Good. Cuz I was smoking a bowl with him when it happened.
Might wanna do a little reading about him before putting him into your circle
Should be destruction of property instead. Murder implies the killing of a human.
Dehumanization is a tool of the fascists. Don’t use it.
Fascists aren’t human, though.
They are — all humans are capable of the kinds of cruelty fascists espouse, and to claim otherwise just makes you open to lines of thought like “I know I’m human, which means I can’t be as cruel as them”.
No, it doesn’t, and I resent that implication. There is no line of reasoning between your not-even-wrong claim that all humans are capable of these unspecified kinds of cruelty and the conclusion that claiming otherwise leads to logical inversions like the one you have chosen.
- I am not capable of the kinds of cruelty fascists espouse. I would die before committing them.
- Claiming 1. does not impair my ability to do logic.
If I may… I agree that we shouldn’t use their tactic of dehumanization, BUT… we absolutely need to adjust our policy of what kinds of horrible behavior actually does justify a punch in the face (fascism and nazi stuff)
It’s hard to see the humanity in some of these people…
Charlie’s neck just did that. His blood pressure was too high from all the hatred and also his tiny face contributed.
Also the dude who didn’t kill him is a fucking weirdo too.
His face was normal and he had a tiny head that was swollen to be bigger than normal from the pressure. His neck was a weak point that finally succumbed to the pressure. That’s why his neck just did that.
FUCK YES
I had a conservative friend tell me there’s an entire conspiracy around this. And this guy was basically mentally unstable and convinced to bring the gun to this location.
In reality, Israel installed those pager explosives in his microphone that sent something into his neck. The main argument is that the gun used would have done significantly more damage.
Yeah Candace Owens is big on this stuff. It’s all about converting the antisemitism-curious leftists into antisemitic fascists.
It’s working on The Young Turks.
Well, Charlie Kirk did say things against Israel in his final days. It seems like he was questioning things, if you look deeper.
Conspiracy theories fail as soon as you ask, what is the motive?
What would the motive for Israel to assassinate Charlie Kirk as opposed to Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson? Those are the people promoting these conspiracy theories, so why would they get a pass?
Obvious conspiracy theory, promoted by obvious anti-semites. You should look into the history of the people promoting this bullshit a little more.
Sometimes bullets do really weird things, so I’m not saying it isn’t what happened, but it was a 30-06 rifle round which really should have done signficantly more damage from that range, so it is strange at the least.
If the bullet didn’t hit any bone that will greatly limit the visible damage
Please state your credentials on the matter. I am a hobbyist that has never shot a human but a 30-06 is a big fucking round going really fucking fast and necks are really fucking soft. The entry may be small but that exit is going to be significant. In my opinion.
My understanding is that the exit will often be big because of the bullet hitting bone and shit, making it flatter and thus destroy a lot more on the way out. The neck is soft and there isn’t much of it. If the bullet didn’t hit his spine, the bullet would be intact, and the exit hole would be pretty tiny.
Yep, the neck being soft is an argument against gory splatter action. Ballistic gel is soft too.
We also don’t have any pictures of the exit wound. There couldve be a huge chunk missing from the back of his neck that the camera couldn’t capture at that angle
Yea, no. 7.62×63mm will take out a moose and not one hunter will tell you that “yea, sometimes they do weird things, man”. It will take you out easily. They even said that “he had strong bones”, nah… nah he didn’t.
Do we have loads of data on bullets being shot at this exact location at this exact range against a real human?
Yes.
The 30.06 rifle has literally killed tens of thousands of people at every range imaginable. It is easily among the most well studied weapons on earth. This is easily among the most common weapons in the United States and this cartridge was the standard issue rifle cartridge for both world wars.
Who’s the guy with experience/expertise on this subject saying it should have done more damage?
Bring an expert that says the contrary instead of throwing vague shade. It’s the consensus in most fire arm circles from what I understand.
Lots of other things don’t add up as well (like paving over the crime scene a week later).
If everyone is saying it you should have a source to backup the theory. It’s not everyone elses’ responsibility to disprove it.
