“I’m saying it right now,” Homan said. “There’s still going to be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted.”
DHS has acknowledged that neither of the men who have been shot in recent weeks was the target of the ICE operations that led to their deaths.
A witness reported that Guerrero shouted, “I tried to stop” after being shot by an agent while his vehicle moved forward slowly.
Here’s the neat part, the murders will continue either way.
Why should anybody shut up?
Anyone spouting this kind of rhetoric deserves a Charlie Kirk type ending.
Fuck Tom Homan. War on US citizens.
Fuck Tom Homan. War on Tom Horman and his kind.
Weird, that sounds like something a Nazi would say
The USA has become a nuclear NAZI stronghold.
Where is B.J. Blazkowicz when one needs him ?
The murders will continue until compliance improves.
You want to hold us accountable? We’re going to murder even harder.
Now that’s what I call a bold strategy.
Now that’s what I call a bold strategy.
“Let’s see how that plays out for 'em, Cotton!”
Probably pretty well, lol. Americans have demonstrated that they are willing to put up with this shit
I keep seeing this take, but it’s hardly uniquely american though. Human societies will put up with a lot as long it means they don’t have to leave their comfort zone.
It’s why the chinese put up with their party dictatorship, they live in relative comfort. We might see more resistance coming from russian society now because they are starting to feel the consequences of the dictatorships actions.
I know you were calling on the meme and this isn’t against you, but I have to say it’s anything BUT bold. It’s a coward’s strategy.
“More wrong and harder” is the weak way out of having a critical light shone on one’s choices. To most of us it’s no big deal, but to these guys – who know far better than we do the truth of what they are doing – it’s ego death and frightening as hell.
Is it easier to stand up and take responsibility for all the evil you have done, or to pull a bit of metal on the gun you’re holding a fraction of an inch, in order to kill an unarmed person trying desperately to go on living when you confront them with your own will and means to murder them, knowing that afterward your fellow ICE sociopaths will high-five you like it’s something to be proud of?
For those of us with working consciences, that question only gets answered one way.
For the rest, that’s a personal profile of every single serving member of ICE. They already know they’re not “defending” jack shit and that immigrants are no danger at all. If they were, ICE would not be shooting at them, because ICE goons regularly run from conflict, as Tom Homan is demonstrating right now, and as they all prove when people whip out cameras and start shouting loud enough.
These sociopaths RUN from accountability. They signed up for the opportunity to get paid to play The Most Dangerous Game all day every day, they’re glad to do it, and the ones who have any shred of conscience/humanity left in themselves are being eaten alive by it, as they should be.
And Tom Homan is upset that people who do have working consciences are calling bullshit on the whole thing. He’s so scared of real accountability that he has equated words with physical danger, lol.
That’s not bold. That’s weakness. A fucking snowflake in a skin suit who could never personally bear even a fraction of the suffering he readily metes out to others.
Also after, eat your cake
“the beatings will continue until moral improves” type shit
“let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted”
I don’t recall anyone enacting a law that said “round up brown people in concentration camps and kill protesters”
Joe Biden spent a record amount on ICE camps while the threat of fascism was obviously clear.
Obama not only discovered Homan, but awarded him with a medal when Homan devised a plan to separate migrant children from their parents at detention centers.
Every single dem senator voted to confirm Marco Rubio, who has obviously been one of the biggest champions of "immigration enforcement.
They’re not entirely wrong when they say the Democrats gave them a mandate.
I mean we have to acknolwedge that Rubio and Homan did not act back then the way they do now. A Christian Nationalist (Nat-C) movement electing a fascist president has a way of bringing the latent bigot out of people that may have been decent at suppressing it in the past.
People across this nation have been experiencing that on a personal level with their family/friends for the last decade.
So is it just required to blame democrats for everything republicans do on your instance? You all never seem to miss an opportunity to criticize and blame Dems. Never mention republicans though. Fishy, that.
Honestly? We don’t think Republicans can do any better, so we don’t try to change them. They chose their side a long time ago. They are the enemy.
Democrats, we know you, we know that you can do better because sometimes you do. You share our values. Even if your political leaders are captured by capitalist interests, you cheer when they do the right thing. So it is very frustrating to us to see you choose wrong.
It’s like being an Australian in the time of Trump. We are seriously worried and horrified about what’s going on in the USA, because you are literally our ally.
