I don’t think about you at all
Creates and posts a meme depicting an imaginary interaction, because they don’t think about it.
Well, I wrote my own operating system using the Malbolge language. Suck it normies
is your OS usable by anyone that isn’t you? because i’ve written a few programs (for work) and made them intentionally obtuse to fuck over anyone who tried to steal my work.
Large majority of windows users never have a single thought about Linux users because they don’t know Linux exists.
So, True.
Oh.
Well, the exact reverse of this was and has been my mental state for years now, untill a seemingly insecure Windows user here apparently felt the need to insinuate the opposite is actually case.
Evangelizing?
No, I don’t do that.
I answer some questions that some people have, where they’re initiating things.
Occasionally this elicits a REEEE type response from a Windows user… which I can usually counter with ‘I actually used to work for MSFT… that’s why I am now a linux user.’
Oh god, I remember that guy now. He would post vague linux memes that weren’t really for or against linux, then shit on linux in the comments. He made his own communities that he would solely post to. I blocked him after I realize he wasn’t going to get bored very quickly.
Linuxsucks community. Mudhunter or madhunter or something.
Found it. Madthumbs. He’s still posting several anti linux memes a day. The guy has some sort of mental illness.
Is this really a thing to hate on someone for their operating system?
Like, I use a computer to browse sites like this, play games, and do simple shit like writing (film) scripts, or playing around in Excel.
operating system never has ever crossed my mind.
I do sometimes feel bad for MS Windows users. I rarely “hate on” them, but that largely depends on their reaction my inability / unwillingness to use the communication/collaboration tools and data formats they are used to.
Why? They use a different product than you do. How does that affect you in any way?
Yes, go to the linuxsucks community. Seems like one guy spends all his time making anti-linux propaganda. If you point out the misinformation portions he bans you.
That’s dumb. It’s a fucking computer. If you’re able to use it, who cares. If people use a different system who fucking cares? It doesn’t affect anyone but yourself.
Microsoft and Apple are steering the computing space in a very anti-consumer space. So for many people, it is more than just an OS, but an ethical statement.
The less people use Windows and MacOS, the less sway they have in the computing space.
So Linux is just computer hipsterism?
Is it hipster to advocate for mega corpo to fuck off?
Not sure how you got this from my reply, but mega corpos influence our life for the worst. Trying to diminish their influence in our life isn’t hipsterism.
Sure they do, but an OS isn’t influencing your life compared to Meta or any of the media conglomerates.
The idea of that is actually quite funny. A grown up who is actually that petty unironically.
Yes, go to the Linuxmemes community. Seems like tons of users there keep making Windows memes that have nothing to do with Linux, because they can’t handle how popular Windows is. If you point out the misinformation, or even show any love for Windows, you get downvoted to hell if not outright banned.
WSL
Lemmy users:
Reddit users:
The irony.
Yes… it’s like default settings. The very action of changing a setting on any devices means you are a “power user”. You made a conscious decision on how the device should behave and you suspect it can be done. Meanwhile the vast majority of users do not even consider this a possibility.
Windows users are not using a computer, they are doing another task that happens to required a machine, they don’t learn about what it is, how it works, how it can be modified.
IMHO it was perfectly in the 70s when there was no laptop, desktop, mobile phone, mobile data. Now that one needs to use such infrastructure to interact with others, vote, pay bills, get access to culture, etc then I do believe computer literacy is not optional anymore.
Pretty sure you can change plenty of settings in Windows.
So they are power users by your own logic.
It’s like that, but it’s not the whole picture. That’s how it starts. Then they get to something they can’t change and start trying to figure out why. Then in their web searches they stumble into a Linux forum…
(True story)
My point isn’t the availability of settings as a meaningful information but rather if somebody did change a setting, or not. If somebody changes a default setting, or a default OS, they are radically more likely to be a power user.
Everyone knows Temple OS is the superior OS. You. Would say its divine
I have the privilege of never having to think about windows. Once in a blue moon I am forced to help someone using it and I am absolutely baffled at how anyone can accept to daily drive it. You all are in an abusive relationship and you have no idea.
I agree. MacOS is so much better.
Hard disagree. I just started using Mac at my new job.
Why are all the hot keys wrong? Windows and Linux have fairly similar basic hot keys.
They both scroll the correct direction out of the box.
MacOS has decided my usb DAC doesn’t have volume adjust. Plug and play on windows and Linux.
