I’ve been on Lemmy for about 2 weeks now, and I’ve noticed a trend:

The VAST majority of posts that mention AI in any manner are some dig or criticism or some other negative commentary, and the rare ones that have anything positive to say about it almost always have negative whatever-Lemmy’s-version-of-karma-is.

I get that AI isn’t without its problems, especially Grok with that “Mechahitler” nonsense a bit ago, but there seems to be particular vitriol here. I’m genuinely curious to know why people hate it so much here.

  • DupaCycki@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Assuming you’re talking about generative AI and most (or all?) chatbots - the only people who ‘like’ it are the rich, the elderly, the tech illiterate, and the right-wing. None of these has any presence on Lemmy. Or on reddit, for that matter. AI sentiment is pretty much the same across the two platforms, from what I’ve seen.

    The only places where I’ve seen any kind of unironic pro-AI content is Facebook and LinkedIn. So basically platforms filled with the aforementioned groups.

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      3 months ago

      This is probably the worst take on the entire thread. Bravo! That takes skill to be so wrong.

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        3 months ago

        Feel absolutely free to debate any claims. If you don’t have anything creative to add - the comment and reply buttons are not mandatory!

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    People here are privy to the many downsides of rapid AI adoption vs Facebook grandmas who use it to make memes and identify weird bugs in their house.

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    3 months ago

    Most commercial models were trained without permission via stolen artwork, copyrighted materials, etc…

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    Lemmy despite having major advantages over Reddit, appeals more to conspiracy theorists, or contrarians. -People who read click-bait headlines and not the actual articles. People that like simplified explanations for things: “AI is bad for the environment”: **not ** "AI is getting more efficient and uses short bursts of processing (for simple questions or images), while computer gaming gets worse and runs 100% constant, and has the same toll on ram scarcity and environmental issues.

    So, they gobble up all the negative headlines and parrot the anti-AI propaganda they’re fed.

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      3 months ago

      Spot on. Ignore the haters; you’re correct in all claims and it angers them to have a mirror held up to their behavior.

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        3 months ago

        I’m well aware of the anti-work, loud vocal minority, dunning Krüger’s, and Lemmy at least shows the upvotes along with the cope votes.

        Thanks for the support!

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    Because it’s built on the creative collective works of everything that’s ever been put on the Internet with no attribution or compensation for people who’s authored works were stolen. Maybe that’s why?

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      I don’t see why that’s an issue. Creatives won’t even have to make anything creative anymore, AI can just be used to make things the they would have. That will save them so much time, enough that they can go do cheap labor for 18 hours of the day, like a good slave.

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    Using ai to make it solve complex problems, analyse things and summarise objective outcomes is fantastic.

    Unfortunately making it slop out is easier and TikTok-brained people are keen on making it poop slop. That’s why the consumer level ai makes me bit grossed out as well.

    Its a tool. Great tool. Like photoshop and excel. But it can be also abused to steal, manipulate and destroy what have been built so far by humanity in seconds.

    And the second one just makes it even worse this invention is made by Americans so “it has to be profitable” cancer all over it. That’s why it sucks now. Its capitalism driven not humanity. Even open ai changed to for profit “for undisclosed reasons”. The thing doesn’t work now unless you throw lots of bucks on it.

    Its going to be better and way more useful at some point. But not anytime near until America’s upcoming economical crash. American capitalism is one of the worst thing happened to human kind and until its controlled nothing ever coming out from country is going to be beneficial to human kind. That’s why it sucks big time now.

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    A question to the OP: After reading all of these comments, varying from emotional reaction to well reasoned assessment, all valid whether positive or negative, has this experiment helped you answer your question or changed your views on AI at all in retrospect? There’s nothing I can add that hasn’t already been said in one way or another by someone else, but I’m cruious if this is just a bait thread or you’re actually posing this question in good faith with a mind open to change… If it’s the latter I want to know your nuanced opinion.

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      You know. I could have asked the same question as OP,
      so from my perspective, I’m getting a better insight.

      But the conclusion remain the same,
      the only two things that’s bad about it is one,

      how much more we need communism,
      in order to have a functional state.