I know nothing not guns or bullets, but is it possible the type of gun, or the specific bullet mattered?
The type of bullet definitely, 100% matters. Some bullets have more mass than other bullets, and the material of the bullet can be harder or softer. All of that will affect the type of damage. The amount of powder used to fire the bullet also affects its kinetic energy when hitting the target.
No, not really. The type of gun doesn’t make a difference aside from the length of the barrel, but that’s pretty negligible for anything remotely normal (i.e. not a ~4-10inch barrel in this case).
Same thing with the cartridge/bullet, total energy varies bullet to bullet, but again, in a negligible way.
The real explanation is that the damage people expect from this cartridge is caused by hydrostatic shock: the shockwave caused by the bullet entering and slowing down significantly (transferring energy). Hitting somewhere soft and without much muscle mass, the side of the neck, let the bullet pass through without transferring a ton of energy.
Didn’t they rush to change the concrete pathing like the day after?
Fun fact, the company that paved is also israeli and quickly dissolved after doing that job. Company closed soon after the job was done. It’s literally nothing suspicious, Charlies neck can just do that, companies also do that sometimes too… it’s just average actions. Nothing to see here.
Where did you learn this? I’d be interested to know more about it
The type of gun can matter, for example an autoloading rifle is not quite as powerful as a bolt action rifle because it uses some of the energy to cycle the bolt and load the next bullet. The shooter allegedly used a bolt action rifle, though, which should basically be “the most powerful” type of rifle.
OMG, listening to some of y’all talk about this shit that have no experience or business trying to explain about ballistics and rifles and ammunition etc. is just hilarious.
Gun nuts.
Did you just say caliber doesn’t matter? That’s completely asinine.
No… I said that a 30.06 cartridge can be loaded to multiple pressures and fire different weight projectiles. All effecting total muzzle energy, but without some really funky loads, it’s not deviating enough from the norm to cause the effect OP described in their conspiracy theory.
How do you possibly take the whole of my explanation and think that I’m trying to say the say the bullet type doesn’t matter?
This time you said 30-06, now I follow. Thanks.
I don’t believe that conspiracy, but I do believe this kid was set up. This what gangstalking is. Manipulating loners or people that don’t meet social standards.
People upvoting you need to know that this is not a thing.
You’re trusting a source published by the US government in 2025?
It absolutely is a thing.
Pay especial attention to point 14.
For more information, see here here and here:
https://purdueglobal.dspacedirect.org/items/07d416e0-5a77-46c6-818b-d33392493f4b
Can’t wait for some doc to get declassified and we learn the CIA has been doing it for decades.
“It’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you”, I suppose. lol
It is not a ‘real phenomenon’ compared with genuine stalking
What is gangstalking and what genuine stalking? Basic trolling and harassing people is real thing. Unless you’re saying trolling doesn’t exist.
I know nothing about this “gangstalking” stuff, but it sounds like it’s about people who have a particular delusion, perhaps based on grander conspiracies, that isn’t grounded in reality. But that doesn’t mean that stalking doesn’t exist. Don’t tell me you guys are arguing that.
The far right propaganda system is making violent extremists. That is also a real thing. Whether or not it happened to this guy is not out of the question just because paranoid schizophrenia is a thing. Far right spaces are violent almost by default on account of being hate networks.
Don’t tell me you guys are arguing that.
So when I link to something talking about how gangstalking isn’t a thing, you think I’m saying stalking doesn’t happen?
Please feel free to put other words in my mouth, I guess, if it makes you happy to do so.
It was a question. Not an assertion. You’re already combative. Your motives are suspect.
You didn’t answer the question btw.
There’s a gangstalking subreddit; go give it a look.
You’ll see plenty of people posting on there about how “the followers” only appear when said poster has just finished smoking their bowl of meth. They’ll ask: Are the stalkers following them to steal their crank, or is the meth opening a vision of true reality and “unmasking” the followers?
And weirdly, no one can say for sure.
I’m not joking at all: These are the people you’re white-knighting. Maybe you can be the brave hero who solves the mystery for them?
