Dems are coupable to everything the Republicans have done. They are on the same team. Against us
Sincerely - a non extremist dem
We’ve been voting for the Democrats to vote progressive for years.
Let’s figure out an agreement and perhaps we’re on board.
Won’t do anything where I live. Every single non-MAGA person here could vote Dem and the Republicans would still take it in a landslide.
And if you don’t vote in primaries, you need to start. It’s the only chance any of us have a say-so on who ends up on the Dem ticket.
- There is a material difference between the Democrats and Republicans that’s worth observing. Dems are merely corrupt politicians: the Republicans are Xtian extremist white-nationalist fascists.
- It is vanishingly unlikely that a 3rd party candidate can win in 99% of the elections. Most successful independent politicians became independent after they were first elected, and win as incumbents.
- Not voting for the viable candidate running against the fascist GOP, because that candidate is not as $SOMETHING as you want them to be, is simply demonstrating privilege, that you are insulated enough from the effects of the fascist regime that you’re not personally harmed by the fascists winning. Vote like defeating the fascists is the only objective.
Fortunately I have rank choice voting, so I can vote for the progressive candidates first and also the center-right Democratic candidates after
And then continue to work to make the party more reflective of its members
Will do, sir!!!
Fight fascism by voting for my good friends, the blue fascists
fIgHt FaSciSm bY eMpOwErInG aCtUaL nAzIs
Do you not agree that the democratic party is responsible for the acceleration of the genocide in Gaza? Seems pretty Nazi like, or at least cool with Nazis.
Why limit yourself to one genocide when you can 17x the deaths by letting maga win?? Going to keep posting this until someone gives me a sane answer:
Trump’s choice to immediately dismantle America’s climate policy will kill 1.3 million people, most in India/China/Pakistan/developing African countries. Tell me again how superior you are by throwing away a vote to keep them alive.
Biden shattered trumps record of fossil fuel production lmao. America is the number one co2 producing nation. You’re killing us all, no matter if the president is blue or red, lmfao.
Not sure what that has to do with anything, Trump is shattering that even more. Unless you’d prefer the US stop production and fuel usage increase by 30+% just through shipping oil from the middle east.
Biden had total greenhouse gas emissions (you know, the thing that actually matters) down to their lowest level since 1989. Lowest per-capita since 1940. Tell me more about why Americans should give tacit approval for mass death, displacement and extinction with a non-vote to halt and reverse that progress.
Give me the math on how many millions of brown lives you approve of murdering by that method in the name of accelerationism. I’m not joking, tell me. How does permanent and irreversible climate damage, hurting countless future generations, stack up against X million lives today?
[BTW China has overtaken the US in total GHG and CO2 emissions for a while now, should probably take that lie out of your argument]
I think America should be brought to collapse with crippling sanctions and then your country disarmed and balkanized so you can’t do anymore damage to the rest of us. Every living leader should go through Nuremberg style trials.
Should we go by per capita? Or count the emissions produced by China in the production of American goods against you, lol? You offloaded your manufacturing to China and then blame them for making your shit? Get serious, please.
That’s a fine position to have if you want to hold it. But that still dodges my actual question: what does any of that, in a real material way, have to do with putting a blue ballot in a box to prevent the mass tragedy of millions of climate deaths?
The onus is on you:
Prove to me that allowing the red fascists to be elected will lead to a better material outcome worth those millions of lives
You aren’t doing that, you’re just throwing a fit about reformism and giggling at the schadenfreude of policies like ICE and tariffs hurting Americans; ignoring the real and permanent damage done to millions across the globe.
Your position is childish and unconsidered. If you think it’s imperative that the USA collapse then why aren’t you banging the drum calling for foreign military intervention to dismantle it? Why would Democrats being in power prevent that solution? People are dying while you sit on the sideline and smirk, you’re no better than your imagined “blue maga”.
WRT China emissions: per capita the USA emissions were shrinking faster than China’s per capita emissions were growing. So yeah I guess we can talk about that if you want to be wrong?