Why do y’all get so bruised when extremely valid critiques are leveled against the democrats?
blame democrats for everything republicans do
Uh, Joe Biden was not a republican. Neither was Obama. And it should be clear the Democrat senators are also not Republicans…
Nobody mentioned either party till you chimed in to bullshit that it’s all the Dems faults. Now this is where you call me blue maga or a zionist or some other dumb fucking out of pocket nonsense and call in the ml brigade and sockpuppets too boost your comment and downvote disagreement. Looks like you already got started on part of that.
you chimed in to bullshit that it’s all the Dems faults
Do show me where this happened.
Fucking ml bots. Read your own fuckin comment. Bad faith fucks the lot of ya.
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Also pretty sure it’s not ICE’s job to enact laws.
I’m pretty sure by “they” he meant Democrats.
Probably, but these are not Democrat laws.
Might want to check the voting record on ICE establishment, support and funding there sport.
Right up until well into the 2020s they were a bipartisan effort.
This reminds me of the “you know, the southern states who supported slavery were all democrats” rhetoric.
ICE before 2024 was a completely different agency. Trying to argue that the democratic party is somehow to blame for Trump’s executive orders, the construction/creation of concentration camps over the last year, and mass hiring of a bunch of untrained white nationalists is an absolutely insane take.
Obama gave the current head of ICE a medal! After appointing him to the job!
And Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and Strom Thurmond was a Democrat, and Stalin was a seminary student! Before becoming an exiled Social Democrat! Oooooh!
bOtH sIdEs ThE sAmE Lol
Here in Chile, when one President declared war on their people, we trashed the country until his governance was all but surrendered, and we even got the chance of making a new Constitution out of it (the idiots blew it, but that’s for Season 2 of the series). He got lucky to make it out of the Presidential building in one piece (we historically don’t like it when armed conflict touches the place).
What are the so-called American citizens doing?
salió de la moneda, pero igual no salió del helicóptero… que en pez descanse…
"que en pez descanse " qué lata que nunca se me ocurrió en su momento. ¡Felicidades! :p
Qué raro ver a un chileno acá… ándate pa la casa, wn! 😁. Saludos!
A’er tú y quién más mira que te traigo a las maigo la mojojojo la calila aí vamo a ver 😁 ¡Saludos igualmente y gracias!
“Estaba ese al que le dicen el car’e puta” 🤣
The difference is, our police are armed more heavily than some nations military. And our military is more heavily armed than nearly every other nation combined… And that’s forgetting that we’ve allowed technocrats to install nationwide government surveillance, tracking and recording. Both online and in public places.
It’s not so easy as just “revolt”.
Ever been to Mexico?
The place that gets guns almost exclusively from the US?
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yea? it’s easy? So, you’ve done it, right? You personally? Care to describe your personal experience, what you faced and how easy it was?
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you irl:
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Our people are heavily armed… compared to people in other countries. They are not heavily armed compared to even the police, let alone the military. Any violent revolt would be put down in days.
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Seems like you have a head start there.
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Sure, but not in any organized way.
What they have is organization. What we have is numbers.
Alright bro. You first.
Everyone wants a John Brown.
No one wants to be John Brown.
Kind of like Russia has a numbers advantage in Ukraine.
B-but … when MAGAts occasionally threaten ‘Antifa Communist Marxist Fascists’ on Twitter that they ‘won’t take their bullshit’ much longer, they inevitably pull ‘we have 220 milllion guns’ out of their arse.
That’s because they own like 40 guns themselves. At a certain point they stop being useful when you still only have two hands.
America definitely needs to get a sense of urgency in change, but USA is a much larger, and spread out country than Chile; and it also has the largest & most well funded intelligence agencies helping the oligarchs maintain power.
More spread out than Chile
Is the US even that long?
Yes actually. Chile is 2,653 miles long. The longest longitudinal distance in the continental US is 2,802 miles.
You have cars, yes?
I used longitudinal distance because I wasn’t 100% certain if the measurement for Chile is measuring a line between its two furthest points or just the distance between it’s northernmost and southernmost latitudes. If it’s the latter then it’s a fair comparison, and if it’s the former then Chile gets an unfair advantage but it doesn’t change the result.
Yes, places have geography. Let me know when you’re gonna riot against you government, because if you just want to talk about latitudes and other spherical circumferences all night, I’m afraid I’m already late for a towel folding urgency.
You sound like you need a geography lesson before you try to school anyone on civics.
They do say spread out: the USA actually has a better population distribution than Chile and it’s big in two dimensions, whereas Chile is incredibly tall but also incredibly narrow (think: that goth guy).
