Lotta posts on here lately that seem intent on minimizing the presence of marginalized groups and their resistance within the US. I wonder what someone would want out of a narrative that conveniently ignores grassroots activism and mutual aid while minimizing their effect when they don’t correlate with fundamental, top-down change. What position would a person have to be in to be comforted by a narrative like that? 🧐
Do nothing is somehow always the most played card 😅
What the fuck am I supposed to do?
If I do anything non-violent to “rise up” against the government, it’s “not enough.” If I do anything violent, I put everything I have to care for at risk. I have a kid and a wife and a house and a mortgage and a job with a healthcare plan to be worried about.I want trump and his corruption and his cronies gone. But I’m not going to put my child’s chance at a stable future at risk to make it so.
I will/do vote against him. I will/do protest. I will/do volunteer to help the victims of his shit policies. But I will not deprive my family of a husband/father/home. I can’t.
So if that’s not enough, I’m sorry. I want to do more but they’ve got us pinned down. We need “air support.” We may even need outside help.
Or to use my preferred way of phrasing it “I won’t be first in line for the revolution, but you bet your ass I’ll be third.”
This exactly. We are human and oir system prevents us from having any power over that dumb ass. We did not vote him into power, the stupid electoral college did. Our vote is meaningless. Only our economic decisions are important. Vote with our feet, vote with our wallet. We should fight to vote with our data…but first we need to fight for our data back.
So all those guns were for schools only?
Democrats have been saying that for 30 years. The excuse that you need guns to prevent the government becoming tyrannical was a farce since 1900, there’s no way that individuals with AR-15s could overthrow the military unless the military lets them do so at which point you didn’t need the AR-15s in the first place.
You can make an argument for home defense or hunting, but a shotgun or bolt action rifle are generally more than enough for that.
… did you not see Jan 6th? Its easier than you think
The President of the United States was throwing a rally and, furthermore, we now know that Trump’s people coordinated with groups like the Proud Boys. That’s not exactly spontaneous or lacking centralized organization.
Also, I 100% guarantee you that if it hadn’t been MAGA, there would have been bodies on the ground well before they got to the Capital steps. The people in charge right now are the ones who are pro gun and ok with killing people they disagree with. They are also the ones who would argue for executing people for treason because that’s what the constitution says.
It’s not that a violent revolution couldn’t happen, but there has to be something or someone to rally around and there just isn’t yet. No one with the clout to actually pull this level of support has gotten to that point yet.
8 million people keep showing for No Kings… not sure why you folks keep ignoring this
8 million people across 2,700 locations, almost all non-violent, to protest…
Do I need to refer you back to the original meme or do you actually think protesting counts as doing something in the US? Protesting hasn’t been effective since Republicans learned they can just ignore you.
That’s what I expected. Learn some history.
And gay pubs.
When it finally comes to it every Trump, MAGA, 2nd Amendment, gun loving American will rise up and stand on the side of tyranny
Put a trucker hat on him, and a camo shirt. Most people don’t own guns in the U.S.
Only about a third of people in the U.S. own guns, and those are mostly the dipshits who voted for our sorry excuse for a president.
The fact is the people in charge are running the most well funded military in the world.
If you think any of us can get close enough to their fat fuck orange Jesus to do anything, you’re deluding yourself.
Americans are morbidly obese sheep doped up on Oxy and ultra processed carbs. They can barely walk a mile.
40%
To me, that’s the real issue. I’ve heard of and yearn for these situations where a population overthrows a corrupt government. But SO much of America is brain damaged enough that they intentionally, willingly, without a gun to their head, voted for this and believes it to be okay.
There is a heavy propaganda machine affecting them as well as a deep religious institution. We don’t even see much of it often on international media. Even then, while it can move the needle, it also points to a sizable percentage of that 40% not being ignorant or scared of Kamala, but openly Evil as well as stupid. Even when Trump says the most insane shit, they’re still worried that a Democrat will burst into their home with a loaded Immigrant and kill them all.
