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I live in USA as a non-citizen permanent resident. I cannot vote, hence I only watched that election from the sidelines. My personal theory is that the reason why Trump won over Harris in 2024 is because a large number of people wanted accountability and justice over crimes against humanity that happened under Biden, and which Harris seemed to fully support. But here we are, a year and a half into Trump 2.0, and yet absolutely nothing was done on that issue, while the orange man made life hell for those who live in post-sex-change bodies (I happen to be one), made the economy even worse, and started a new war of choice.
Now bring on the downvotes…
You’re an antivaxxer, heres your down vote.
Exactly. The pattern is:
- Liberals force through an unelectable candidate that cannot cater to American voters.
- Progressives point out, “hey, this candidate is unelectable, they’re going to lose. We should choose someone that isn’t awful.”
- Liberals scream, “Shut the hell up. We’re the adults in the room. They’re centrist; by definition are more electable!”
- Progressives hold their nose and vote for the liberal shit stain anyway.
- Liberal shit stain loses despite massively winning the progressive vote.
- Liberals spend the next four years blaming their failures on progressives.
Yup. Except that “liberals” are center right corporatists that are not popular and have terribly policy ideas that no one supports.
Republicans are right-wing to far right nationalists with similar corporatist policies.
While “progressives” barely register as left on the spectrum, and their policies are not well supported by the corporatists and they have no spine.
The resulting “governance” is basically pretending to try and pass legislation until the corporate overlords threaten to fund their opponents and the policy disappears. They get to say “they tried” while still getting a paycheck and continuing to take corporate money for reelections.
Can’t, too hard to imagine a woman president in America.
Is Obama still available at that point for a “Thanks Obama” ?
Back when we had a president who could take a joke
Harris said she wouldn’t be any different than Biden, meaning she doesn’t have a spine and would have let Bibi Netanyahu and the Israeli government dog walk her with little pushback.
Genocide is an unforgivable crime that must be rejected by everyone at every station in society.
Fuck Joe Biden for not dropping from the race earlier and withholding primaries from us. Genocide Joe will earn his keep forever with that decision.
Her support for genocide was certainly a glaring weakness, but what really lost her the election is that the majority of left-leaning voters are sick of status quo corporate policies. Democrats keep trying to court the Sunday brunch crowd, when the economy is so bad that the brunch crowd doesn’t even exist anymore. The Dems have alienated the left-wing so completely that they ran fucking Liz Cheney as VP. But even that strategy was stupid because why would right wingers vote for Republicans-lite?
The veil is starting to fall on US politics, and the people starting to realize that American Democracy is a dream, not reality.
Democrats spent the 2024 Presidential Election courting Republicans, even far right Democrats, instead of banking on a populist leftist platform of people over profits.
The ultimate manifestation of the base rejecting that ethos was in the Palestinian freedom movement.
Former President Biden failed in regard to the Middle East, but the MAGA fucknuts shit the bed on a greater scale.
Genocide is genocide. US foreign policy is US foreign policy, regardless of party.
Yeah… Nevermind all the good shit people do… Lets focus 200% on this single issue and then vote for a convicted criminal with lots of rape accusations.
The problem is that the right wing supported Trump (because they believed him). And, then, there were people on the left wing who attacked Harris, and drowned out their good policies.
Either Harris nor biden are at fault. It’s people like you.
So, instead of electing someone who is a bit shit, you elected someone who is 1200% shit
Congrats on making racism a thing again worldwide.
I agree with what you’ve said but I don’t think this person actually voted Trump.
If I were to guess, based on their message alone they probably didn’t vote, or cast it for some random with no chance.
You could argue that not voting, or wasting the vote, is akin to voting for Trump. But regardless, I agree that people with the OPs mindset helped trump her elected and made everything worse for everyone… Except billionaires
I voted for Kamala.
I didn’t endorse her, and I criticized her until the very last moment. But I swallowed the pill because she was a better choice than Trump.