That said, Chile is
longtall: we get from above our hemisphere’s tropic line to the friggin’ South pole.We have many vastly different regions, so yes. The commonwealth, the South, the Midwest , the West, the Pacific Northwest, all very far apart and with different immediate concerns.
Yes. Chile is 2653 miles long/tall. The distance from San Diego to Portland (Maine) is 3100 miles. Just Alaska is 2145 miles wide when counting all the Aleutian Islands.
What are the so-called American citizens doing?
The braves from the land of the free are either:
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cowering in fear
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playing victim
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pretending ThInGs ArE nOt tHaT bAd
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all of the above
And you get downvoted for being right and calling it out. This is how it is.
They get downvoted because they attempt to mock instead of acknowledging reality of having the obstacles of the most powerful, and well funded 3 letter agencies subverting any attempt to enact real change in favor of the working class.
It’s just going to be harder than a smaller country that doesn’t have so many radically different regions.
I’ll take the unpopular point that I think is more relevant: it really isn’t that bad for me and likely a lot of other people
My costs are up but I can absorb it, and materially my life isn’t that different. America should 100% buck these fascists, and I think we’re fucked as a country given the bald faced corruption + bigotry, but if my experience holds true for most of the others then it’s still not bad enough to risk what we have.
People have to lose a lot more for things to change.
“Nice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than “politics.” They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who weren’t nice people? Resisters.”
Naomi Shulman
And that’s why it took so long for WWII to happen. We haven’t even had a Reichstag fire yet.
We kind of did on Jan 6. It’s just that Trump suspended all of the consequences until his next term after Biden left office.
So because I don’t go around murdering people who vote Republican, I’m a Nazi?
That’s a viewpoint that will really win a debate. Also, I’m guessing that makes you a Nazi, seeing as you live in the US and don’t seem to be in prison right now.
In the US, we can vote for politicians and we can go to protests and speak out against things we don’t like. We can boycott companies and events. Anything more than that risks more than just “making waves.” People are being killed for protesting ICE.
The point the person you are calling a Nazi is trying to make is that things aren’t bad enough yet that normal people who are just trying to keep their families safe would be willing to commit violent acts. Are you out there doing more than just typing on a keyboard or holding up signs at a protest?
I didn’t call you a Nazi, but if you’re feeling attacked, maybe take some time to reflect. That said, you seem to be willing to do the short term protections for your family. What about the long term? A decade from now? Two decades?
Myopia is best friends with timidity.
Voting is broken here. With entities like AIPAC and the Epstein class manipulating our system, with politicians too scared to do the right thing, with our antiquated system of representation that has had every loophole exploited, to rely on voting to save us is about as short-sighted as one can get.
I am not in prison. I am, however, doing things and I’m unwilling to write any of it down, even if it’s on Lemmy.
No “blue wave” will save us in November if the newly elected officials do nothing to limit their own power, or set term limits, or impeach Trump and find him accountable.
Anything short of an uprising will fall short, and even that is not a guarantee. Meanwhile, people are asking ChatGPT what its favorite color is or for dating advice.
Yeah, things are degrading in the U.S. for everyone, but some faster than others. It’s easy to see the headlines that amplify the worst parts of America and think that’s life for everyone right now.
It probably will be soon enough, but not enough people are experiencing that quite yet, so that’s why there’s no urgency / mass outrage at the moment.
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For a much more people oriented answer: I’m trying to survive. I’m trying to make sure my dad takes his medication right so he doesn’t die. I’m trying to figure out how to pay bills when the local government I work for gave everyone a 2% cost of living raise, then raised taxes 3% and gave the city manager a $26,000 raise even though he was already being paid close to $200k. The only other person I know that doesn’t think trump and all his cronies are the bees knees is elderly, has no retirement and is desperately trying to keep working despite health issues because her husband has cancer and she needs to keep working to pay his bills. Even if I made a ton of money and had help with my dad, I still wouldn’t be able to do anything because of my health, either (I am 100% that friend who would get eaten by the zombies first) I’m not young anymore, either.
I think the internet makes it seem like a lot more people hate what’s going on than there actually is. In my experience, i see a small number of crazy Trump fanatics, a small number of concerned and scared people, and then the vast majority just don’t care. At least for now. That’ll change when they started being affected. By then it’ll be too late.
