that’s it. nothing more to really add to it. it’s quite simple.
Why are people cropping out signatures?
i don’t fucking know. some people are merely posting the versions they find and sharing comics they love. some people are actively defacing beauty and it hurts my soul (yes i am being overly dramatic i am a DIVA QUEEN y’all know this)
The way to hell is paved with good intensions…
The current proposal is not specific enough: With your proposal every post effectively requires an artist signature. There will always be some valid reason why there is none. Also who should check/enforce this? The single non-existing mod? xD
Keep it simpler and make a rule that says: Content created by somebody else requires attribution.
Attribution could be an artist signature in the comic, the name of the artist in the description or a link to the original source in a comment.
If there is no signature to begin with it cannot be cropped out
My good dude, hell has the good food, the good music, the good wine, even the good Nixon(below) (the evil one went to heaven, have you seen the kind of people that go there?).
If I were to indulge in pedantry, the rule would be against cropping signatures, not requiring they exist. If it’s unsigned then there’s nothing to crop. I like your phrasing much better though, require attribution if you have it.
This comment alone should qualify you to become the second non-existing mod
I disagree strongly.
I recommend adding a encouragement for watermark free comics.
Lol, this guy.
LOL this dude.
Why?
Don’t like looking at ads.
You think that giving artists credit for their work is the same as “looking at ads”?
I’m speechless. Truly dumbfounded. There are so many ways to respond, and none of them quite suit the unique situation that’s going on in your head.
My friend, it’s not an ad. It’s “hey, I did this. This is my work.”
The ad is “here is more of my work and this is how much it costs”. Do you see that in a watermark or signature? Ads encourage the exchange of money.
I respect that you hold this opinion, but like, one of my best friends is an illustrator and this kind of stuff hurts his feelings. Hurting his feelings hurts my feeling and i only got one. It’s personal to me, you know?
I understand not wanting watermarks on like, a wallpaper community but comics?
Unless it’s a maga political cartoon. Otherwise yes.
Even then I still think citations are important. Gotta know where to throw tomatoes and cabbages
MOTION TO MAKE A RULE THAT USING ALL CAPS IS AGAINST THE RULES
OVERRULED
COUNTER-PROPOSAL: CROPPING THE ARTIST’S SIGNATURE IS NOW MANDATORY.
I would go a step further and suggest that only links to official sources are allowed. But I know that would be very unpopular.
Obviously I use and enjoy this community, but we could be contributing more traffic to their official sources. I cannot imagine more than a tiny fraction of a percent of people will see a comic image posted here and then go seek out the artist’s official sources.
I am in favour.
Aye
Here here
FYI it’s “hear hear”
It’s:
Where? Where??
There! There!!
You also need some way to validate that its not interface specific. The amount of threads that ive been in that have had people complaining that the artist name was cropped, but in my app (voyager) ive been able to see the whole image, is too damn high.
On other hand there are those who say they intentionally removed them because they don’t like them.
But either way if interface cutting it off would be easy to show for the mods or others I thread
seems like the answer in that situation would be to ban those posters.
Exactly, but my guess is that poster is one of the main reasons for this rule change request
A good number of strips will be pre-cropped, or the equivalent. So what you’d really want when the signature’s missing is to have the poster do reverse-image as necessary so as to identify the creator, making sure to include that information.
There’s also the fact that doubtless there will be posters ignoring such a rule / guideline, ideally necessitating mod intervention. Meanwhile, the one and only mod looks like they haven’t been active in a month.
¯\(ツ)/¯
It is possible to add more mods. Maybe OP is interested.
So what you’d really want when the signature’s missing is to have the poster do reverse-image […]
Nah, they can just not perpetuate stolen art. Keep it easy.
Sure, wave your magic wand and make that happen.
Sir, this is a post about discussing posting rules?
Yeah, and I’m implying that things aren’t going to happen just by wishful thinking.
having a rule tells people “hey we want attribution in the strip so get those versions”
Also, if you like the strip and have the time, help the person out and put up a signature or post the original with a signature, while reminding them that they should have posted a signature as well. These communities are a team effort.
True. Assuming they pay any attention to that one out of an unusually long list of sidebar rules. That doesn’t change the mod situation, either, and you’d need a mod to actually add that rule.
