Maybe if people with your ideology only make things that harm you it’s an opportunity to reflect.
If communism is a failed system, why does the HS keep going after communist places? Surely they’re not a threat right? 🤔
What does “the HS” mean here?
Should have been “US” but my phone had other plans.
…must be that dang communism again 🤣
Communists? On my equally shared, federated social media!? No way!
from each according to their memes folder, to each according to their degree of unemployedness
I do want to add this: I’m not big on theory. There was a time when I found that stuff interesting, but ever since I became acquainted with the concept of map and territory, I’ve been skeptical of any kind of total systems models because I think they tend to be far closer to the imaginal than to reality.
I want to keep my feet closer to the ground. Which is why I find a lot of the debates and flame wars about each person’s preferred -ism to be rather pointless. Every system that tries to meet reality with tangible results must contend with hostility from competitors both within and without. No ideology survives this fully intact.
That all said, I think an understated reality is how wildly successful the software and information freedom movements have been, particularly in our capitalist world (if you want to call it that). At least in the sphere of information itself, the gpl and other copyleft licenses lowkey have the potential to strike at the heart of capital, and have gradually been eroding private property wherever it manages to establish itself. At this point it is unstoppable.
Open-source is a communist, or socialist, or anarchist project because it turns private property against itself and builds commons anew. And yes, property is theft.
What you’re describing is the “all models are wrong, some are useful” problem.
the gpl and other copyleft licenses lowkey have the potential to strike at the heart of capital
The problem is they are legal fictions enforced and upheld by a state that is fundamentally controlled by capitalist interests. If they played by the rules of their own game you would be correct, but they have shown repeatedly that the rules are irrelevant only the outcome matters and the outcome you are hoping for is not one they will allow.
I wholly reject your view on software and capitalism. Libre-software has given capitalists a commons to rape and the ability to accrue capital at a rate that’s new. It’s the bedrock of surveillance-capitalism.
(I have an issue with the name: it’s really just capitalism. I am not convinced by Shoshana’s writings that it needs distinction. Because it’s about computers and software it immediately becomes opaque to laymen and accrues a type of mysticism. Commodification of a new product does not necessitate a new sub-type of capitalism, otherwise there should be distinctions between oil-capitalism, consumer-capitalism, marketed-capitalism and so-forth into an endless jumble of nonsense.
Shoshana’s writings are reactionary. They’re the concerned mumblings of a previously privileged class becoming increasingly exploited as capitalism necessitates new markets to exploit–and that new market now necessitates the surveillance of their class to generate data from which services can be sold.)
Libre-software is a very clear example of why socialist programs fail in competition with capitalist endeavors when the structures of capitalism are not dismantled. The reality is the internet and the economy now operates via libre-software. Just as the working-class is exploited for their labour the commons of libre-software is plundered. Both are undeniable.
The plundering of libre-software does not weaken the capitalist’s position. It only strengthens it and reinforces it. It’s the reason you have the Americans attempting to create a technocracy or techno-feudalism.
You read big yudds regurgitated philosophy and just decided to fuck’n’ yeet that baby out with the bathwater huh?
sadly most Foss supports capital. Copyleft and stallman-y radicalism have always been fringe vs permissive licenses and projects paid for by corpos.
: Person posts something about communism.
: Buncha people in the comments inevitably say the same stale, dumb things about communism.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
B-B-B-But Chai-nyha
China? Russia? US? Where’s that 3 Spiderman pointing meme?
"I mean yeah, they absolutely did.
Communism is fantastic in theory, but in reality it doesn’t work, and it won’t ever work, because our species just doesn’t work like that.
People are, by and large, greedy, power hungry and prone to corruption, and this is why we can’t have nice things and are destroying the planet."
OryxAndCake, please enlighten me. From your perspective the need for communism must become immediate. If humans are myopic and selfish the enshrining of an economic system that rewards the most base characteristics of humanity–capitalism–must be opposed now. Safeguards–systemic regulations–must be created to guard against the worst characteristics of mankind. These characteristics are immutable. The need is undeniably apparent. These systems should be democratic, with all citizens being participants exactly to diminish the baser flaws of our nature. That is exactly what communism aspires to do!
