Editorial: If the ceasefire holds, Donald Trump’s ill-starred foray into the Middle East will have left the Iranian regime stronger than it was before the conflict
  • RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Americans, especially the Government, all have a collective delusion that the United States place in the world is just the way it was right after WW2 and nothing will ever change it. Over the next decade or so, reality will continue setting in…

    • CyberTheProtogen@lemmy.zip
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      2 months ago

      Emphasis on the government… and those uneducated southerners who think that a pedophile makes a better president than a woman

  • nonentity@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    The US has been on the losing side of every armed conflict it’s been involved with for the past 80 years.

    Its current “leadership” believes that streak is at least twice that.

    • Pirate2377@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Didn’t America win the war with Iraq though? I could be wrong since I’m not super informed on the war in Iraq, but we militarily defeated Saddam Hasan. Other than that though, if you count both sides in the Korean War as losers, then you’re right

      • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
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        2 months ago

        They won the opening act, and the operation was one of the best ever pulled off but they lost the overall conflict when they had to abandon Iraq. Although Gulf War 1 and 2 are studied as examples of great execution of a military strike campaign. The issue is that unlike the Gulf Wars where the us did strikes then claimed the win (with some oil set on fire), in 2003 they did the strikes, then stuck around. The us never wins in a conflict where they have to hold conquered ground, they are really bad with it. I can’t think of a time they have succeeded, WW1 and 2 they did not have to hold territory alone, and more or less liberated and joint occupied places, in Korea they fucked up and got China involved leading to a never ending conflict that is still technically going, they got their ass kicked out of Vietnam, Bay of pigs was a failure before it really got anywhere, and then there is Afghanistan a total mess.

        The wild part to me is that a lot of these conflicts are listed as US wins, or inconclusive when by any real measure they where all massive fuck ups. This last one with Iran did not even get to a point where the US was even getting to the point they where threatened Iran’s government, let alone an occupation. Like it was not even possible for the states to get to the point of prior wars before, no real way to invade and not just have massive losses, no real way to hurt Iran outside of war crimes (they did those too but to little effect on Iran’s ability to rule). This “war” I think was more impactful as the end of the us empire’s mythos, they just showed the world they have very real limits and are no longer the super power they have claimed to be.

  • melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    usa could have won the war but trump had a date with a tween at a very crucial juncture in the negotiations and missed a “war winning” opportunity. /s

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    2 months ago

    We got a black eye and we deserved it. Someone should bloody our nose, too, to make sure we got the message. Fucking stupid.

  • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    MoU or not, an unstable region has been rendered even more dangerous by the unforced war of choice launched and America. The world will be coping with its repercussions for months, if not years.

    Yeah, the Middle East is inherwntly unstable and then this totally unrelated foreign meddling happened. ::eyeroll::

  • Optional@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Man who would have thought that the most incompetent and unqualified demented rapist to ever hold the office would be played like a fucking fiddle.

    • mgrecca2026@lemmy.zip
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      2 months ago

      he is the only idiot out of all the surviving US presidents to agree to Netanyahu’s idea of bombing Iran

  • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I wonder if his base has figured any of this out yet.

    Someone needs to explain this to them: they were told to be endlessly enraged about 1.7 billion and something something Obama (known for Presidenting while being black, which is a crime in itself of course).

    First they probably need to be told that 300 is greater than 1.7, and that 1.7 goes into 300 many many times over. Just over 176 times.

    That is not a better “deal” than what we had under Obama.

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    2 months ago

    Iran gained political ground, and America lost political ground, and has to pay $300 million on top of it. That’s pretty much the definition of losing.

  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    No, we didn’t lose.

    We surrendered.

    And you know what? Sure. That’s the right move. We shouldn’t have fucking invaded them to begin with.

    Fucking Trump. What a goddamn moronic dumbass he is.

    • pigup@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      What a goddamn moronic dumbass he is prolific executor and efficient implementer of putin’s and xi’s blackmail demands on him

      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
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        2 months ago

        Pretty sure you have to have shame to be blackmailed. We all know what trump did, he doesn’t give a shit.

        • pigup@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          Bro, there is video and picture evidence this guy joyously ritualistically torturing, raping, and killing children and babies.

          In case you you haven’t had your soul ripped out yet, go on a little quest to find out what “u9 red pizza party” means in the Epstein files.

          He’s not running away from shame. He’s running away from the death penalty.

      • AreaKode@riskeratspizza.com
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        2 months ago

        THE BIGGEST, BESTEST, MOST WONDERFUL MENTIONS I THE EPSTEIN FILES. THE LIKES NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN! EVERYONE IS SAYING SO!

        • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          2 months ago

          FIFA wants to give the a new prise they just made for me, the world piece (of shit) price for the most honorably mentions in the Epstein files. It even comes with a medal.

        • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          2 months ago

          Don’t forget the Trump files, that Epstein collected on him for the Mossad to force them into war together with Israel if needed, like with Iran for example, and which Epstein also sold pieces of to Putin.

            • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              2 months ago

              Mate, it’s literally documented that Epstein was gaining blackmail material on his guests because he was being paid by the Mossad. Next to that the leaks from the Kremlin said Putin has blackmail material on Trump as well, which are Epstein file related things.

              Chemtrails, flat earth, fake moonlanding, lizard people etc are all bullshit conspiracies. Epstein working for the Mossad is just proven fact, as well as him gaining blackmail evidence on his guests including diaper Donny.

              The idea Israel is using this blackmail material in these times where the Epstein files keep on being a bugger to Trump, to pull the US into a war with Iran, is indeed a conspiracy. But it’s one that actually has a high probability of being factual true.