She had every opportunity from when Biden dropped to Election Day to ride her hype wave to success. But instead, she told Walz to shut up with his populist leftist speech, told everyone at the DNC that she wants the “world’s most lethal military”, said she’d be no different from Biden, and all the while wasted 1 BILLION DOLLARS IN THE PROCESS.
Kamala’s campaign was the worst fumble in recent political history. It mocks all the effort Bernie Sanders had to go through TWICE.
Waste of a candidate, and waste of an election.
In the current US voting system, not voting Harris was functionally the same as voting Trump. You always need to vote for the lesser evil unless you want the greater evil in a two party system.
That is pretty valid. Him not dropping out did rob us of our primaries and our choice. I wonder if that was their plan all along.
How ironic…
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Chicks, amirite fellas?
Nope. You’re wrong.
2024 voters were like: “Why doesn’t this bitch acknowledge that the cost of living is killing us?”
It’s that simple.
Because anyone paying attention knows that Democrats are always better for our economy. So anyone bitching about the cost of living had a really easy decision to make in 2024.
Democrats may be better for traditional markers of the economy, but 50 years of neoliberalism from both parties has resulted in a K-shaped economy. One that is great if you already have wealth (which is what things like GDP and inflation tell you), but one that is terrible and getting worse if you are a regular person. Neither party has done anything to actually fix the systemic issues that caused this, so when status-quo Dems claim to be better for working people, we can all see that for the lie it is.
IIRC she had outlined some policies in her platform that would have helped with that.
Her and her flying monkeys also gaslit the American people. There was very much a “speak no evil, hear no evil” head-in-the-sand attitude to her whole campaign. The campaign, and liberals on social media, just kept blindly parroting the official CPI figures. They would scream down and downvote to oblivion anyone who dared go against the party line, pointing out the well known flaws of the CPI measurement.
Liberals believe in manifesting. It’s the “power of positive thinking” taken to the extreme, into the realm of toxic positivity. Their belief system is that if you believe a thing hard enough, and if you prevent anyone from saying anything to the contrary, the universe will conspire to make your desired reality come into being. If you shout down any negative criticism, you will win.
That’s what the Harris campaign was like. It was horribly flawed. It had a number of campaign positions that made Harris completely unelectable. They tried to vibe their way to victory. Unfortunately, manifesting isn’t real, and they smacked right into the hard unyielding wall of reality.
Like the $50,000 tax break for small business owners? Lol
That’s pretty specific for an outline
There was essentially no policy to help with cost of living. That’s what I’m trying to point out. That was one of the bullshit policies she was running with. And I fuckin voted for her lol
And I fuckin voted for her lol
Good. You did the least stupid thing you could have done in the last election.
I did, too. It was the first time I had ever voted to keep someone else out of the chair. So stupid
Sometimes that’s the way you have to play the game.
Most voters decided to play it stupid. And now here we are.
I mean politicians always have great ideas until they get elected.
“Concept of a plan” is way better than whatever was in the Dems election program.
People can’t read, intelligence is on a normal distribution. You know where that poster above you is on that curve.
She did, Biden did too - that inflation wave after covid was inevitable after reopening from covid, and then they got it under control but for some reason everyone ignored that and voted for trump saying “lower prices on day one”
Another one kamala had no platform besides not trump – also not true she talked about all her policies she has the website with like a thousand different policies – but nobody wanted to see that the media just made the election about trump.
At the end of the day, trump is the president we deserve as a people, we love wrestling and crypto and gambling more than we love affordable housing and healthcare. Maybe not you specifically, and me certainly not, but the average american, that’s what they want. this whitehouse ufc event is gonna do bigger numbers than any Mayweather fight ever. That’s what the people chose.
Trump literally ran without a platform both times. The RNC basically said, “Whatever he wants is our platform.” So it’s understandable why Dems thought Kamala could get away without talking about the party’s platform. They were trying to match the vibes-based campaign model.
