Labour in the UK are a prime example.
The Labour Party in the UK (with whom I am very familiar, having lived there for over a decade) is a perfect example of a party whose leadership strongly believed the segment of voters to their left had no other option than vote for them, hence kept moving rightwards. This is especially so in Keir Starmer’s Labour, with it’s flirting with far-right subjects like anti-immigration and transphobia.
The Democrat Party in the US is also another excellent example of a party which stopped caring about voters to their left because they felt such voters had no other option than vote for them, hence Biden’s own anti-immigration rhetoric and policies, as well as support for the ethno-Fascist Genocidal political movement of Zionism and why the main Political Propaganda messaging from them in the last election was “Vote Kamala to stop Trump” rather than anything about the qualities that Kamala Harris would bring as President.
I mean, I can see where you’re coming from, but historically (at least in the last 3 or 4 decades) in systems with highly rigged voting systems like FPTP, the left-side main party has taken (sometimes very overtly so) left-wing voters for granted and openly pitched ever more rightwards policies in their speeches and then actually enacted them when in office.
Ultimately, even if your theory was correct (and I don’t think there was ever a big enough block of left-wingers refusing to vote for the left-side main party to actually satisfy that condition you say will lead that party to shift rightwards, hence there is no experimental evidence either for or against what you suggest, hence it’s all a fantasy “what if”), we do know with absolute certainty that “vote for them no matter what” leads the left-side main party to shift rightwards because that’s exactly what has happened for at least 3 or 4 decades both in the UK and the US.
May be she should have, instead of being silent pos and hence complicit in genocide, just like Trump and Biden and many European leaders.
She wasn’t silent, she openly supported Israel.
Harris could have won without changing a single position on anything.
All she had to do was stop listening to anyone who worked for the Clintons, and run her mouth on whatever was on her mind. Any issue, just be fucking real about it. She couldn’t/didn’t do it.
Everything Mr Trump says is some shade of a lie, but it appears true in the moment in the way that sociopaths can pass a lie detector exam. They do not betray themselves with microexpressions when they lie.
And thus he appeared genuine despite uttering nothing but bald-faced lies and she appeared to be hiding something when she was being careful and campaigning like it was still the Obama Era. It was not and he won because of it.
Hmmm yes, it is the victims of genocide who are smug. Big brain thinks from the humble liberal.
It’s incredible that peoples’ minds are so colonized that their first instinct is to blame voters instead of party leadership that shut down all discussion of Biden’s declining health, undemocratically anointed a wildly unpopular successor and then failed to listen to voters who were saying that supporting an ongoing genocide was a bridge too far.
American “democracy” in summary
The party leaders ousted Biden because of his declining health. Are you stupid?
As if we all don’t know what actually happened. Biden was the candidate even though they had far better candidates including Bernie and AoC. Even Harris was crap. But keeping licking up to establishment.
But vote blue no matter who, do you trump to win, whatever they say that is bullshit. Never mind the Democrats leadership and neo-liberal majority have shown they’re just controlled opposition at this point. They don’t make real change, and I bet when it’s all said and done, if they get into power, will still reach across the fricking aisle.
The real change would have been to not have any of this shit we have now.
Nah, next time push for better and not a sad compromise. Learn a lesson.
Yeah it sucks
Trying to explain to Americans that the fact they don’t Primary Challenge incumbent democrats is a massive part of the problem; is tiresome.
I really think the left were the canary in the coal mine with this entire Israel issue. I personally know people who didn’t give a fuck about Gaza during the election, who are now really wondering why shit is the way it is, who are slowly realizing (in their own ways) how it’s all connected.
Enabling netanyahus best buddy to become president was not a smart move.
Not necessarily the left, but I’ve always called trans and disabled people a canary in the coalmine for fascism. We’re always among the first groups they come for