Also a deep lack of education. They have been attacking access to education, eroding institutions, to keep the population dumb and docile
Lazy shit. Its easy to point and say “nothing” and never help or suggest a single idea to help.
If this was basically any other country the capital building would be swarming with an angry mob.
But Americans are just like “well I guess we’re going to genocide a country…m bet write a quippy tweet about this”
If January 6th had been angry and violent liberals the crowd would have been fired on when they started trying to get into the Capital building.
The people who are against what is going on are typically the non-violent, non-gun owning, and sensible people. The people in power and who support what is happening in Iran are the ones who support violent revolution and have no problem killing people they disagree with.
Why is the angry mob just fine with your government…
Using the US dollar for international trade
Doing daily business with the USA
Buying your weapons from the USA
Why is your country sitting at the table with Nazis and doing nothing?
???
Basically any other country is small enough for the mob to get to the capitol building at a moments notice
Plus there already are protests outside those buildings daily
This is just American exceptionalism
“Protesting is tooooo haaaaaaaaaaaaaard”
And usually have some form of mass transit that would aid protestors in getting to the capitol. The most populous US cities are not the political center of the country and don’t have cheap access to them. An Amtrak ticket from NY to DC is like $130 minimum and can barely hold a normal day’s amount of commuters, let alone an influx of mass protestors.
Imagine driving 40 hours from LA to DC to protest on of president flip flop’s statements
God damn so we need a recall function that’s able to be initiated by the public.
Imho everyone from the president down to the dog walker should be subject to a recall possibility
The great revolution is not coming. Datacenters are flammable today!
Man, those guys look like assholes.
Y’know who are really complicit? Belgians! Yeah. That’s right!
Because I don’t live there either and also don’t know how any of their politics works.
You’re projecting a little bit. Just because you’re not educated on the politics of nations outside your own, doesn’t mean folks from other nations aren’t educated about yours. And I’m not trying to be an asshole here and call you stupid, because you’re not! It doesn’t make sense for you to learn about Belgian politics because in the end, nothing they can do will ever really affect you.
The converse is not true. American politics affects the rest of the world a great deal, and so we’re almost forced to learn about it. You’d be surprised how many Italians have an opinion about the electoral college, or gerrymandering.
You may not know about protests in Spain, but we sure as shit see yours. And we see you getting shot in the streets. And yes, you look like fucking clowns letting what semblance of a democracy you had slip from your fingers.
You may not know about protests in Spain, but we sure as shit see yours. And we see you getting shot in the streets. And yes, you look like fucking clowns letting what semblance of a democracy you had slip from your fingers.
So you can see that some of us are trying to fight this shit, but in the next sentence say we “look like fucking clowns.” I’m not sure what the message here is supposed to be. Why would the protesters, whom you acknowledge risk getting themselves shot in the streets, deserve to be insulted for actually doing something? Or did you mean that other Americans look like fucking clowns, and it’s just an unfortunate juxtaposition?
doesn’t mean folks from other nations aren’t educated about yours.
That’s what some folks from other nations presume. How does this “education” happen? Is it standardized, in textbook form, and presented in class? Or is it the whiff of familiarity that comes with seeing the same words smeared on random internet posts?
Not to dismiss the point, frequently made, that American politics has outsized influence; but to clarify that understanding what our electoral college is and what gerrymandering is are just the most basic building blocks of understanding one aspect of American politics.
More to the point, politics in America is, perhaps more than some other nations, suffused into daily life in almost every public interaction in some way, shape, or form. And presuming to have an understanding of that while never participating in that public life - and furthermore judging such aspects based on one’s non-involvement with the assuredness of a wise veteran participant - is bullshit.
More to the point, politics in America is, perhaps more than some other nations, suffused into daily life in almost every public interaction in some way, shape, or form. And presuming to have an understanding of that while never participating in that public life - and furthermore judging such aspects based on one’s non-involvement with the assuredness of a wise veteran participant - is bullshit.