To sum up: more people don’t give a shit than do. We haven’t reached the part of the poem where "Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me. "
Nothing. And I get poo-pooed when I suggest this sort of thing. Fucking tired of this place, so much so that I’ve been looking to leave. It’s difficult. I just don’t think it’s worth fighting for anymore.
The fun (“fun”) thing is evaluating where to leave to. Other places that used to be cool, aren’t anymore.
My biggest concern is getting close to my aging parents without actually living in my home state of Florida. Fuck. I hate the idea of moving back.
Well that does sound like an issue. Then again it wouldn’t make much more difference where to move to within the US since my understanding is states like Florida and Texas can extradite people from other States (eg.: doctors), right?
Yes, but the state they are trying to extradite from has to cooperate for it to happen.
Do they have to? The extraditing state can just send ICE (aka: Pedophile’s Personal Pawns)
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Apart from those without healthcare eh?
Yeah, but crucially, the ones who are in a position to feel that need keenly enough are sick.
They often have more immediate concerns.
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The whole idea that you have no job you have no healthcare. Dreadful.
Ghettos everywhere. USA could be africa
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Difference is in Europe we beleive society needs the lower earners and they deserve respect.
Basically people have to start starving first.
And by then it’ll be too late because they are starving.
Armies, established or figurative, march on full stomachs. Even the BTS army.
This is what fascism is though. What you’re describing is being complicit in fascism.
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You know what’s funny? The USA installed Pinochet !
Yeah, as well as some other guys.
From here, that doesn’t look anywhere as funny I assure you :p
Part of it is scale. The usa has several individual states that are a larger population than Chile.
Which means more of an amount of people who should be able to do something.
Very cool. When do we get to the public trials and punishments for these nazis? Are we really just gonna let these idiots run this government until 2028?
We aren’t publicly talking about deposing and jailing these people and that’s just unacceptable
IF another political party manages to take control of the government (big if) there had better be a shitload of executions for treason.
Yup.
At this point I won’t even feel satisfied with life behind bars.
If you betray a nation (330 million+ people) you get tried and executed. Period. This nation has done it before for FAR less egregious forms of treason than what we’ve seen over the last 10 years.
This is what I’m saying. Political violence is 100% a valid form of protest.
It’s not the first pick, more like second or third, but we’re WELL past that point.
Until 2028? Oh sweetie, 2028 will be just another fascist year at this rate. Seeing things from the outside looks like you are already in a dictatorship but still don’t realize. The results of 2026 will tell the world if there will be elections or “elections” in 2028.
It’s maddening. At least around my part of the country, the 250th anniversary Independence Day celebrations were fairly muted. It’s like people know it in their bones. But you’re right, “America” is over, and most of us have realized it yet.
I’m aware
If I only could remember where I heard something like this already?
Ah, right, school, German history, that was it.
How about, no?
Ice isn’t enforcing any laws. They are randomly grabbing people and in most cases they are let either right away or after a bit of discovery and such. They so badly don’t want due process because they are not actually going after anyone legally. Its why people have been deported and returned. They just want carte blanche to be judge jury and executioners.
Yes. Trump wants his own “brown shirts” who will then become the SS division.
(tangentially I am ticked off they kept stealing Tutonic and Norse symbols (and one very prominent Indian one) and turned them into “symbols of hate”. The SS uses Suwilo ( it looks like an angular “s” or “stylized lightning bolt”.)
I get your tangent. Its like. You think your going to valhalla dude. Pretti and goode will go to valhalla. You not so much.
Communicating in text is sometimes difficult. I expect you weren’t saying I’m not gonna go to Valhalla. Putting quotes around the phrase would make it clear.
I’m more of German descent than Scandinavian and I understand that their mythologies were fairly similar. For example, today’s Santa Claus is actually Teutonic Wotan. It blew my mind when I learned that. I’m just very fascinated by Norse mythology. I blame the old Thor comics that I read when I was a kid that were actually versions of stories of Thor in Valhalla.
Amazingly they were kind of sort of based on the actual legends. The death of Baldr by Loki’s treachery, the birth of Sleipnir by Loki when he was in horse form. The half-giant Thor, famous for felling giants.
I wonder what you call an organization that use terror to get what it want… /s
USA
All quiet from the 2nd amendment dickheads i see
After decades of preaching to everyone about how school shootings are just the price you have to pay for freedom from tyranny, they all shut up and joined ICE.
Hrmm. Reminds me of someone.
My mind went to the crime boss from Reservoir Dogs, but yours is even more apt.
Good pull.