      So while that’s a good thing,
      it’s not when you’re still experiencing
      life in a capitalist country.

      And two, how much more we need solar panels.

      And while that’s also a good thing,
      it’s not when the world is still producing
      electricity mostly from fossil fuels.

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    Most of them because they don’t understand it. Some literally think it’s a database of all the information copied with an auto-complete function tacked on. They don’t understand that it’s a neural network with multiple layers of digital synapses that works very similarly to our own brains - with the training data used to adjust the weights of the synapses at each level.

    They think that training the model using the data is the same thing as copying it into a repository for it to regurgitate later, so they surmise that it can only perform plagiarism. They also believe that massive, inefficient data centers are the only way to utilize it, and they rightfully hate the data centers, and their hated then extends to the AI itself.

    They also expect perfection, and use any insurance of hallucinations as evidence that the entire technology is useless. They don’t believe that the hallucinations are solvable so they see the entire branch of technology as a dead-end.

    Honestly, I think it’s just an extension of the hatred they hold for the companies primarily associated with AI. Those organizations are doing great harm to society, and our planet, and should be reviled. However, they don’t realize that the two are separable - that AI is an amazing technology, and the companies championing it are evil. Both are true, but it’s a difficult concept to understand with only a surface-level understanding of the industry.

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        I don’t know what you’re talking about. Only an idiot would (admit they) use AI and call the hate of the hivemind mob down on them. Everything you’ve said is entirely correct. Additionally AIs are evil. Nothing good about them. All the problems they have are unsolvable. They only make slop. Everything they make is random but also paradoxically plagiarism. A baby is killed whenever they’re given a prompt. Only you know how they work, everyone else is wrong. Blah blah blah. Did I miss anything? Oh, yeah, right…

        I’ve never used AI, and I never will.

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    I think most of the hate is because of it being touted as better than humans and shoved down everyone’s throats.

    As for AI itself , it’s just a tool like any other. Use it wisely.

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    i can’t speak for everyone, but a lot of people are outraged that they have been replaced or soon will be. Millions of people will be unemployed. This is bad, because we are a consumer-based economy, and we’re losing even more consumers.

    After decades of low pay for most workers, this is the very last thing we need.

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    This is not a direct answer to your question.

    I’ve heard 2 really great takes about LLMs & GenAI, that have stayed with me - though I don’t have the best wording for them anymore.

    1. As AI is trained on previously created data, it fundamentally looks backwards. Human creativity creates new things and inherently looks to the future.

    2. AI is trained on the vast corpus of human works and synthesizes that info into a median response. You will never get exciting and bold insights, just bland and inoffensive responses.

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    AI is very harmful to the environment, it destroys communities because of data centers, it killed the price of gaming and consumer computing, and it’s being used to layoff a shit ton of people.

    I use AI daily for my job because it’s required, and I do use it outside of work too, but it’s too powerful, too dangerous, and I wish it didn’t exist. The way companies abuse it in the name of profit is too damaging for our world.

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    The heads of the AI companies have been saying how many jobs their products will replace.

    If you tell most people that there was an exciting new technology that would replace them at their company and every other company and make their experience and qualifications obsolete I’m guessing most people wouldn’t be very happy about that.

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    Techbros ruin everything.

    I have no problem with AI use for science, health, and uplifting humanity like figuring out optimal ways of doing things, minimizing waste.

    Currently, it’s just another disingenuous ploy to make rich people even richer forcing it on everyone at an expense of climate and human livelihoods.

    And finally, are consumer AI really “intelligent” like its touted or is it marketing lies for making the lines go up?

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      I don’t necessarily think that’s even techbros, it’s CEOs/management ruining it. They’re trying to bleed water from a stone, and they’re killing the planet to do it without giving a snigle fuck.

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        that is who is usually referred to as tech bros imo. It’s the elon musks, the people that are in charge and seem to have a superficial understanding of the technology (more than what tou can say about most CEOs unfortunately) but are actually only interested in money. The people that actually innovate and work on the technologies are often smarter than that.

        Unfortunately someone needs to pay the bills and those people are passionate enough about the technology that they end up working for the tech bros and ultimately contribute to the problems