Also, you don’t need to hallucinate offshored USA emissions, consumption based emissions are tracked for us
Look up some facts before you imagine more gotchas that doesn’t exist
America is the number one co2 producing nation.
China almost triples the U.S. CO2 output.
You might be thinking per capita, but that’s not really as important as which countries pump out the most total CO2 emissions.
They are cool with Nazis as long as it’s their Nazis
A Nazi in a blue uniform is still a Nazi
blue fascists
Lol. No easier way to let us know your lukewarm IQ.
Wait, you’re that guy that incessantly posts in the Late Stage Capitalism sub. The sub that’s moderated by a single fucking loser (GodlessCommie) who bans people who disagree with his dipshit uneducated opinions. The fucking loser that tries to siphon votes away from the Democrat party by trying to make everyone on his dipshit sub apathetic so we can keep being cucked by fascist Republicans. The fucking loser that can’t handle people violating his safe space.
Your credibility is shot, kiddo. Begone.
I want to hear from him as much as I want to hear from Clinton, none. He’s a fucking sheepdog that tries to play the good cop for the oligarchy
Don’t worry I will anyone who isn’t an AIPAC shill or centrist will have my vote.
You need to include AIPAC adjacent, they are just one of many PACs backing Israel. And there’s a handful doing the work of AIPAC for free
Did/will you vote in your state primary this year?
Haha, jokes on you my state democratic party decided it knows best and didn’t bother to have a primary for any of my elected offices. Counting 2026, I haven’t had a primary to vote in for my last House election, my last US Senate election, my last Governor election, my last presidential election, my last school board election, or my last city council election. I feel soo represented
Which state? I’ve only ever heard of two states leaving the presidential race off it and then only in 2024.
Every state had no democratic primary for president in 2024
Well that’s just plain disinformation bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Only Florida and Delaware left the presidential race of their Democratic primary ballots. There were like 7 candidates for the presidential race on the ballot in Texas.
edit: adding links to the two cited Virginia primaries
Virginia 2026 Democratic primary Senate race
Virginia 2025 Democratic primary gubernatorial race only had one candidate running unopposed
https://ballotpedia.org/Virginia_gubernatorial_election,_2025_(June_17_Republican_primary)
Granted I would prefer to still have the vote so people can cast an empty or write-in ballot. But there wasn’t a blatantly nefarious plot to deprive the voters of a choice between declared candidates.
Great roll call nomination, with only one candidate. Yet she didn’t get 100% of the votes - Some would rather abstain
I’m sorry, let me correct my statement then. At no point did I have a vote in the selection of any of those democratic candidates, my rubber stamp vote for Biden did not select Kamala. There was no alternative for Spanberger, and my city just straight up cancelled their Dem primaries this year. There is a uncomfortably wide and long-running pattern of the field clearing for the party candidate before the question is put to the voters. But you got me on a technicality, I’m spouting misinformation
Hah! Yes! Virginia is no primary, but has important warm water port! No one can deny!
Yeah, call me a Russian bot for complaining that the Democratic party is not as democratic as I wish it was. You’re helping.
I will be voting and I usually do.
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Remember why the Republicans lost the Spanish Civil War. They couldn’t get over their internal squabbling and purity tests.
Lmao
It totally depends on the candidate, their platform and who is financing their campaign. Just voting for someone because theyre a democrat gives us people like Kristen Sinema, Joe Manchin and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez who end up voting with the fascists.
Bernie also gave Pennsylvania Fetterman
Bernie couldn’t have predicted his traumatic brain damage
Explain at what time and how he was brain damaged?
This is who fettermans always been to anyone paying attention
Thanks to the ignorant cunts who ignore primaries thinking they don’t matter.
When that happens your November choice is between whoever got through the primary or the MAGAt, so people sit it out and bitch about their choices.
If enough progressives actually got involved rather than whining about things they could make huge gains and reshape the pathetic Democrats, alas, it’s easier to whine on the internet then go pay attention in the summer and stand in line to vote.