She talked about her platform a lot, if the media only highlighted a 15 second paragraph about trump, that’s not on her. That’s on the media and the people being obsessed with trump, positively or negatively.
“I have no empathy…no empathy.”
“No you’re only getting 600 because we decided to include the last payments which ads up to $1,200 so we’re keeping our promise technically.”
That’s pretty much what people remember about Biden’s concern for their financial woes.
it’s that simple
Sure thing bud
It’s ironic that you can’t resist using misogynistic language even as you deny misogyny was a factor.
Imagine someone denying race was a factor while calling her the nword.
Nope. You’re wrong.
There’s alot of factors that led to where we are now.
It’s not simple at all actually.
You and everyone that thinks like you is responsible for Trump winning. Congratulations MAGAt.
Is my policy shit? No, it’s the voters who are wrong.
Yes. Let’s keep absolving voters for the most obvious voting blunder in American history.
Let’s keep absolving voters for going with the twice impeached convicted felon and adjudicated rapist with one failed presidency under his belt instead of the highly educated non-criminal but admittedly milquetoast alternative.
Voters don’t have any responsibility, right?
Can you show me with quotes when I said the voters don’t have any responsibility?
I just said that the DNC has a shit conservative platform. That’s blaming the DNC, not voters.
At some point, if you choose the fascist pedo felon over literally anything, including Bush term 4, its on you
Where did I say I chose that?
Do you also blame workers for the actions of their CEOS?
Workers don’t elect their CEOs, so this comparison doesn’t work.
No one voted to nominate Harris either. So what’s your point?
I mean Harris’ policy did explicitly address most of the concerns everyday Americans have but the overwhelming majority of them, including apparently you, don’t have any idea what her actual policies were, they just repeat what fox news told them to think.
I followed her campaign closely. The only policy she had was a first time homeowner credit that was written so almost no one would qualify for it, and it would have only served to bid home prices up even further.
And clearly Harris’s policies did not meet the concerns of everyday Americans, as she lost to one of the least qualified candidates in American history.
I know this is very painful to accept. But Trump actually spoke more to the issues of the American people than Harris did. Compare the messages:
Trump: I will improve your standard of living by deporting millions of brown people. This will ease the housing supply and tighten the labor market, thereby helping the average white person.
Harris: you’re imagining the inflation you’re experiencing. I don’t give a fuck about your opinions on Gaza; your voice doesn’t matter. Vote for me unless you want the Nazi to win.
And then people wonder why she lost. Trump actually talked to the needs of the average voter. He had a concrete plan on how to help his base. That plan was evil and abominable, but he actually made a compelling case. Kamala didn’t even try.
It turns out “I don’t give a shit about you, vote for me or the Nazi will win” is a strategy you can only pull so many times. It’s been the Democratic campaign message for every election for my whole adult life. And at this point it’s lost all effectiveness.
The real problem was that you can’t run on the other guy being a Nazi after your side just refused to bring them to justice. Biden ran on “the other guy is a Nazi.” But once in power, he didn’t treat them like you’re supposed to treat Nazis. His campaign message was that Trump was a unique threat, but he treated them like ordinary political opposition once he was in office.
Actions speak louder than words. Harris tried to run a campaign that was directly countered by Biden’s actions for the last four years. What was the average voter supposed to conclude but that Democrats were lying about Trump being a Nazi?
This is a condemnation of the average American. We failed an open book test and here you are saying it’s not our fault. Yeah buddy it is.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t have to shop for their own groceries.
I think you just like blaming voters. You’re demonstrating the same political proclivities as a Republican who blames the homeless for being homeless. After all, poor people should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right? If they’re poor, it’s their own fault. Why consider any other factors when we could just call lazy people lazy?
I haven’t watched Fox News since the early 90’s. Wanna cool up a new fantasy about who I am again? It’s very entertaining for me.
I haven’t watched Fox News since the early 90’s.
Then what’s your excuse?
My excuse for what?
I assume people that repeat stupid republican bullshit are stupid republicans. This seems like a you problem.
