If their gender is incongruent with their sex and they are male, it follows logically that they are women.
No. It follows logically that they are male, because you literally said it. They are a male who feels like they are female.
There are also arguments about medically transitioned trans people being the opposite of their sex assigned at birth, as they come to fit the sexual characteristics of their gender identity.
They don’t though. They may present as outwardly different, but their genetics, internal sexual organs, basic physical morphology etc. is still what they were born as.
I’m not aware of any laws making it illegal to misgender someone,
and even if I grant you that it still isn’t comparable at all. Preferred pronouns aren’t the same as “God’s chosen people”.
It isn’t identical, but it is analogous.
The latter implies that a God that watches you masturbate in your room exists, while the former only has you acknowledge what has already been acknowledged by the best medical professionals in the world, of which I suppose you see yourself smarter than.
Appeal to authority and also false. It isn’t a settled topic. Plenty of biologists still hold that the male/female distinction on a biological basis is useful. Even if some people confuse sex and gender.
Trans women aren’t “born men”. A baby isn’t a man. They were born male and they found out their gender identity to be incongruent with their sex later in life.
Correct. Which in no way means that we need to acknowledge that they are anything other than what they were born as.
That’s not what I said, that’s just what you want me to say. Women are women and men are men. Actual is meaningless here.
I never said that trans women were “a male that feels like a female”, I said that their gender is incongruent with their sex, and you agreed with it. Gender and sex aren’t the same phenomenon. Gender refers to the typical psychological and sociocultural traits that are usually congruent with one’s sex, while sex refers to strictly to one’s biology.
Cis women may also have XY chromosomes (XY gonadal dysgenesis) and internal testes. Discarding other primary and secondary sexual characteristics just to disregard trans people just makes you seem more ignorant.
It isn’t identical, but it is analogous.
Wanting you to not be a douchebag isn’t analogous to wanting you to accept their religion.
Appeal to authority and also false. It isn’t a settled topic. Plenty of biologists still hold that the male/female distinction on a biological basis is useful. Even if some people confuse sex and gender.
😂 Addressing the scientific consensus isn’t appeal to authority. I’m not saying “This person is a doctor so they must be right” I’m pointing to the consensus of WMA which is a gigantic WHO-partnered organization. The same is also visible for the majority of major medical organizations in the U.S.
Plenty of biologists also hold the view that evolution isn’t real, and that doesn’t affect the consensus. This issue was also mostly settled already before it became a political point.
And nobody is saying that we should get rid of the male/female distinction.
Correct. Which in no way means that we need to acknowledge that they are anything other than what they were born as.
Disregarding the fact that this statement doesn’t disagree with my point, I hope you’re not as stupid as to not see this entailing calling grown-ass people babies.
Women are women and men are men. Actual is meaningless here.
Agreed. Just like cis-woman/man is meaningless.
I never said that trans women were “a male that feels like a female”,
Correct. I did.
I said that their gender is incongruent with their sex, and you agreed with it.
Yes.
Gender and sex aren’t the same phenomenon.
Agreed.
Gender refers to the typical psychological and sociocultural traits that are usually congruent with one’s sex, while sex refers to strictly to one’s biology.
Yupp.
Cis women may also have XY chromosomes (XY gonadal dysgenesis) and internal testes.
You confuse sex and gender here. We call these people intersex, because they fall somewhere on the spectrum of the bimodal sexual distribution axis. Males has xy chromosomes and females have xx.
Discarding other primary and secondary sexual characteristics just to disregard trans people just makes you seem more ignorant.
Precision is the opposite of ignorance.
Wanting you to not be a douchebag isn’t analogous to wanting you to accept their religion.
Agreed, but if I have to go along with their religion in order to not be branded a douche bag, the distinction is meaningless.
😂 Addressing the scientific consensus isn’t appeal to authority. I’m not saying “This person is a doctor so they must be right” I’m pointing to the consensus of WMA which is a gigantic WHO-partnered organization. The same is also visible for the majority of major medical organizations in the U.S.
There is currently no scientific consensus regarding the nature of gender as it pertains to sex. Much less regarding if sex is immutable or not.
Plenty of biologists also hold the view that evolution isn’t real, and that doesn’t affect the consensus. This issue was also mostly settled already before it became a political point.
Pardon me, but which consensus was that?
And nobody is saying that we should get rid of the male/female distinction.
No, just make the terms meaningless by broadening them to include anyone who identifies as male/female.
Disregarding the fact that this statement doesn’t disagree with my point, I hope you’re not as stupid as to not see this entailing calling grown-ass people babies.
You are right. Words have absolutely no meaning.
No. It follows logically that they are male, because you literally said it. They are a male who feels like they are female.
They don’t though. They may present as outwardly different, but their genetics, internal sexual organs, basic physical morphology etc. is still what they were born as.
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It isn’t identical, but it is analogous.
Appeal to authority and also false. It isn’t a settled topic. Plenty of biologists still hold that the male/female distinction on a biological basis is useful. Even if some people confuse sex and gender.
Correct. Which in no way means that we need to acknowledge that they are anything other than what they were born as.
Oh thank your god-- your words don’t mean anything? I guess we can stop reading here, then :3
Like you know how to read. Cute.
Thats the neat part: I don’t! Perhaps thats why I think words are meaningless. How about you- whats your excuse?
That’s not what I said, that’s just what you want me to say. Women are women and men are men. Actual is meaningless here.
I never said that trans women were “a male that feels like a female”, I said that their gender is incongruent with their sex, and you agreed with it. Gender and sex aren’t the same phenomenon. Gender refers to the typical psychological and sociocultural traits that are usually congruent with one’s sex, while sex refers to strictly to one’s biology.
Cis women may also have XY chromosomes (XY gonadal dysgenesis) and internal testes. Discarding other primary and secondary sexual characteristics just to disregard trans people just makes you seem more ignorant.
Wanting you to not be a douchebag isn’t analogous to wanting you to accept their religion.
😂 Addressing the scientific consensus isn’t appeal to authority. I’m not saying “This person is a doctor so they must be right” I’m pointing to the consensus of WMA which is a gigantic WHO-partnered organization. The same is also visible for the majority of major medical organizations in the U.S.
Plenty of biologists also hold the view that evolution isn’t real, and that doesn’t affect the consensus. This issue was also mostly settled already before it became a political point.
And nobody is saying that we should get rid of the male/female distinction.
Disregarding the fact that this statement doesn’t disagree with my point, I hope you’re not as stupid as to not see this entailing calling grown-ass people babies.
Agreed. Just like cis-woman/man is meaningless.
Correct. I did.
Yes.
Agreed.
Yupp.
You confuse sex and gender here. We call these people intersex, because they fall somewhere on the spectrum of the bimodal sexual distribution axis. Males has xy chromosomes and females have xx.
Precision is the opposite of ignorance.
Agreed, but if I have to go along with their religion in order to not be branded a douche bag, the distinction is meaningless.
There is currently no scientific consensus regarding the nature of gender as it pertains to sex. Much less regarding if sex is immutable or not.
Pardon me, but which consensus was that?
No, just make the terms meaningless by broadening them to include anyone who identifies as male/female.
Male=baby.