Voters have helped train the party that they can be horrible politicians that are never held accountable because voters will keep coming back. And every election they get slightly worse, because there is no accountability. Our current political landscape is the fault of the VBNMW crowd that’s allowed it to happen, including getting trump elected.
New York, and now Michigan, and I’m sure others will follow suite electing more progressive candidates because suddenly people are realizing primaries matter. Pointing backwards and shouting at the past isn’t going to get all those fucking pedophiles out of office.
https://www.npr.org/2026/08/05/g-s1-137422/primary-elections
BE salty, but put that anger toward something useful, like helping a non establishment candidate win in a primary.
It doesn’t matter of Democrats are the majority or minority party if they do nothing to benefit the working class. You voted for what you didn’t want in office and got it anyway.
I’m guessing you either did the same, or didn’t vote.
I dont support fascists of either color
Oh, so did you get what you didn’t vote for?
I’d rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don’t want, and get it.
Eugene V. Debs
Fetterman, Manchin, and Sinema, bad as they are and were, were still the better choice compared to their general election opponents.
An occasional collaborator sucks,. but is less-bad than either an unrepentant facist or an aligned “moderate” like Collins.
People also fail to take account of Fetterman’s stroke, which clearly affected his allegiances.
He was known before it as a homespun man of the people.
Brain damage causes conservatism.
This is such a good point I hate to see it buried. The GOP in those areas would vote in satan2 if he had a red hat and said nice things about them.
Agreed. Fuck Fetterman, but fuck Oz even more.
I feel like people forget that the alternative to Fetterman was Dr Oz.
Swapping Fetterman for Oz would have given the GOP majorities in both House and Senate, put Mitch McConnell back as Senate President, and generally been an objectively worse outcome.
Exactly this. I don’t disagree with wanting to cut the weakest members of the team to find someone better, but that’s for the primaries.
Looking at real numbers, Fetterman is better than Manchin or Sinema. Fetterman breaks with party lines around 25% of the time while Sinema was at 33% and Manchin was almost 40%. That makes him around twice as good as Manchin.
Idealogically, he also seems to stack up more favorably than both Manchin and Sinema, and a few other well know congressfolk that never get brought up in these conversations. Fetterman, like Manchin and Sinema, just seems to draw more attention to himself when he does it.
Do I dislike Fetterman and want him gone and replaced by someone better? Heck yeah! But the record shows he’s about 75% better than having Dr Oz as my senator would have been. Ignoring the times he did do what he was sent to do is very misleading to people that don’t take the time to look at actual data, which is going to be nearly everyone. Conor Lamb’s ideology score doesn’t look any better, so what we got is still about the best we had a chance to get.
It totally depends on the candidate …
That’s what the primaries are for. Hope you have or will vote in yours this year.
And who was the other option? Was it a Republican? Is it your assertion tha the Republican they were running against would have had a better voting record? Because that’s what you’re saying if you’re saying not to vote for the Democrat, no matter how shitty.
Or are you saying magically go back in time and run someone better? Because the opportunity to do so was not the general, but th eprimary.
But when it comes down to the general and you have one blue and one red option, GIVE ME ONE FUCKING EXAMPLE WHERE VOTING RED OR NOT VOTING BLUE IS THE CORRECT CHOICE.
Because all these people who sit out the vote are effectively voting red.
Also depends on the type of election. If you aren’t a fascist and you don’t vote Dem in a FEDERAL election (presidency) then there is something broken inside your brain and you need to immediately seek a more thorough education.
There is more nuance in smaller local/state elections though. But, assuming you aren’t a fascist, you still need to determine whether a Republican (fascist) will win if you don’t vote Dem.
If you want to vote 3rd party you need to accept that you are getting in on an enterprise building up from the basement of a very large building. You’re going to need to vote 3rd party for very small local offices for a very long time before you can start voting for them on a state level, and even longer before voting for them on a federal level. There is no cheat code to bypass this.