I don’t accept this epistemology at all. The idea that the only way to meaningfully know about a thing is to live the thing itself is complete nonsense. “Oh you think light behaves simultaneously as a wave and as a particle? Well have you ever been a particle?” Such a joke
Such an ignorant takeaway from their comment. Great job. Read a book on anthropology or sociology.
What a long winded way of saying “ur stupid”. Thank you for your thoughtful contribution to the convo.
Are you familiar with the terms “hard sciences” and “soft sciences”?
Are you familiar with the term “thought terminating cliché”?
Yes. Are you familiar with answering a simple question?
Yeah sure whatever, let’s pretend your question wasn’t rhetorical. What you’re doing here is called weaponised standpoint epistemology. Starting from a very valid base, namely “some aspects of things you can’t know without having experienced them” you extend to “you can’t know anything unless you were there”, which is not valid. You don’t want to talk about how Americans are flushing their democracy down the toilet and doing nothing to prevent it? Fine. But I’m not going to pretend that this is anything other than you putting your head in the sand.
I’m so glad the internet is a recent thing so past citizens of fallen empires didn’t have to be called names by outsiders while being utterly powerless themselves.
Trump wanted to sneeze at the opinion of the people. I think Americans can’t do anything. They tried to protest, but it didn’t help
They tried to protest
A proper protest doesn’t have an ending time, it has ending conditions.
“We protest until the government stops the war” or “we protest until Trump is removed from office.” Not “We protest until 10pm then go back to work on Monday.”
Everyone is demanding that somebody else go and do something.
No, non-Americans are demanding that Americans handle the shit we have been telling them would happen for about three decades now.
Americans are acting like overly defensive, whiny cowards about it.
Why do I get the sense you’ve never even punched anyone in your life?
Get back under your bridge and stay there you useless do-nothing fraud.
Why do I get the sense you’ve never even punched anyone in your life?
Try again. In Saskatchewan, “never punched anyone” just meant you skipped hockey practice.
Treating us like a monolith ignores the millions of Americans who have dedicated themselves to bringing this beast down, most of us long before Trump ever took public office, some at great personal risk and consequence. We don’t assume that all Europeans are jew-scapegoating islamophobe vassal dogs who will slavishly comply with a war in Iran despite being seriously threatened with military annexation by the US within the past year, despite the optics begging that assessment, despite being poked with this “Do something, Americans!” stick only now that you too have been made materially uncomfortable (Like I’m fuckin tired boss, I have been doing something continually since Occupy Wall St when I took my first pepper spray, before they were using the more exotic chemicals). We know that despite the failure of Europeans as a whole to stop fascism on their soil before it was too late (Several times now) that there are freedom fighters over there too who dedicate their life and safety to pushing progress, and we applaud them. Even though they don’t usually get shot at or lynched by cops or shipped to a cage in another country when they get close to their goals. We know that it would be an insult and an erasure to assess them by the failures of their societies.
If you were putting yourself at risk continually we’d know your name.
You noticed that too…I guess being a cunt is the human condition. There are a lot of Americans doing something substantial right now. They get charged with terrorism if caught, and get zero honest or credible media coverage, but they are still out there engaging in real action. If everyone took it upon themselves to do whatever they could, instead of worrying/accusing everyone else of doing nothing, a lot more would get done.
It’s the 'Murican way
Right? And then i go and read the “well what can you really do” comments and it’s shit i’ve already been doing for the last 30 years. So like, it’s time for other people to step up ALSO because i am fucking tired and covered in scars from this fight already.
I can’t help but feel like a huge, huge problem is that like half the country, and of the most rich and powerful of us, are fully behind the same things that everyone else wants to gather up and blow up DC or something over. This is not like the country is united at all. Its more like half of the Americans (the poor half) are super unhappy with what’s happening and the other half absolutely love it. Makes things a lot harder.