Capitalism is contradictory in theory and barbaric in reality. Your dimwitted snark doesn’t make sense. From such a position the capitalist that adulterates their product should be shielded from any consequences. There should be no regulatory decrees or no body polities at all, because those are naive things. No courts or magistrates! Of course this makes sense: humanity is trash! Because of this eternal truth let’s dismantle every polity that attempts to bring justice and enforce laws. Burn it all down, because why would anyone every do anything altruistically?
Don’t you know: people are awful. This is an unchanging constant. The fact nation’s even have any benign or positive institutes is contradictory and is not real, because people are awful: they wouldn’t even attempt such a feat in the first place! They wouldn’t exist, yet they did and they do. Your premise is maddening because it’s not a premise at all. It’s pure infantile snark. Its only purpose is to highlight the need for regulation and the participation of those being governed.
It’s a banal quip about totalitarianism, not communism. It’s misplaced.
you uh, replied to the post but I think you meant to reply to that silly sausage who is insisting communism is childish.
It’s a little refreshing to see a communist Mr. Gotcha for once.
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Hey now not all of us are communists, some of us are deranged Rednecks who throw out the term Jeffersonian socialist to annoy and confuse people.
People really do come into comments sections instead of going to their doctor about their high blood pressure.
Low blood pressure* we’re self medicating.
I wish lemmy had a silence replies feature.
yeah but HASAN PIKER!!!
screams in terror
You mean authoritarians who “identify” as communists.
Damn communists! They ruined communism!
I mean yeah, they absolutely did.
Communism is fantastic in theory, but in reality it doesn’t work, and it won’t ever work, because our species just doesn’t work like that.
People are, by and large, greedy, power hungry and prone to corruption, and this is why we can’t have nice things and are destroying the planet.
Why waste time saying nothing? Please start using your brin
Ah, the human nature argument.
More like western elites’ nature.
Because only western people are shitty? Or only the western ‘elites’? Does being ‘elite’ from a non western country automatically absolve somebody from this?
I think I’m also going to need to get you to define ‘western’ and ‘elite’ here too.
Individualism and egotism are what make y’all bad people in general. I dare you to live a year in a country with communitarian values to deprogram.
I think this might be telling on yourself a little bit, because I’m not really greedy or power hungry or prone to corruption, and most of the people I associate with aren’t either
Yes, of course, because when I said ‘most people’ I clearly meant everyone.
And if you, and most of the people you know, are in positions of power and not shitty people, then you’re either a pleasant person with nice friends, or lying. Either way, good for you.
What are your opinions on piracy? Do you pirate software/media?
What about adblocking?
Good bit, very convincing character
Yes you are so smart and above it all. Magic human nature is to blame for everything, people are not products of their material reality at all. We should all just be misanthropic dorks and never try to do anything to better anything while spouting off rightwing idealist nonsense that is observably false.
No, I’m just as human as the rest of you. I just don’t believe people are capable of communism. Communism always ends with corrupt, power hungry dictators.
People are not capable of being better, if we were we would have done so by now. Humans have been around for 100,000 years or so, in various forms, so why in all our the known history, have we not been better yet? And why is it at all logical to assume we suddenly could be, despite this?
If I lived with your level of cynicism and bleak ass outlook every day I would kill myself, but you’ve shown us all today that people are capable of going beyond expectations
Wow, what a ray of sunshine you are!
And who knew that lemmy communists were such an intelligent, thoughtful and all together pleasant bunch?
If you don’t like it here, kindly fuck off instead of shitting up the place
Lol I’m not even a communist
100,000 years or so, in various forms
Homosapiens have been around for 300,000 years. Homos (lol) have been around for millions of years. Homo erectus was around for just shy of two million years alone.
And for the vast majority of that time we weren’t engaged on a free market economy.
Thanks for the correction, I really should have looked that up before writing it down.
That ‘free market economy’ wasn’t born of a vacuum with no prior human influence. We made it.
You’re just reiterating your observably false nonsense. Humans have improved from actual barbarians to slavers to civilised groups. Also “if everyone would just…” is not at all a communist position.
Also unsure if you realise this or not but you have the same misanthropic ideology of a mass shooter.