Here’s an idea: add easily accessible links so that even those less technologically inclined can easily reverse image search. Since many younger users are moving to Lemmy, they might not fully understand all the rules you’re trying to enforce.
This is A. Good. Point.
If i actually lose my mind and agree to mod this sub in a few months i’m saving this so i can come back to it, I have to look up how to reverse image search every damn time. And one of my first jobs was working IT building computers and programming bullshit dammit I’m not completely tech naive, just stuck in windows 7 because fuck you microsoft.
anyways, thank you Rusty, I am making you Honorary Something. Whatever it is, whenever we think of it, you are it. That was a great idea.If it makes you feel any better, my laptop is still on Windows 7 lol. 🫡
So is my airgapped backup
There’s a great addon for Firefox, ‘Search by Image’, which can open reverse search engines straight from the context menu. Not very useful for those who aren’t chronically online, of course.
Also, of all the search engines, Yandex is great at finding larger image sizes which are typically the originals (or upscales or poor crops). Afaik Tineye stopped updating years ago.
Are there ways this could be implemented though that would not punish people who accidentally posted the wrong one though. You have a good idea, but we also have very few contributors on Lemmy and we don’t want to discourage that either.
i mean we don’t have to make it a bannable offense, we just have to say “hey, go find the original if you can”. it’s a pretty relaxed community right?
sounds like the approach I’d appreciate.
Also, than you for the mod work.
someone’s gotta step up
Unlike Reddit, it’s possible to edit the link a post links to after the fact, so it’s possible to swap in an uncropped link later instead of just removing the post.
This is the key. If someone shares something that may have the attribution missing or is too jpg, the post link can be edited to the better version.
If users are posting too many comics that are missing attribution without following through to update post links to versions with them, then they’ll get the book thrown at them and won’t be allowed to post anymore.
I’d be in favor of that. Not an instant ban rule but more of a “No link provided, please use TinEye or something to find the original and update your post”
Images with the creator’s name cropped shouldn’t be shared anyway, plus they’re usually deep-fried and look like a blurry mess. People should be looking for originals to replace the crappy quality ones.
Well, woulda-coulda-shoulda. It’s nice that people are willing to make suggestions and discuss the issue, but in cases like this, it actually needs someone to join the mod team here and then apply their vigilance on an ongoing basis towards stuff that broke the rules.
There are some good suggestions in the comments, like providing a link on how to reverse image search to the sidebar to make it easier to find originals. It would be best if it were something that was encouraged rather than strictly enforced.
For Firefox, there’s a super-handy extension that lets you right-click on an image and then gives you a choice of eight different services (or all of them) to reverse-image search. I use it all the time.
Regardless, even going in the low-maintenance ‘suggestion, not a hard guideline’ route would require an active mod here to at the very least add the suggestion to the sidebar. Currently, there isn’t one, seemingly. This gets in to sort of a Meta issue about communities that get abandoned to some extent. It’s a real problem across the Fediverse, and I don’t believe enough collective focus is happening to deal with the issue.
If you look at this thread, it’s full of people saying, “yeah, let’s do this!” and “cool, sounds good!” but nobody in a position to act is effectively listening. This is what it looks like when there’s a bunch of chatter and nothing actually happens, sort of like a loud protest that doesn’t actually change anything.
Yeah, if there’s no active mod it’s a non-starter. But people don’t have any reason to know that’s the case. Considering how relatively big this community is (for Lemmy) it’s impressive it functions without a human mod as well as it does.
I would say it’ll catch people who find a comic already stripped of attribution and want to reshare it, but that’s fine - the onus of fixing that / properly sourcing it should be on the one (re)sharing it.
honestly this is mostly because i’m about to bike out and help my comic book buddy with his taxes. but c’mon people, be respectful to the artists.
Don’t know if I get a vote here, but I am strongly in favour — especially as you’ve said that it’s not necessarily going to be a bannable offence. I think that rules can serve as a valuable statement of intention — like virtue signalling, except without the negative connotations of that term
everyone gets a vote and no one gets a vote. I just wanted to spark a discussion and get consensus
this ain’t my art. this is your art.
also: LIGHT MODE AAA
yeah fair, unless if it’s stonetoss
Might even be funnier if it’s a completely distorted version of his comic but it still has his signature
i mean okay but if i decide to mod i reserve the right to be a petty tyrant around pebblespew comics
fair but they banned