Saying “I disagree with weak neoliberal policy instead of progressive reforms” is republican now. Interesting. Thanks for the entertainment!
Congrats on being on the extreme minority that thinks killing and raping children is morally justified.
Congratulations on voting for Trump, by putting yourself on a moralistic high horse.
I voted for Harris, I’m not campaigning for her literally years after the election though like you are, only a literal pedophile would do that.
You are a petulant child that is complaining that they didn’t have the choice they wanted, years after the fact.
I don’t campaign for anyone. My beliefs prohibit me from joining a political party. I vote for the lesser evil, as I understand that is the best option I’m going to have.
YES BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER ELECTION IN 5 FUCKING MONTHS AND ANOTHER ONE IN TWO YEARS BOTH OF WHICH YOU PEOPLE ARE ALREADY GIVING UP ON BY SUGGESTING WE DO THE EXACT SAME THING AND ELECT MORE PEDOPHILES.
Because you fucking people ‘vote for the lesser evil.’ It doesn’t work. It’s never worked. Things didn’t get better under Obama or Biden. Things got quieter for the middle class Americans that ‘just want to be at brunch.’
Just fucking stop voting for the lesser evil. Vote for the policies you actually fucking want regardless of what colour tie the person has. Congrats you’re actually doing a democracy at that point. What you people are advocating for is objectively not democracy, it’s a dictatorship.
And what in the actual fuck do you think you’re talking about?
Some of the non voting idiots keep trying to claim the moral high ground, by claiming that by not voting they opposed the genocide perpetrated by the Israeli government.
Of course that ignores the fact that they default voted for Trump by not voting.
Anyone supporting Harris actively this many months later is objectively a pedophile. That is the only possible excuse there could be to support a genocidal politician who actively defended child rapists and killers with her policies.
“oh but there was no other choice” that does not change today. That does not change right now. Voting under duress for the slightly better option does not give you the right nor encouragement to keep supporting a literal monster years later like you have some type of better morality. You don’t. Anyone that supported the Harris/Biden regime is objectively a nazi. Yes, so are Magats, you’re not special for pointing that out.
Vote quietly when you’re backed into a corner and then never fucking admit it. Dont support the pedophile for fucking years because you think you would be slightly better off (while everyone else would be just as fucked).
What a stupid shitty fuckin troll account.
I’m sorry you’re too stupid to understand people can criticize your chosen pedophile representative.
Totally man.
It’s my fault people can’t afford to live in this country.
You and people like you, yes.
When you do work to get republicans elected, like you’re doing right now, then yes it’s your fault explicitly. Being too stupid to understand that cause and effect does not absolve you of your responsibility.
This isn’t the flex you think it is. You think you’re saying how much smarter you are to not be tricked but what you are really saying is your leaders can’t win without help from the people you despise.
I’m not flexing. I’m saying most Americans are incredibly stupid. I’m saying a full third of us are outright bigot fascists that actively want to say slurs in public and hate crime minorities. I’m saying another full third of us (you’re in this group) are too stupid or self absorbed to acknowledge that third party and non voters directly contribute to republicans getting elected. Of the remaining third, most don’t vote in Dem primaries so we have no progressive condition. I’m saying that the American Federal government is largely representative of the average American that is too stupid or mean to just vote in their own best interest (which yes for my entire life has meant explicitly voting democrat in every election). You are the American that has earned and deserves Trump. Reevaluate your priorities.
Bullshit removal of all my comments, classic shit ass lemmy modding making reddit look fuckin reasonable.
I voted for Harris, try again. I am at least willing to recognize where her campaign could have done better, because like you, I recognize we need those voters who went 3rd party (or stayed at home) in order to win. Unlike you, I hold leadership accountable for failing to inspire an electorate large enough to win.
