One question directly invokes Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s demand that allies stay “strong, clear, and quiet” in alignment with U.S. interests.
Is there a source outside of rawstory? Because rawstory is clickbait trash.
Thanks pal! The downvote I feel was uncalled for, but whatevs.
NATO is weaker with America in it. It is best if they kick out America and continue on, sooner than later. America is just gonna backstab NATO before Trump’s term runs dry, assuming he doesn’t kick off an 2nd American War.
In the case of a civil war, NATO would probably support the ReUnion against the Neo Confederates. Because, bluntly, an Dogey America is simply evil and cannot be ever be a good partner for any decent nation. Putting down a rabid dog would be prudent, rather than letting it wander free to bite nations at random.
In the case of a US civil war, we aren’t giving support to either side. Americans are just violent people and y’all have been wanting to kill each other for a while now. Why would any country put any of their soldiers’ lives at risk to getting involved with American bullshit?
Ask yourself, how would have Europe turned out if America didn’t get involved in WW2? If you keep your hands off the wheel, don’t be surprised if the worst happens.
We fought against fascism in WWII. The US is the fascist country now.
Whatever the US was in WWII is dead now.
If you keep your hands off the wheel, don’t be surprised if the worst happens.
Americans have kept their hands off the wheel. You could just vote for the Democrats and end fascism in your country. But you make excuses not to, because y’all really just want to kill your neighbours and don’t want to do anything to avoid that.
Why should anyone else want to be involved in that shitshow?
You missed the point. If Dogey America is allowed to survive, it may come under the control of a competent fascist leadership - which could pose a threat to everybody. Killing Dogey America and supporting something that doesn’t suck, is the best way for Europe to protect itself.
Also, remember Lend-Lease and the Marshall Programs. These reinforced Europe and allowed it to recover, while tremendously benefiting America. Turnabout is fair play, and may allow Europe to become a superpower to contest China.
Once the US loses access to NATO bases and ports of call, their ability to project military power will be VASTLY reduced. Just losing Turkey, the UK and Germany will be catastrophic. America will pivot to African enclaves and barely survive there. The future of American military might includes a whole lot of malaria. Putin will be thrilled.
Ah yes, the hallmark of sophisticated management: everyone has to express an appropriate level of support for all decisions, especially bad ones.
so its a dictatorship then.
uh huh, nato with the usa is becoming less useful by the day, America is already failing its security promises, no need to back them since they say they’re all powerful or whatever, they’ve failed to subdue iran so far, they have limited its assistance in Ukraine, they’ve stopped police shipping, what’s the point of following them if were collectively paying for our own armys now?
I wonder if Americans understand that Trump is going to start getting them killed in their own country soon enough. Not just ICE terrorism but other bad actors. The US has benefitted for 80 years from Allies help. Without it, American citizens may end up experiencing what they have been inflicting on other countries for decades. Although I’m guessing that is Trump’s/Putin’s goal. Defeat the USA from the inside out.
They receive money from USA and speak shit about USA, a dog never bite the had of the one feeding them.
If Europe want to talk shit, grow the economy and become independent, like and adult, not like an old seniles.
I hope all our former allies realize that there’s NOTHING they can do to restore that protection during the reign of Clown King. No amount of licking his orange balls will work. They must turn away from us and move on as quickly as possible.
Why? Because he spoke in front of the UN general assembly on September 25 2018 and they laughed at him. If you think that’s just too stupid an explanation, if you think he can’t possibly be that insecure and petty, finish your nap before you reply.
A normal person would feel that humiliation and go through a cycle of emotion, maybe including an initial anger, but would ultimately self-reflect, conclude those world leaders can’t all be wrong, and strive to improve. He’s not capable.
But why does he keep making up with the dictators of the world after very public spats? Because they’ve never publicly laughed at him.
His insecurity is paired with a deep feeling of inferiority to all the worlds’ leaders. When Kim, Putin, Xi, etc. fight with him, they lower themselves to his level, so even though they’re fighting, he feels like they think of him as a peer. When someone laughs at him, he knows that they don’t respect him. He knows they can see through his preposterous facade. He can’t pretend they don’t like he can with the dictators.
No imminent geopolitical reality exists that will snap him out of it. No amount of his rivals debasing themselves will unring that bell. No protection “deal” will ever be honored because the sting of humiliation can’t be salved with signatures.
I still think the world ought to continue laughing at trump whenever he makes a speech.
the world ought to continue laughing at trump whenever he makes a speech.
I usually hang my head and say “what is this fucking idiot yammering about this time”
Unfortunately for the US, Trump was elected. Twice. That means US “allies” need to assume a similar character can be elected again in 4, 8, 12… years.