I don’t think your comment is fair. Shortcuts and scrolling are just a matter of habit, missing functions in drivers happen with Linux all the time… but I was talking about how the user, for Microsoft, is a commodity to be sold; useability is an afterthought to adds and useless features.
On the other hand for Apple the user is a cow to milk. The OS is quite ergonomic, but you are corraled and prodded to only use (and buy) the tools that apple wants you to use.
What is worrying to me is that android is on the same trajectory and see do not have a viable Linux distribution for most ARM phones.
The fact alone that Mac doesn’t have a Control key like every other PC OS, but a command key should tell you how contrary Mac is to everything else.
The user is only a commodity if you use the free OS that comes with the computer you buy. You aren’t a commodity if you use Enterprise Windows, like at all. Every single feature you guys like to complain about can be disabled, which you can’t say about Mac. And you still get all the compatibility with virtually every single hardware and software in existence.
It’s a missing driver issue, the driver is there and working, Mac just disables the audio slider.
My comment was about how Mac departs from the standard that other systems implement. It’s 2026, it’s not crazy to think that they should standardize on what windows and Linux uses
Lol, apple is almost as bad, especially the iPhone walled garden.
Old Apple was pretty good, but they slowly chipped away at what I liked about it. Snow Leopard was peak UI and Mojave was the last I was willing to tolerate when they dropped 32 bit apps after that.
Seconded, snow leopard was peak macosx
Problem is: once you’ve perfected an OS, you still have to satisfy the C-Suites egos with canges. Result: everything gets worse.
Even Microsoft are now renting Linux VMs on their cloud infrastructure.
It would be more accurate to say windows users don’t think, period. :)
Not true in my experience. Windows users hate their OS and all the crap they have to live with.
Their OS doesn’t require them to. They can spend their time thinking about other things in life, like touching grass.
Unlike Linux, that fights against every decision you do and even requires you to use command lines just to get your audio working.
This is true! Ignorance of Linux is the no1 reason people don’t adopt it. This is doubly hard for Window-brains because the concept of choosing an OS is foreign to them. From their perspective it’s your boss, your school, or your parents who choose your OS.
I think most of normal users don’t even know what an OS is, so they don’t think who is choosing it.
Is Linux an OS or a kernel?
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux,” and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
… is this a copypasta?
Yes, are you genuinely asking?
Yep. It had the copypasta cadence but I hadn’t seen it before.
Oh sorry for the giant copypasta then, I though you were just joking. Yes, by definition, Linux is not an OS, just the kernel, the base of an OS basically, the thing that decides how many memory each process gets, how much CPU time can one get, communicates with the disk so that programs can access files on the file system and much more. It is however used commonly to refer to an OS with Linux as its kernel (a Linux distribution/distro). You may have heard of some popular Linux distros, such as Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu and Arch Linux. Those are operating systems that use Linux as their kernel, however they are commonly referred to as just “Linux”.
I hope I explained it well, it’s 1 am here right now and I probably should go to sleep.
Yep.
It’s fucking beautiful
Linux was originally just the kernel back in the 90’s. Combined with the GNU libraries and all the free software it is now an OS. You can call it GNU/Linux if you like. Much better explained by olenokoVD just here.
Having taught a computer science course on Operating Systems it’s even tough to teach a room full of CS undergrads what one is.
i wonder if teaching them to write bare metal embedded software first would prime them to learn about operating systems. i studied mechanical engineering in school so a bit different education than cs. i know i didnt really get what an operating system was for until i worked on some bare metal software in aerospace. nothing teaches you the value of something faster than trying to do without it.
I definitely agree. I have the luxury of coming from an Electrical Engineering / Computer Engineering background. I did microcontroller programming, designed ALUs, and transistor level work before moving into CS.
Nothing helps you understand a computer better then working with a small microcontroller and building up from there.
Even though I highly support Linux and what it’s thriving to be, but comments like this are why people don’t switch. Calling people names never is a good idea to get them to support your cause.
Ok, but, like, who cares? If someone wants to eat a pile of shit to stick it to the burger enjoyers, let them.