Register if needed to vote in the primaries and get everyone you know to do that too and always vote for progressives in the primaries. That’s how you hold leadership accountable, by gaining the actual power to replace it. The democratic party is not a coalition of leftists and progressives. It’s a big tent party filled with everyone from nazi adjacent to the closest thing to a socialist American politics can muster. If all us leftists and progressives actually fuckin voted and otherwise engaged in the electoral process we’d have an actual opposition party. Till then the political reality is that every vote that isn’t for a democrat is explicitly for maga, and repeating fox news criticisms of democrats helps elect republicans.
I vote in the primaries but last I checked there was no primary for POTUS in the last election cycle. And no, repeating valid criticisms of democrats does not automatically mean you are helping Republicans win. To think that requires a staggering amount of cynicism towards voters that one wonders why you are even trying to reason with said voters
…too stupid or self absorbed to acknowledge that third party and non voters directly contribute to republicans getting elected.
yeah, don’t all those gun-toting, small-government Libertarian voters know that they owe it to the Democrat party to vote for their candidate so their evil Republican enemy can’t win?
Whats a "D next to a candidates name even mean anymore? Besides limping a system along which doesnt care about any of my issues and sends my taxes to a nazi theocratic foreign country to shoot little starving kids in the head for sport. We need to keep all this going you are saying, cant allow it to change or fall apart?
Yeah I’ll get right on that.
You’re either an idiot or an accelerationist and either way don’t deserve to be taken seriously.
Being AIPACS buttboy makes you the smart one eh. OK buddy, sure thing.
Pretty sure that further impoverishing people and expanding the MIC was her platform too.
Bi-partisan support for attacks on the oppressed.
Depends.
Is this woman overtly bigoted and does she constantly demonize half of U.S. citizens?
If so, then she’d have staunch support of all conservative voters regardless of what else she does.
Nope. Nobody voted for Nikki Haley in the primaries.
“a women president” I think the pendulum has swung back too far. You can use “female” if it’s in adjective form, that is in fact normal.
Trump is femme/queer coded as hell.
The jazz hands, the makeup, the camp interior design.
The beautiful younger wife whose main purpose is to symbolise traditional heteronormative stability, but clearly is not romantically involved.
and yeah the ballroom
He posted this on Truth Social, then deleted it.
Didn’t he also wax lyrical about some guys massive cock as well??
The talking about all the strong, beautiful men around him, the obsession with watching mostly naked muscular men wrestling with each other…
His weird dance where he’s wanking two guys at once…
Also, out of all the timeless classics from that period, he specifically latched on to Village people’s YMCA as his favorite song, but only because he likes the music, guys…
I’d be having brunch right now
Imagine if Biden and the DNC had the brains to pick a capable woman with the actual skills to do the job instead of a genocidal failure who stood for nothing, can barely manage to stumble through a speech, and couldnt lead her way out of a paper bag! Its not like there arent plenty of capable women to do that job. The DNC screwed everyone with that and we lost to one of the lamest republicans anyone can imagine. The party is ready to implode at this point due to incompetence and bribery by genociders.
She was still a better pick than the turd in office right now. But Americans are too brainrotted to accept and correct their own failures.
you keep trying this “lesser of two evils” “lets court the middle” “strategy” and it never works. When will you learn this. Your strategy wont win future election, its practically designed to lose. The last time you tried you eroded the base in every measurable demographic except 1, did you even notice that? EVERYONE in the dems hates this approach.
I don’t want to engage this early as I just woke up; I think a lot of poeple arguing your type of way are paid agents to help corrode western democracy
But
Your side seems to omit the fact that the democrats were fighting a systematic takeover of the media to brainwash as many not-as-politically-engaged people as possible. A take over the likes of the US have never seen before and it’s culmination happening with Trump. A campaign to fully take over the US which worked wonders for them.
The tan suit and spicy mustard debacle actually riled people up because certain media was running it constantly. Media that was brainwashing millions to hate democrats for every and any little things. Media that planted the idea that thinking like a democrat was any harsh word you didnt want to be associated with.
