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      On the contrary: MAGA is the truest expression of conservatism the US has ever had.

      Craving to be subjugated and ruled by a dictator is and always was what conservatism has been about, all the way back to literal monarchists Burke and de Maistre. Any other definitions about “conserving” or whatever are just lies they tell to bullshit their marks.

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      I’ve really been meaning to stop referring to them as conservatives. It’s harder than you’d think after all this time.

      Traitors seems like an appropriate fit.

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      MAGA was, and is, socially conservative to the point that they are willing to back a fascist to get their pet issues pushed through.

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        Not even that

        Magats are just pro fascism, period. They WANT fascism because in their heads, a fascist government would support THEM and allow them to mistreat and attack those they dont like.

        Now that they’re finding out that a fascist government will just mistreat and attack everyone including them, they got buyers remorse

        But make no mistake; given the chance, they would fuck everyone over. Magats are just narcissists with psychopathic tendencies.

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          Same goes for the far left unfortunately. Just look at them praising Putin in Russia, Xi in China and Kim in North Korea.

          Extremism is bad no matter the shape

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        The only thing conservative I’ve seen out of this administration is lack of abortion, and removing LGBT rights, everything else is authoritarian which is not conservative.

        Conservatives tend to make room for the libertarian right, that room is now gone.

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          The right has always preferred the rule of the few over the many, ever since the days of colonial America and the Loyalists. First, the rule of the King of England. Then, opposing slaves’ rights. Then, opposing women’s suffrage. It has pretty much always been their opinion that the powerless are powerless because they deserve it.

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          There never was and never will be a “libertarian right”. Conservatism is for conserving a strict top-down hierarchy and always has been.

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            Sure there is. Libertarian-Right = Extreme Selfishness.

            That’s why their top issues are shit like “you can’t make me…”

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            Libertarianism had a left to right bent. I know the popular meme is libertarians are just conservatives that want to smoke weed but there really is a libertarian right.

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              I’ve been told I’m a secret Republican double agent for decades.

              Still independent, still vote for Ds more often than not in national elections. UNFATHOMABLE

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            The libertarian party was literally created by billionaires to advocate for their preferred tax policy without leding people who wanted legal weed or gay marriage. It’s a nonsense ideology

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          Because they stuck to the “conservative” party. It’s grossly ignorantly conservative, but that’s a bit redundant to say on top of the US sort of “conservative”…

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          It turns out the actual values they were protecting the whole time was impunity for the privileged. It was never about anything else and now that we know that we should stop pretended otherwise. There’s nothing good about social conservative values and we don’t have to respect those values are the people who are advocating for them.

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      Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

      That’s MAGA.