Exactly. If we want people to switch to Linux, we need to make sure they are going to have a good experience. That means to accept that there are still some use cases that Windows is better for, at least for some people. If all you use your gaming rig for is LoL or you spend 99% of your workday in Excel, it doesn’t make sense to switch. Linux will be there for them when they’re ready.
i mean, i used to spend 99% of my workday in excel. I could have jumped to libre but then making sure all my formulae worked for everyone else in the office on the sheets i shared would have been a pain. the other 1%, those programs don’t work on linux at all. not even on wine, last i checked (which was a while). so while i was technically in charge of all the computers in the office, it was not worth moving over there.
at home, dammit i just spent 8 hours doing two jobs and one of them was unpaid IT consultant you want me to figure out a new OS for free?
that’s why it took me so long.
Do we want the kind of people who are afraid of Linux to switch to Linux though? I feel like those people should stay on Windows until Linux adoption is just too overwhelming. Let the people who actually want to explore and try new things switch first, cause they’ll be more useful at providing feedback, and less likely to hurt the community.
Like, was it a good thing that Linus did his first Linux challenge? It was a lot of press, but a lot of it was bad. Maybe that is a good thing and I’m just wrong here. I feel like in his second challenge he was much more open to actually trying something new, and kind of realized that he doesn’t actually know anything about computers, but just Windows.
Do we want the kind of people who are afraid of Linux to switch to Linux though? I feel like those people should stay on Windows until Linux adoption is just too overwhelming.
I feel like people should use whatever OS they want. Why do you care if some guy installs Linux and isn’t comfortable with it? Computers don’t care what “kind of people” are using them.
As long as he keeps to himself, I don’t care. It’s when he a. annoys me or other devs by asking questions that are already answered in the documentation or readily available online, or b. tells people how hard/terrible Linux is because he had a bad experience using a thing he purposefully misunderstood, that he becomes a problem for the Linux community. Then, I care.
We should not be encouraging people to try Linux if they are the kind of people who do those things.
The next argument is, “well, we should make Linux friendly to Windows users,” and I think that mentality is disgusting. Windows has dog shit UX, and we 100% should not be borrowing from it.
I don’t think being afraid is a big problem, if you are also motivated to try it. If you’re afraid and have a good experience anyway, that’s a good thing. If you were afraid and have a bad experience, you’ll likely not try it again for a long time, if ever. The key difference is what kind of experience you have. If the bad experience can be avoided in the first place, for example by telling that their game will not work, then nothing was lost. They may try again when they’re bored with that game.
If they have a community to help them make the right decision and choices along the way, they can have a good experience. I think the point I’m trying to emphasize is that the community should try hard to set them up for success rather than cheerleading: “go for it! it worked great for me!”
I hear your point about Linus (of LTT) and yes he gave Linux “bad press”, but I think it helps balance the hype with some realism of “it doesn’t work for everyone”.
I wouldn’t call Linus an average user though. I liked watching Switch and Click’s journey with Linux. She starts out knowing basically nothing, but with a can-do and eager-to-learn attitude. She worked through it and now has become quite the Linux power user. I think that that is more encouraging and relatable to the average computer user. I think it’s the way to go in general: be encouraging and positive, but also be honest about the rough edges.
It’s also about setting realistic expectations and not overselling the product. Tons of people install Linux on either bleeding edge hardware (no vendor support) or an older, secondary computer (well supported, but slow) and they experience that as “Linux is bad”.
They may expect their proprietary software to work and it doesn’t. Then they have to go back to Windows after they had finally worked up the courage to try Linux. I think it’s fine to say “I don’t think Linux will work well for you” before they get into that situation.
I, myself, despite having used Linux off and on since the mid-90s, didn’t fully commit to a Linux desktop until a year ago. I built a new PC for it, knowing it would run only Linux and with parts I knew would work. I knew exactly which programs I had to give up on and find alternatives for. I made an informed choice and I’ve never been happier with my PC after switching.
That’s what I mean though. Like, if Linus had asked me if he should switch to Linux, I would have said no. He’s not good with computers. He’s kind of an idiot. And he’s also not a big fan of reading.
Whereas I would say Switch and Click is a great candidate for switching to Linux because she clearly knew that she knew very little about it (at the time), and she wanted to learn. She didn’t go into it thinking all of her knowledge of Windows would translate to knowledge of Linux like Linus did.
So I guess what I mean is we shouldn’t be encouraging everyone to switch to Linux, like you said. Some people just want the easiest, least thought required solution, and that’s Windows. Everything “just works” (except when it doesn’t), because when it doesn’t work, Windows users just think “oh, computers can’t do that”. (Or they pay someone else to do it, eg Geek Squad.)