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Gangstalking is documented as a psychological torture technique by the UN Office of the Commissioner on Human Rights.
They’re what medical experts refer to as an ‘Idiot’
Yeah, I’m no ballistics expert myself, but if you look up videos of a ballistic Test dummy getting shot in the neck at that range with that caliber bullet, it appears that (if the details of the official story were true) his head would have likely entirely detached from his body.
Nonsense. It depends on how.much it slowed (from that distance, quite a lot), whether it tumbled (from that distance, likely), and where it actually struck.
A sword can take someone’s head off. It can also pass through soft tissue and simply nick a major artery. It depends on where it hits and how hard.
To be clear, they did the Test at the same distance.
They didn’t mention the tumbling thing, but I assume that’s just because it’s a higher level concept than the demographic the video was designed for would be familiar with. (I don’t really have any knowledge on that aspect myself, not trying to say I do).
As far as where the bullet hit, I’m going just off of the video and official narrative. In the video it looks like he’s having a fencing response, which would indicate that he was hit with force and not just glanced/grazed.
In the official narrative they claim that the bullet got lodged in one of his vertebrae and stopped because his neck was “abnormally resilient”, or because “that’s what god wanted” depending on who you ask.
I don’t consider most conservative hunters and shooters to actually be very skilled or knowledgeable. This is based very heavily on a lot of experience and interactions. A human neck bone will definitely stop a 30-06. It might be a flesh sack of spine gravel, but having no explosion of gore is not a surprise.
It was the most effective way to get him to shut up though. Really cute that it happened after he got dog walked so publicly by the Cambridge student.
It’s the most effective way to get all MAGA trash to shut up. Take notes. Only one thing ever stopped Nazis.
Imagine getting shot with that caliber and not having your neck turn to jello while literal steel can’t fucking take the hit. Also imagine assembling the gun only with a screwdriver, only to have to have it disassembled again before going on a run (all while leaving the screwdriver behind) in the span of like what? 10 seconds? And then for some reason in a forest, before tossing out the evidence, he assembles it back again (with no screwdriver this time). And what a coincidence it is that he left it in a forest on Black Rocks land parcel.
Everyone knows it’s faster to draw your backup screwdriver than to reload the primary screwdriver.
Everyone knows it’s faster to draw your backup screwdriver than to reload the primary screwdriver.
I certainly am curious how this trial is going to go. My gut tells me that, just like Mangione, the prosecutors have much more data than they’re giving us. Of course, Mangione pled guilty, this guy is going to have a trial.
Personally I think they were hoping for a guilty plea because whatever evidence they do have is fucked one way or another. Just kind of a guy dealing y’know? I suspect that Lash Patel probably fucked up some level of in estivation with their immediate shoving into what shouldve been a case for the local PD, Sheriff, and Utah state police. Possibly even damaging or fabricating the crime scene.
I was wondering that too. Even if he is guilty, the process was completely fucked.
Id legit be surprised if it wasn’t somehow fucked. Also holy shit autocorrect fucked by comment so much. Why is it like this?
Not sure if you’re on IOS, but I feel like their keyboard has gone to shit in the past year for some reason.
At least the MAGA fucknut did the sane world a favor. Where is the rifle that matches the bullet?
Yeah… he’s worse than Charlie (as hard as that is to believe)
Kirk died of a fetanyl overdose, Erika gave it to him.
How can there be a murder charge when there was no murder?
Putting down a feral pig is a civic duty.
Don’t insult pigs like that.
Charlie Kirk died?
Just once, unfortunately.
No, but his body double did. Charlie Kirk himself fled to South America as is appropriate for people of his political conviction.
That’s what big media wants you to think, anyway
#HERO
Kirk was worthless small fry who was just a meme for having a freakishly small face. Killing him accomplished nothing even without factoring in that the shooter killed him for not being an “ideologically pure” enough Nazi.
IIRC he was one of fuentes’ followers and viewed kirk as not right-wing enough. So, no.
