• phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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    7 days ago

    I wonder what the odds are that he’s lying, based on the tens of thousands of previous times he’s lied? I know what a Bayesian would say.

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    7 days ago

    “Trump announces vast conspiracy to commit and cover up election fraud”

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    So Trump wants us to believe that elections were fine when he won in 2016, but then got compromised under him for the 2020 election, but then Biden cleaned it up I guess so that he could fairly win the 2024 election?

    Uh huh.

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      or the other way to think about it is that maga did the rigging and still lost in 2020

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      Yep, as I see it, he only claims the election held during his in office was compromised. So yeah, sounds like we found the issue.

    • DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world
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      No no no, it’s not about the mechanics. It’s about degrading confidence in this November. Trump Rule of Acquisition number 13: 1000 lies are enough to forget what’s true

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      but then Biden cleaned it up so that he could fairly win the 2024 election.

      Oh that’s an angle more people need to play up “Biden did a great job so you had a fair election!” that would really mess with him.

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        I doubt it. “We won by such a huge margin that even their cheating couldn’t stop us”. It’s fake strongman verbiage, it’s appealing to their base’s desire to believe that everyone is on their side, and it’s obviously untrue on multiple levels. It’s perfectly on-brand for them in every way.

    • tidderuuf@lemmy.world
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      7 days ago

      He even said that current voting machines are vulnerable and corrupted… So he shouldn’t even be President right now.

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      Here’s the thing, He didn’t say anything that we didn’t already KNOW. He stepped out there and used the big fancy word ‘declassified’, but EVERYTHING, he said that was even half true we knew about.

      And half of that stuff that he’s trying to scream about the democrats tried to fix with election protections during Biden’s run and before. The Republicans blocked the bill (of course).

      He conflated multiple issues that we have been discussing around elections for decades, but none of the actual votes were the issue.

      The China hack? It happened. It was demographic data. We knew that.

      Are our voting machines easy to manipulate? We knew that, but not via wifi hacking typically and not at the national scale. The risk was firmware iirc not remote hacks.

      Then, he mentions foreign elections, which had nothing to do with us.

      The time it takes to count all votes? We knew that. Mail in ballots take time to count, and elections are usually called well before final counts.

      I noticed Russia was constantly absent from his list of meddlers. But bots were rampant during elections, especially about Biden and Hillary.

      He basically took everything that independent studies have said over the last 20 years and conflated it directly with voting machines.

      The outright lies were obvious. Dead people voting, etc. But a lot of it was twisted just enough. It was, as usual, outrageous.

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      I think he really was planning to go in with the crazy grandpa shit, but the party got wind of it, and they got worried because his off-the-cuff remarks have been especially bat shit for a while now. They convinced whichever of the one or two members of the inner circle who have his ear this week that they should talk him out of it. He still had to say something, so he said whatever this was.

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    70-80% of what he said were things we already knew about, tried to fix, and got blocked by republican stone walling in previous administrations. None of what was true dealt with actual vote tampering but interfering with people’s opinions and who they voted for.

    If he really declassified serious documents, then he knows that. Especially because independent studies from peer-reviewed third parties dropped those reports pretty consistently. It’s just been a decade of non-stop bullshit so it’s hard to remember, but he didn’t say anything we didn’t already know, and actual voting was never the problem.

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    If he has actual evidence, then where are the criminal charges for the individuals who committed these felonies? Oh? There are no charges? Because there’s no actual evidence that would hold up in court? Hmm. This sounds like a conman selling snake oil to me. I’m not stupid enough to buy it. I feel bad for anyone falling for this. It’s like campaign promises about not starting any wars. Lies from an evil politician.

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      The courts are under his control too. The real reason no one of significance will be held accountable for the allegations is because this is theatre but leadership in both parties is actually very unified in favor robbing the working class.

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      Yep, all he does is lie and his supporters eat it up. It’s so goddamn frustrating dealing with these people as they parrot whatever baseless nonsense Trump’s ranting about on any given day. And the moment they can’t lie to themselves anymore they just move on to the next line of bullshit. Trump voters are Charlie Brown to Trump’s Lucy Van Pelt.

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      It has never been truer than with this group of people.

      As a rule I bet it has a 100% hit rate. To the extent that it seems like they havent done every single thing they’ve accused the other side of, it’s only be they either don’t have the ability yet or it hasn’t been discovered yet.

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      Accusation in a mirror, a propaganda and hate speech technique.

      These people for sure studied how such propaganda works. And if you listen closely, the patterns of speech give it away. I have seen it used in the Brexit debate, and it already smelled like Fascism to me.

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      This is part of the current Republican modus operandi.

      Start by accusing your opponents of false crimes. This excites their base and fills the media landscape with “that didn’t happen” language.

      Next, you explicitly commit the crimes that you falsely accused your opponents of. Claim it’s not happening, but if it were, it would be justified because the other side did it already (which they didn’t), then re-use the same “that didn’t happen” language your opponents originally crafted. Now an ignorant public isn’t sure who to believe.

      And it’s working.

      Make no mistake: this is the biggest sign of any that Republicans are going to attempt a wide variety of election tampering, voter suppression and voter fraud tactics to tip the balance of the November (2026) election.

      And it doesn’t have to be wide scale: they just need to disrupt a few urban districts in highly contested states. Any crimes they commit won’t be addressed until after the elections are over. See Musk’s million-dollar voter bribes recently maybe being considered illegal: big deal, the fascists already won and have deployed goons into the streets to deport and murder people.

      Get your cameras ready.