So although the lesser of two evils plan was still in effect, the (wayyy) lesser evil wasn’t literally the hate mongering messiah put in place by a decades long plan to overtake the media at its literal peak of execution
a systematic takeover of the media to brainwash as many not-as-politically-engaged people as possible. A take over the likes of the US have never seen before
Is this your first encounter with politics or something? There’s no way you actually think this is the first time America of all places has used the media to radicalise its populace.
wasn’t literally the hate mongering messiah put in place by a decades long plan to overtake the media at its literal peak of execution
Is this your first time reading? Theres no way you read one sentence that didn’t sit right with you and jump to conclusions
Yeah yeah, Trump is special an unique and the world has never seen anything like him before, except like… Nearly every single previous US president. So once again - are you new to American politics, or is your head stuffed so far up your arse you genuinely think any part of this is new or different?
So I’m convinced people like you are out here to waste people’s time and energy on comment wars instead of putting that time into doing something actually productive so I’m just going to cut if off here and go help people IRL
You’re a loser. Talk to you never!
Best point in the thread
Did you vote for Harris?
Did you vote “uncommitted” in the primary to show your party that supporting War Crimes was not a negotiable to you? I did.
I suppose you went with voting Biden-- despite his ill health-- signalling you’d sacrifice literally everything to do what you’re told (become a party to the DNC sellout of all of our votes, and become utterly owned by foreign genocidal fascist theocrats) and then you lost anyway after you whored yourself to them with some failed lesser evil strategizing that sounded smart to you at the time. How did that pan out, did you win? Was your strategizing validated? Did you get the dems to support what you feel is important to our society? Maybe I’m wrong and yours was the path to winning?
We’ve all done this same conversation before right-- Heres the part where you try to “blame” me for the fact that you sold out and got nothing, and then I tell you that I owe you nothing, that you disgust me, that I dont care about your complaints, and that we’ll do this again for every election from now on until you REALLY understand that lesser evilism + pivot rightward for votes strategy will never win. By that time my strategy of accelerationism will have kicked in-- those destroyers of our civilization do work fast! and we’ll go hunting fascists together. We’ll get along fine then. Looking fwd to it.
You and I both want the same things, but we disagree on the path to getting them.
What primary?
exactly. But in case you are not kidding, this primary:
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/06/1236295096/super-tuesday-results-uncommitted-biden-gaza-israel
that’s a lot of words that, ultimately, didn’t answer the damn question.
In 2024, Americans were presented with a basic IQ test. Who did you vote for?
I told you supporting war crimes was non-negotiable and not for sale, so use your noggin and do the math, who did I vote for? And who will I vote for going forward? This isnt complicated. It never was, and it never will be.
You talk of basic IQ tests, lets see if you have basic reading comprehension. Go ahead, the information is all there already.
Ok, so clearly you failed the test.
Did you get what you wanted out of this? Has the genocide been stopped? That one issue that prevented you from using the rest of your braincells?
I can straight up tell you right there right now, we are not the same. We don’t want the same things. Not even remotely close.
I share nothing in common with stupid people who looked at Trump, looked at Harris, and thought “wow, i’d rather have Trump.”
It’s by design. It’s not that they can’t find capable candidates in a population of 340+ million people, that would be rediculously incompetent. Their candidates are just exactly what the DNC wants: status quo. The DNC is nothing but conservative at this point, and they’d rather lose, than risk a socialist candidate who will break the status quo.
Trump a women confirmed
Haven’t you seen those pics of his old mom…it’s him
Oh yes.
Love it when people pretend that Democrats support something because they offered a sound byte. 🤟😎
What mattered was that they didn’t do anything meaningful to solve the problem.
Exactly.
Biden November 2020: “Vote for me, the other guy is a Nazi!” Biden January 2021: “I couldn’t possibly order the prosecution of my political opponent, best to just move on!” Harris November 2024: “Vote for me, the other guy is a Nazi!”
Actions speak louder than words. If you don’t treat the Nazis like they’re actually Nazis, people will not believe you when you say the other guys are Nazis.