You recall correctly
i’m convinced that lemmy users don’t think for even half a second before posting, because wtf are you doing calling a shitstain nazi a hero just because he shot one guy we all hated? hitler shot a guy we all hated, is he a hero, too? fuck sake.
Hitler doesn’t get heroism points for killing Hitler because he also killed the man who killed Hitler. Bastard.
Of course he didn’t do it, we were doing shots down at o’paddies at the time, no way he did it, you all saw us there, didn’t you?
The dude is a groyper, it’s best to just sit back and watch the show on this one
Merks Kirk > Posts edgy memes
He would’ve more than balanced the scales, if he was guilty…which he’s not, as it was obviously an Israeli op.
If you don’t believe me, just listen the Gospel of Klandace.
The “Groyper” shit was a myth spread to counter the growing narrative that the shooter was transgender.
They found bullets which he inscribed 4chan memes onto. Including a very specific “Groyper War” reference.
His father that was the one who reported him in the first place said he hated Kirk for “not being conservative enough”.
…You all think the idea of Nazi infighting is so weird because you were taught that America swooped in and saved the world from Nazi Germany and not the reality that the Red Army and the Nazis murdering each other to rise through the ranks took out half the Nazis by the time of D-Day. But I assure you, infighting is baked right into the ideology of fascism. Even IDF soldiers are prone to “friendly fire”. (Although with them it’s likely just incompetence…)
No he was a former groyper who converted into a liberal after crushing on a trans person in real life and realizing he was lied to. You can literally read his text messages, he talks about what a hateful evil POS Chahley was.
“figuring out that Kirk is a POS” is clear
“converting into a liberal after crushing on a trans person”? is a massive stretch
Like I said you can read his messages. He went through a huge transformation after meeting this person and realizing she was just a normal human being.
He is? Well god damnit
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That’s no meaningful proof that he’s a groyper, even the article admits it:
In isolation, the references are vague enough to be interpreted every which way.
Sorry it doesn’t meet your standard for identifying which weird ideology prompted this dudes actions.
I’m of the view that we should rally to get Robinson acquitted purely on the basis of who he shot. (Also maybe to inspire copy-cats.) We can’t acquit Luigi, but we can acquit the alleged killer of Kirk.
Robinson is not a hero like Luigi. While Kirk was irredeemable dogshit, he hasn’t actually accomplished anything in his miserable life evil or otherwise. Any 4channer could do his job of spewing shit. He was worthless small fry too insignificant to note when it comes to Nazis causing harm. Pair that up with Robinson himself just being another type of Nazi who had a “Groyper War” with Kirk…
Meanwhile, Brian Thompson’s death toll surely exceeds 1 million.
Wells that’s because he didn’t do it, I saw him at the arcade all day that day. He won a giant teddy bear.
Before anyone goes vouching for this guy, my understanding is that he didn’t see Kirk as pure enough ideologically, IE he wasn’t Nazi enough.
He doesn’t need to be a saint for it to be apparent he’s a fall guy. Based on what the FBI has told us it’s obvious this guy didn’t do it.
Correct. He was a Groyper. A Nick Fuentes brand Nazi.
Fuentes and Kirk had a feud.
Fascist infighting is a very real phenomenon Americans aren’t taught enough about because talking about how the Nazis were in fact murdering each other to rise through the ranks undermines the narrative that “The Nazis were owning everyone… until America swooped in and saved the day! Oh yeah!”
Truth is, Nazi infighting contributed more to the downfall of Nazi Germany than America did.
This is why we need to understand that you always punch Nazis. I’m tired of cajoling to mods and pretending “fReE sPeEcH” makes Nazis tolerable just to keep from being banned.
Hopefully that’s just my nascent trauma from reddit and I won’t get banned here, lol
“fReE sPeEcH” makes Nazis tolerable
Which is a risk.
I’m not disputing this, but I can’t find any verification. Do we actually have any sources on his ideology?
The only conservative nut bag with good aim. Are we sure Erikkka didn’t pay him to off her husband???
So she could be with J.D.? Hell… maybe J.D. was behind it all, lol
Unlikely, she ain’t no couch.
