I’m pretty sure you can just open one can of surstromming and save yourself all the effort of the eggs.
What does that mean in American?
basically swedish rotten fish
What the other guy said. Just search up some videos of people opening it. If I remember correctly, the ‘appropriate’ way to open the can is in a tub of water, because the smell is so horrible.
It’s like putting a lit m-80 in a durian and taking it into the jury room.
Take it easy Satan… talk about evil.
I’ve only served on jury duty once, and it was kinda fucked up. Child abuse case, and we were all kinda on the fence leaning toward defendant was guilty, but the evidence presented was just absolute dogshit. Lots of reasonable doubts.
Found the dude not guilty on the premise that we’d rather let a guilty piece of shit off the hook than risk convicting someone who’s innocent, but it felt real fuckin icky to give that verdict over what was most likely just a lazy investigation by the cops.
Hope the kid turned out okay… must have absolutely zero faith in the legal system because of that.
As one of those kids, he’ll probably turn out okay. As a juror, it’s better to let a piece of shit go free than make an innocent person rot in jail.
When the kid grows up I would almost guarantee that he would make the same decision.
it’s better to let a piece of shit go free than make an innocent person rot in jail.
In both cases the piece of shit goes free. Which is somehow really hard for people to understand.
You did the right thing. It’s also important that cops and prosecutors do their job and stop relying on horrible accusations to be enough to convict anyone they want.
We’re close enough to the French https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror as it is. I still think Al Franken really didn’t do anything seriously wrong.
I don’t remember the name, but some lawyer on YouTube explained that exactly the problem you all had, is why he doesn’t struggle defending someone who is “obviously” guilty.
You can’t really know that right of the bat. You need at least some good evidence. Basically he is making sure that all the other people do their job correctly.
You wouldn’t believe the amount of cases we shelve because cops are incompetent. Or maybe you will if you know anything about cops.
and LAZY, they wont bother with small petty crimes.
Though it’s important to remember that modern juries expect CSI-level investigations from the cops, where you can simply “enhance” a photo until the suspect is easily identifiable and all criminals coat the crime scene in semen prior to fleeing, so if there’s no clear footage or DNA evidence, a lot of people think that must mean the cops are incompetent.
CSI show exaggerates those things dont really happen in real life at all, they dont have fancy way of detecting blood, footprints, fingerprints, or some microscopic evidence. also fingerprints have been shown to be extremely unreliable as of the latest research.
A lot of true crime stories start with “the cops did nothing for the first 2 weeks” or “a lot of evidence went missing and the lead detective got busy” or "they said it was just a runaway case until a body showed up. Cops are dumb as dog shit and care only about protecting and serving themselves. Sure there are some good cops but not enough.
i remember seeing one youtube, where a cousin/friend was suspected of murder, but the cops dint question him or did anything. many people in the comments said the cop was likely related so they ended the INVESTIGATIon of the killing.
Sorry you had to deal with that. It sounds like you did the job properly, as shitty as that is.
Real human bean
Ya’ll if you don’t want to serve just tell the court you know what jury nullification is and ask to be dismissed. No need for biological warfare.
In some places, telling potential jurors about jury nullification is considered juror tampering.
It’s better to phrase it differently without actually saying the words “jury nullification”. Something like, “I would vote not guilty if the law is unjust.”
I am going to make everyone suffer because I have to participate in society 😇
I’ve never understand why people always complain about jury duty in particular. I’ve never been called, but I think it sounds like an interesting experience.
I served in a jury once on a criminal case, we found the defendant not guilty and got to see him be freed. That felt pretty nice to be a part of that.
Yeah you get to sit in a lobby for 3 hours, then the judge calls you in to tell you to be back in an hour after lunch. The you come back and sit a few more hours until they call you back in to tell you what time to be back the next day
Mostly it’s money related. Some people literally cannot afford to attend jury duty because of how little compensation there is for their time; like in my area, if it takes two weeks you get compensated $4.75 an hour compared to a full time job which is $13.50 below minimum wage ($18.25).
I also think it would be cool and would like to attend, but then I wouldn’t be able to pay rent if it goes on too long.
in the west its only 15/day, if you are on the juror pool. and it was 3-4 days, i make more than that in half of a shift.
Yup, here you get minimum wage which is only slightly over federal.
It’s because they don’t value your time.
I was exempt from jury duty while serving in the US military, but at one particular base I was stationed at, they put me on a list of potential jury members for any military trials held in the area.
My boss got selected to sit in on a trial, but I never got called. He was super excited about it. He said it was a fascinating case and he couldn’t wait to spill the details once the trial concluded.
To this day, I’ve never been called on. I kinda hope it happens one day. I’m retired now and have nothing better to do.
was he chosen, from what ive gathered they usually reject people that are too excited for jury duty.
I wouldn’t mind doing it. I was actually summoned twice in a two year period, but my stupid ADHD ass neglected to show up because I was really bad at time management back then. They have not summoned me since :(.
Also jury nullification exists, which can be fun.
if you are willing to sit a juror pool for like several days straight, where they spends hours questioning each juror of why they can and cannot serve. its really annoying and time consuming, and people have jobs. most of the people in my area can afford to take time off, majority of the juror pool i was in was tech/programmer. its very anxiety inducing if you dont want to be there.