And no offence but ‘civillised groups’? Lmao, you’re going to have to define this too because fuck me does it reek of collonialism.
How are you defining babary? Just so I know exactly how to disprove your statement, please.
Wow uneven development is not something Marxists have ever studied /s
I’m sorry but you don’t even have the faintest idea of what you’re talking about I don’t think we can hold a productive conversation. I hope you can educate yourself and move beyond your edgy teenager mass shooter ideology phase.
I’m probably twice your age. Over 50 people in my family, that I know of, were killed in the gulags and I grew up hearing about just how great communism was from my Polish family, who lived under communism till 1989.
I too though had a Marxist phase as a teenager and I so strongly believed people were capable of being better if only they would read Marx and follow his ideas.
And then I grew the fuck up and stopped believing in magical opposite world realities suddenly coming into fruition.
Power corrupts and those with power over us will always be corrupted. There is no such thing as a benevolent dictator.
A lot of ya’ll have a lot to say about the surprised Pikachu meme.
Been on here for under a year,
Basically if you want to own a house and a car and if you belive being successful is a good thing than you are a toxic individual. If you still believe in the American dream of owning luxuries and being able to afford groceries, you’re a piece of shit and if you have goals in life, that go against the hive mind you’re a piece of shit.
But yeah, we’re all free thinking individuals with our own opinions except you’re wrong and a absolute piece of fucking shit when you have the opposing view…
Welcome to Lemmy.
if you think success is measured in dollars, you drank the kool-aid your owners served you and I’m very very sorry.
I pity you, truly.
What is this shitty liberal doing here? Your dreams cost the death of millions, egoistic “human” being.
I agree with everything here except the dehumanization.
we’re all human and that’s exactly why their position is so abhorrent.
Communitarianism is an essential part of the human make-up, when some individual is too apart from the flock can’t we say they’re on the path of a subspecies?
… What in the fuck? No.
Ok, then.
Bro wtf.
Commies literally want people to have food and housing.
You’re probably called toxic because of the high flux of Hitler particles you’re emitting.
I’m not against communism but I’m not against having goals. My goal in life is to own property, a vehicle and to be able to afford groceries… maybe some luxuries like a couch, a sound system, a decent computer desk. Redoing certain parts of the property.
I’m not aiming to live in a mansion, I aim to own a two floor home, enough room for a dog to run around and a garden.
I’m not for being a gluten with success and holding billions and having society be in a constant state of survival mode. I’m not for a housing crisis, I’m not for environmental destruction or against public transportation.
I guess I just still hold on to what I was raised to believe: you can earn if you work hard and apply yourself. Unfortunately, on my end that means choosing a new career path that will earn me a solid income.
GL big fella. I hope you never experience serious illness/abusive workplaces/exploitation by the rich/legal quagmire/natural disaster or any of the other myriad things that can have you on the street and destitute in a few months.
I really do mean that.
No matter how far you go you’ll always be thousands of times closer to homelessness than our lords and masters we all prostitute ourselves for.
Okey and so ? Great do that. Have a good life.
Basically if you want to own a house and a car and if you belive being successful is a good thing than you are a toxic individual. If you still believe in the American dream of owning luxuries
Some of these comments are far too long.
Well, they are written by communists what can you expect.
On pair with the literacy expected from the average marxist.
On pair with the literacy expected from the average marxist.
Don’t know if you’re joking, and I usually wouldn’t do this, but it’s on (a) par with (not pair) and AFAIK Marxist is usually capitalised.
I don’t know if it’s technically a mistake, but I would also have used expected of (not from).
English isn’t my first language, so caveat lector.
gotcha, that’s kinda dialectical even. And useful. I won’t ever get the western abhorrence at getting instructed by someone or at showing minor imperfections.
You can read this as insulting everyone
Bakhunin was a marxist too, one of the best.
“If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.”
Ninth-century Chinese Buddhist monk Linji Yixuan.
That’s the only Buddhist thing burgers know. Was it on the idiotbox or something?
The what? I read it in a book.
I somehow don’t believe you’re as old as you claim lmfao.
How old have I apparently claimed to be?
it’s the american way. lol
