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They will say this is a proxy war but will say that Russia helping Iran isn’t the same thing as a proxy war.
Rules for me and not for thee
Would Iran collapse without Russia’s assistance? Can Ukraine afford to decline any form of help from NATO countries? These come to mind.
How can it be a war on Russia, they chose to invade. They can simply leave again at any time
history started on 2022. you clearly chose to be ignorant to the long history of nato’s offensive expansionism.
Did it start in December 1994 when they signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances?
Or in 2014 when Russia violated it the first time?
You guys are pissed because one country can’t keep a promise and the others are doing what they said they would do.
funny you mention 2014, the year the west did a coup and violated the agreement! nato is a fascist organization and you should stop pretending otherwise. it needs to be dismantled, along with the rest of the empires war machinery, you little nazi apologist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxL5E7-Nejc
Where’s that coup the west did in 2014? You didn’t link it.
And buddy a free country can join whatever organization they want. Russia is the one that didn’t keep their end of the agreement
Also fuck Nazis. I’m not a fan of when America also swings its dick around and invades sovereign countries, either.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_coup_d'etat
here you have a link but you’re not going to like it because it wasn’t mouthfed to you by some western three letter agency. a free country does not join a nazi organization, fascism is the complete opposite of freedom or whatever bullshit you believe in. not one member of nato is a free country, they’re either vassal states or perpetrators of imperialism. they either actively commit it or passively support it. you’re to the left of fascism amigo, you’re the one enabling them, so you cannot say with a straight face “fuck nazis”.
- Obama admitted to supporting and arming Neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalist groups like the Azov battalion in Ukraine to overthrow it’s former pro-Russia govt, 2. Ukraine now has a pro-US, nazi-glorifying government with ultranationalism, anti-semitism, neo-nazi pogroms, and attacks on LGBT groups.
- Leaked transcripts show Victoria Nuland, a US diplomat in Ukraine, picking Yanukoviche’s replacement in the coup.
- A leaked phone call of the Estonian foreign minister states that the famous Maidan sniper attack was actually ordered by the US-funded opposition. This means that Yanukovich’s government was not behind the sniper attack, but somebody in the US coalition.
- Obama admitted to supporting and arming Neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalist groups like the Azov battalion in Ukraine to overthrow it’s former pro-Russia govt, 2. Ukraine now has a pro-US, nazi-glorifying government with ultranationalism, anti-semitism, neo-nazi pogroms, and attacks on LGBT groups.
You mean countries wanting to voluntarily join NATO to help defend themselves against Russia?
Because that information is important when talking about “expansionism”
those countries gave birth to fascism, installed nazi officials inside nato, bombed yugoslavia, and you want me to think they are the good guys? cia talking points.
good guys ? no, lesser evil… yes, there are no good guys
so you’re telling me these guys are the lesser evil? the nazis are the lesser evil? the same nazis who planned operation condor? the same nazis who did regime change in all of the middle east? the same nazis who kidnapped maduro? the same nazis who bombed little girls at school in iran? the same nazis committing genocide in palestine? the same nazis who killed among their own ewwwropean kin during ww2? the ones that enslaved africa? or do you mean the ones who bombed cambodia and vietnam? or do you mean the nazis who still to this day keep colonies in third world countries while talking about democracy? or the good nazis are the ones that poisoned the amazon? you are not the lesser evil, you are the greatest of all evil among earth, you are the scum and rot of humankind. shut the fuck up before speaking shit about any country, because your hands are so filthy with the blood of so many people you’d need a hundred years to wash off your guilt, but you’re not even interested in starting that. you want to convince me you’re good. fuck you gringo de mierda.
it’s say it’s more of a NATO proxy war against russia, with the US being a major stakeholder.
a proxy proxy war if you will
Well. If that is true. Russia cannot win a proxy war it seems. Let alone when NATO actually joins the war.
But no, this is not a proxy war against Russia… Russia attacked, Ukraine asked for help, and some countries (that are also in NATO) decided to help.
how are they winning the war, then?
Thats the point. For a long time : neither. Currently? Ukraine.
ukraine is losing territory faster than you could type that sentence.
How is Ukraine winning?
Are you Russian? Because I think maybe you are being told … Misinformation :-)
Ukraine, a much smaller military force then Russia, have not just been able to stop the invasion at a certain point. But is now starting to win back ground, and disrupt daily life in Moskou, and basically every other part of Russia. (Oil, the Russian version of Amazon, forgot the name)
Ukraine is holding all the cards at the moment. The EU desperately want them to join the EU. Because they simply have the best military stuff and knowhow right now.
No, I am not Russian, and taking a racist stance immediately is absurd.
Ukraine is day by day losing ground, and is running out of people willing to fight, resorting to conscription and even kidnappings. This is no mere “misinformation,” OSINT mapping channels continue to make it clear that Russia is steadily gaining ground. Moreover, Ukraine lacks the ability to continue to spread out this war, as quantitative losses build up, qualitative leaps in war development continue. What seems to be a slow encroachment on Russia’s part comes with decreasing capabilities on Ukraine’s side to match this, resulting in Kiev’s desparate attempts to turn this into a broader war by targeting Iranian ships.
Ukraine is holding none of the cards right now. The front line is giving away beneath their feet day by day, and are going to end up as a rump state with disastrous demographic collapse that the EU will be forced to prop up in the years following the war. The ones most hurt by this war are the Ukrainian working classes, the compradors in power in Ukraine are largely safe, and Russia is steadily achieving all of its stated aims.
Please report racist comments like these.
The western goldfish take.
goldfish memory is the only way that this makes sense. lol
The US owns NATO.
I keep wondering how the government would react if Euro countries had aided Iraq in the same way Euros are aiding Ukraine right now; whatever method Bush would have used, Russia would be equally justified in using frankly
Uh-huh. Russia invades Ukraine… and the U.S. started the war with Russia? Logic is not strong with this one.