Wait, so you have to take vacation days for jury duty? Your employer doesn’t have to give you leave? That’s fucked up lol. Every time I think the US couldn’t be more fucked than it already is, I get proven wrong lol.
You reminded me of an excellent quote: “the USA is not a first world country. It’s 50 third world countries in a trench coat”.
Yeah do they not legally have to pay you for it in the us or something? That’s messed up
They pay you but it’s like enough for lunch.
In most (maybe all) states, you do get paid by the state, but it is something hilariously low. In my state it is $20 a day I believe, which is not much above the minimum hourly wage for my area.
The assholes in my city don’t even pay you enough to cover parking in the local parking garages they fucking recommend you use, let alone gas or meal expenses, for the day.
i sat in one last sept, it was very boring and very annoying if you a job. basically the 1st 2 days is roll call like 200+people, and they may or may not take "excuses’ to be excluded from jd. if you are selected you have to sit in a courtroom usually 8am sharp and then sit there for 7+hrs listening to peoples “biases” of why they can or cannot be in the jury(with breaks). they will sus you out if you try the JD nullfication tactic, and they might end up choosing you. its incredibally annoying. this went on for 3-4 days, because people were trying to get out of jury duty( they have to vet every single person they call to the stand. its usually they choose 12 main jurors and 3-6 alternates, the only ones that usually are excused are people who are old(70+), have a disability, or thier jobs require so much time commiment they cant afford to be jury duty. almost everyone in my Jury pool were in tech, so mostly can afford to have time off, only a few one cant speak or understand English clearly(chinese immigrant), one is DEAF or very hearing impaired.lawyers, LEOs are also excluded mostly.
then they go through biases like someone is too emotional, or some is a former lawyer from another country (germany) which she gave the reason why a jury is inefficient, she was excused. 1 chick tried her hardest of being A SJW(organizing/prostesting,etc).
some people cant afford to be in a jury because of money. In a HCOL thats less likely.
why is society so shit
“OMG DELICIOUSSSSSS!!!”
Your fellow jurors are suffering enough, why do you have to make it worse?
I really enjoyed my stint as a juror. Never tried to weasel out of it either.
It’s an important civic duty. For every opportunity to find Luigi did nothing wrong, there is a terrible case.
I had a friend who had a 8 month jury stint over a infamous and grusome child murder. They had to review detailed forensic evidence. He had to go to therapy for panic attacks for years.
if you have alot of time on your hands. but in most cases people cant afford to take work off just do it, they lose out on alot of money. and most states pay very little, like a few bucks to 15/day if you are selected. federal might pay more. difference between 5$ and few hundred or more is quite significant.
And an ipa
And some asparagus for that reeky pee
I thought being on a jury might be quite interesting, until I found out you don’t get paid for it. Fuck that, I’m not working for free.
You get paid where I live, but it’s some useless amount like $12/day.
that is effectively not getting paid imo
I got bills to pay. I’m not living a lavish life. either it matches my income, or I find a way out of it
Especially if the trial is 20, 30, 40 weeks long
Employers should have to give you paid time off for it
Some do
That’s why they call it a civic duty, not a job.
Where are you not being paid? It’s always paid here. It’s just a lot less than minimum wage (like $75 for the whole shebang no matter how long it lasts).
The rate was so low in Harris County, TX several years ago that the day rate wouldn’t even pay for parking and the cheapest lunch at the courthouse cafeteria.
Depending on how long the trial lasts, that wouldn’t even cover travel expenses.
That’s effectively working for free.
I forget the minimum length, but my state also gives a per diem if the trial is longer than a certain number of days. But like some one else said, it’s only like $12/day. Like barely enough to cover a lunch. IDK if they feed you tho. I have never actually had to go; I’m always cut during the “call in and check your group number” phase. The paperwork details payment; doesn’t say much about food, travel, or any of that.
I knew someone who got picked for jury duty on a trial that lasted over a month in federal court over 2 hours from where he lived.
He ended up having to take out loans to cover his travel expenses on top of his normal living expenses. He got paid something like $7/day for the entire trial and his job only gave 5 days of PTO for the whole year and didn’t pay for jury duty like a lot of businesses do, so after the first week he had no income.
I’d just stop showing up at that point, that’s ridiculous. Financial hardship is a legitimate reason to get out of jury duty where I live.
I mean…think about that for a minute. If you’re being paid less than minimum wage then how are you supposed to afford to live? Some people live paycheck to paycheck.
I got summoned recently and was excited. Ever8I worked with seemed odd that I was excited. The guy took a deal so they dismissed us around 11-12.
The court wrote a small check but I got a full pay day from my job. Union benefits for the win.
Last time I went they paid like $25 for the entire day.
That would barely cover your costs to be there.
the first day spend around 7+hrs sitting on hard wooden benches. yea it wont cover the hours lost if you were working.
But the hours are good.
This not universally true. Can vary by country, province, and court system level.
That’s a lot of food. You could feed a family of 4 on that.
They’re going to eat from the same container for the whole week. It’ll get better every day.
The family that farts together stays together.
Simply because nobody else will have them. Too much ass air!
This is only punishing the other jurors stuck there too. Unless they are putting out enough ppm to be noticeable even 15 feet away in an open air room.
I don’t understand you humans.
Why does “everyone else has to suffer” if you are stuck with jury duty?
What are you?
A meat Popsicle?
No idea, but pretty certain that i’m not the same species that i read about every day in the news.
12 angry farts
