Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps announced late Saturday that it had closed the Strait of Hormuz after firing at and hitting a commercial ship in the critical waterway.
Please note, USA attacks are “preemptive strikes” by default.
The USA has been doing this for decades, Bush also used an “imminent threat” to strike Iraq.
It’s NOT a war because only congress can declare war. So when Russia invades Ukraine we call that a “war” but when we invade Iraq it’s called “Operation Iraqi Freedom” ™ and everyone still manages to keep a straight face somehow.
Iran has miles and miles of underground production and inventory, I don’t think it will be as easy as Iraq was, they have been preparing for this for many years.
You think Iraq was easy? You realize we didn’t win that one right? We didn’t accomplish shit. Because if we did, this shit we’re in now never would have fucking started!
Yes, unfortunately it seems so. The nation is a natural fortress. The truth is, they’d have to nuke the entire country to be fully rid of the Iranian regime. The mountains seclude and protect many regions. And even then, who knows how many, many miles of underground bases they have. This is a nation that’s always known it’s true enemy since it first dawned on them. It just may turn out to be the bloodiest war America will ever fight if an invasion happens.
Compared to Iran, Iraq was easy. Iran is built to be a decentralized ideological government and military. Iran has more mountains than the US. Iran has more people than Iraq and Afghanistan combined before those respective wars. The IRGC allegedly only has 150,000 soldiers… because the other 10 million or so are trained and armed ‘civilians.’ That’s not counting the other ~30 million armed farmers. Iran has no real central leadership to decapitate. Iran has no popular revolutionary movement against the current government.
Iraq had a strong centralized government, US trained army, and an incredibly powerful revolutionary force built up against Saddam long before the US invaded. As soon as Saddam was forced to flee and hide, Iraq’s main resistance was over, with actual freedom fighters double backing against the US occupational forces after they realized the US wasn’t there to support revolution, just occupy indefinitely. The biggest problem the US faced was a lack of support for their ‘hearts and minds’ campaign. The actual military work was over in two weeks with basic security work from then to today.
In Iran, if the US invades, there will not be an end to the military work. There will never be a safe place on land the US can be. There will never be an interim government, not even one as weak as the Afghani government pre-taliban take over. There will always be some remnant of the previous Iranian government ready to fight, making independent military trade deals with China and Russia for supplies, and handling their own logistics.
And that’s still not going into detail on the terrain. Close Air Support will not exist during the entire land war. Every single system the US uses for CAS is incapable of handling extremely mountainous terrain with no clear targets.
And remember that I’m pretty sure that both the politicians and the military leadership are probably less capable, due to the fact that Ronald McTrump likes yes-men
I noticed, just pointing out that it’s a useless distinction for non USians, and, given its 70+ years since congress actually did it, for USians as well. Why waste the time?
Basically everyone in the US calls this and Iraq as war. Only politically motivated dipshits ever go “uhhm actually it’s not a war”. We know it’s not technically a war per US law, but we also know it’s obviously a war
I can count on one hand the number of people I’ve heard try that in person.
At this point there’s no real distinction other than funding being weird
Please note, USA attacks are “preemptive strikes” by default.
The USA has been doing this for decades, Bush also used an “imminent threat” to strike Iraq.
It’s NOT a war because only congress can declare war. So when Russia invades Ukraine we call that a “war” but when we invade Iraq it’s called “Operation Iraqi Freedom” ™ and everyone still manages to keep a straight face somehow.
Iran has miles and miles of underground production and inventory, I don’t think it will be as easy as Iraq was, they have been preparing for this for many years.
You think Iraq was easy? You realize we didn’t win that one right? We didn’t accomplish shit. Because if we did, this shit we’re in now never would have fucking started!
Iraq wasn’t easy, and this foe is still greater.
Yes, unfortunately it seems so. The nation is a natural fortress. The truth is, they’d have to nuke the entire country to be fully rid of the Iranian regime. The mountains seclude and protect many regions. And even then, who knows how many, many miles of underground bases they have. This is a nation that’s always known it’s true enemy since it first dawned on them. It just may turn out to be the bloodiest war America will ever fight if an invasion happens.
Compared to Iran, Iraq was easy. Iran is built to be a decentralized ideological government and military. Iran has more mountains than the US. Iran has more people than Iraq and Afghanistan combined before those respective wars. The IRGC allegedly only has 150,000 soldiers… because the other 10 million or so are trained and armed ‘civilians.’ That’s not counting the other ~30 million armed farmers. Iran has no real central leadership to decapitate. Iran has no popular revolutionary movement against the current government.
Iraq had a strong centralized government, US trained army, and an incredibly powerful revolutionary force built up against Saddam long before the US invaded. As soon as Saddam was forced to flee and hide, Iraq’s main resistance was over, with actual freedom fighters double backing against the US occupational forces after they realized the US wasn’t there to support revolution, just occupy indefinitely. The biggest problem the US faced was a lack of support for their ‘hearts and minds’ campaign. The actual military work was over in two weeks with basic security work from then to today.
In Iran, if the US invades, there will not be an end to the military work. There will never be a safe place on land the US can be. There will never be an interim government, not even one as weak as the Afghani government pre-taliban take over. There will always be some remnant of the previous Iranian government ready to fight, making independent military trade deals with China and Russia for supplies, and handling their own logistics.
And that’s still not going into detail on the terrain. Close Air Support will not exist during the entire land war. Every single system the US uses for CAS is incapable of handling extremely mountainous terrain with no clear targets.
And remember that I’m pretty sure that both the politicians and the military leadership are probably less capable, due to the fact that Ronald McTrump likes yes-men
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You realize the rest of the world doesn’t give a shit about your BS technicalities, and just calls it a war, right?
Yes, they do realize that, that was one of the points they were making in the post.
I noticed, just pointing out that it’s a useless distinction for non USians, and, given its 70+ years since congress actually did it, for USians as well. Why waste the time?
Of course if it isn’t a war, then assassinating their head of state was super illegal.
Basically everyone in the US calls this and Iraq as war. Only politically motivated dipshits ever go “uhhm actually it’s not a war”. We know it’s not technically a war per US law, but we also know it’s obviously a war
I can count on one hand the number of people I’ve heard try that in person.
At this point there’s no real distinction other than funding being weird