Since establishing a strong independent defence and matching industry takes years, even decades, US allies would be absolutely fool to attempt any “back to normal” process after Trump.
The US arms exportations are to collapse until no one really depends on i. It’s only a matter of time before alternatives are developed for every critical piece of equipment.
US allies would be absolutely fool to attempt any “back to normal” process after Trump.
They wouldn’t be US allies to begin with if they weren’t fools
We’ve been doing Trumpism since Nixon. Even under Trump, quite a few US allies are openly in favor of this kind of leadership
I hope Americans realize Trump and the GOP have changed America’s relationship with the world, forever. There is no going back.
I don’t think people believe it. But he has undone basically everything achieved on global relationship level over the last 100 years. If anything, we are closer to our enemies than our allies.
The Trump leadership is definitely closer to enemies than allies, there is no doubt. I can only hope patriots in the middle bureaucracy of the US gov are doing what they can to roadblock his efforts.
Most Americans are too dumb to pay attention to foreign policy. Even if they weren’t, it’s never even came into the top 5 “issues” mentioned by the electorate during a presidential election for the entire time I have been alive.
They just literally don’t care and think they are insulated from the realities of the rest of the world. Here is a fun fact, like over a third of American adults have never left their country and a tenth of American adults have never left their state.
Germany and Italy are allowed to be important. You say “no going back” but history suggests a single generation of “normalcy” is enough.
Yes, a generation after the people of a country realize they fucked up.
Americans don’t seem to realize that they fucked up yet.
Italy and Germany had suffered a massive millitary defeat, and had strict conditions imposed on them. And they put in the effort to rebuild the world’s trust in them.
Unless the USA is humbled to that level, and does the hard work of fixing the damage Trump and his cronies did, and fixing their country’s systems so a megalomaniac fascisst doesn’t seize full control again, the world has no choice other than to not trust them.
I hope countries start kicking Americans out of the bases. Ahh one can dream.
The US is so stupid right now, they’ll probably just leave. They’re already having major issues supplying their ships in the Indian ocean, this kind of move will make that worse. But they’ll still probably do it anyway.
He won’t protect anyone regardless of loyalty.
he and his family won’t have immunity when they’re out of the epstein house and it becomes the White House again
What the fuck is going on here? The next Democratic administration isn’t going to be able to do anything that they’re campaigning on because they’ll have their hands full fixing the mess this one is leaving.
Then let that be their platform, undoing all Trump’s bullshit. That sounds like a shoo-in.
But they won’t Biden didn’t don’t expect the next one to either.
That’s how you get a repeat 8, 12 years down the road. You need a bigger platform than trump hate
How about Trump hate, and action to strengthen our democracy to never let it happen again?
His administration is doing everything in their power to make our country theirs. Let’s fix all the loopholes and make all their tricks illegal, with ACTUAL repercussions with teeth and people to hold them accountable. His administration is the first to be so blatant with their corruption. Let’s use it as a blueprint for a path forward.
Both And.
Nuremberg type justice, seizing and equitably redistributing the ill-gotten kleptocratic gains coupled with systemic changes-> abolishing Citizens United, universal healthcare and billionaire taxation all MUST happen.
Anything less will not do.
Even if they focus on nothing other than cleaning up after Trump (and his cronies), it will take longer than a single president’s term.
That’s been the back-and-forth for as long as I can remember.
A democrat builds a sandcastle, then a republican comes and knocks it down and mocks the democrat for having no sandcastle, while having no sandcastle of their own. Then next democrat comes and builds a new sandcastle, and it might be better than the last one, but it doesn’t matter, because next election cycle comes around and the republican gets elected and we gotta start all over again.
Dems can never make any actual progress, because every time they actually have power, they need to spend all of it repairing the shit done by the previous republican. Every single time.
Except this fucking pres is going a step further and relocating all the damn sand to to the fucking desert.
Sounds like the plan is working, unfortunately.
This is a perfect example of conservative MAGA values. They want a heirarchy system where the chosen people at the top are given special privileges and are effectively above the law. This is what .makes MAGA so foreign and hard to understand for so many people.
Know your enemy.
My lord Trump, you wear the biggest of diapers and your shits are the smelliest in the whole entire world!
Hey so, I serve in a NATO military. Here is my statement:
Fuck Trump, fuck anyone that supports him and fuck those that allowed the USA to get this shite. Any American that opposes him, I will buy you a drink.
Huzzah!! 🍻
Not even a big drinker, but if we could, it would mean our borders weren’t so terrifying, and maybe we were a free people.
Here’s to the dream, brother.
And thank you for your service…in opposition to petty, worthless mobster tyrants like ours.
so he’s just openly running a racketeering ring now and nato has its thumbs up its butt?