Yep I think we’re on the same page. Let’s take care of the Bettys and accept that the Linuses will be happier staying on Windows.
I’m not sure why you think people don’t switch to Linux because they’re afraid of it. People have incredible inertia twords changing something they’re familiar with. And Linux is very unfamiliar to the vast majority of people.
It also doesn’t help that people like you make Linux users look like pretentious pricks.
Because people are afraid of things they’re unfamiliar with, and like you said, they’re not familiar with Linux.
I don’t really care what Windows users think of Linux users. If someone wants to switch, good for them. If they don’t, good for them. But if they ask stupid questions online instead of reading the fucking manual, yeah, I’ll berate them. If they want nice hand holdy support staff, stay on Windows, where they literally pay for that. If they’re not afraid to be called an idiot when they’re being an idiot, then welcome to the herd.
Linux users have a reputation for being assholes because we’re not support staff. We’re not paid to help noobies, so we’ll help, because we’re nice, but we’ll be real about it, because we don’t like people wasting our time.
If someone is genuinely a noob, and is asking because they truly don’t know, then I’ll try to be nice, but we get a lot of people who are used to doing things on Windows, think they’re experts, and come in and be assholes themselves because Linux has the absolute gall to be different from Windows, something that was brand new when Linux was written as a clone of something that had been around for 20 years.
Windows has so little competition, most people are oblivious to choosing an OS at all.
I talked to some colleagues some time ago and they had never heard of Linux. The very concept of different operating systems was news to them. We still have a long way to go.
I work with computers and end up with some old e-waste stuff every so often so Im like the person in the family that supplies people with computers, its kind of funny to me that Ive given people linux machines and they just dont notice the difference really. no one seems to install software much these days. One person I gave a linux pc to just uses steam to play her hello kitty game and uses the browser which by default is firefox, I was worried about it not being chrome but when I asked she didnt seem to mind since she uses an iphone she never really setup a google account, so no bookmarks or anything to worry about
MacOS users in this post:
Hated by both sides for different reasons but both are valid
macOS is for people who think people should earn for their work.
Linux is for people who believe NOBODY should EVER earn money for ANYTHING EVER.
Don’t believe me? Let’s talk about SuSE. Or Red Hat. Or IBM. All “evil” the second they started charging “money” for the “work” of the “laborers”.
lol
Open sources in awesome thing, but people should get paid for their labor
And you can debate the abominable labor practices of Apple Inc., but poor labor practices does not devalue their products, no matter how far you twist your logic or philosophy. nor how many childish tantrums you throw.
It’s a shame my instance has disabled downvoting.
Linux is not exclusively for anti-capitalist FOSS-lovers like myself. As you mentioned, there are multiple different corporate distros. Additionally, “The Cloud” runs on Linux: not even Microsoft uses Windows to host their services. And let’s not forget Android and Tizen!
All of that is, however, beside the point. Do you reject Wikipedia because it too is created by volunteers? Software, like knowledge, exists beyond the concept of scarcity.
If us FLOSS-lovers had our way, no one would ever have to pay for software, as it would be maintained by the community. And of course, most such projects and developers accept donations.
I hope this does not fall on deaf ears, though I understand that the concept of working to improve the lives of others (and one’s own life) without some form of direct payment is… foreign, to many people living under capitalism.
I am a software engineer who believes software engineers should be paid for their work. I use Linux. Do I mean nothing to you??
I think most Linux users don’t have a problem with things like RHEL. I personally think it’s great. I don’t personally use it, but I have absolutely no problem with it.
The actual problem Linux users care about is when people use and modify the Linux kernel (or any other GPL project), distribute the binaries, but don’t distribute the source code. (I’m looking at you, Sony.)
I’ve never seen a software freedom or open-source enthusiast make anything remotely like this argument. When we have criticisms of predominantly open-source-based companies, it’s usually because they’re adding some kind of proprietary scamware into their systems, not because they’re charging money for their services.
Plenty of people and companies have found ways to generate income - yes, even beyond donations - while still respecting other’s rights. You’re just repeating a lie that’s been debunked and dead for years.
Why is it that half the time I see a diatribe with no substance but a lot of syllables just for the sake of syllables it is you? Are you getting paid by the word?
Cut it out.
What a hypocritical thing to say
If you don’t like my comments, just do what I’m gonna do to you: use the block function
TempleOS users in this post:
Well we wouldn’t want to commit sacrilege
lol Who?
Also BSD
