There are memes like “when you have to prove that you’re jewish” or crass jokes about people standing out due to their lack of foreskin, but i remember hearing that a huge swathes of American men are circumcised - it’s like 49%. Jesus.
If literally half of every men are circumcised, why is it even a remarkable topic to Americans? How did it become such a meme?
We’re not all American
I think it’s clearly american-led. The fellow I linked was American.
I wonder what kind of parent is okay with sexually mutilating their child. That sounds just fucked up.
Here Rabbi, bite the tip of my infants penis off. Crazy isn’t it?
I fear every religion and society that imposes that on children suffers from a very sordid case of “author’s kink”. If you’re born with it and are not suffering from it, there is absolutely no fucking reason in the universe to cut out the foreskin of a boy or the clitoris of a girl. What the absolute fuck, mankind.
It’s viewed as either a cultural or religious tradition. Both of these are hard to pull your head away from once you’re raised in that situation, but it is possible. There are likely some cultural or religious practices most of us follow that might be viewed as bad by the masses in a few generations, like eating meat. Or at least lamb/veal.
Idk man i like being circumscised, 40 years old and never once regretted it.
If it’s something you chose on your own at an age when you were capable of making decisions for yourself, I have no objection (or if it was because of a phimosis, etc). If that decision was taken from you, then I think it’s mindless sexual mutilation, and that one cannot regret what one has not experienced. But it’s good that you have no problem with your peen being cut or not, buddy.
Do you have any experience on the other side of the mutilation fence though?
A few minutes i believe lol
It’s only 49‰? Color me surprised.
Color me surprised.
Such a batman-villain-esque line. The riddler, meet the colourer
The rate of circumcision has been dropping in large part due to the millennial generation refusing to do so to our own children.
That’s so encouraging, honestly. At times I’ve worried that maybe I was wrong not to circumcise my son.
I felt so strongly about it when he was born but as he grows up I care more about him having a positive body image than fulfilling my own philosophical position. I’m glad to hear that he won’t be the odd man out, so to speak.
Millennials just out here casually making the world a slightly less horrible place for people to grow up in, in very measurable statistics that only they have direct control of, and that unambiguously cannot be attributed to any other generation, despite getting relentlessly manipulated, economically rugpulled and politically sabotaged their entire lives.
Fucking millennials are so obnoxious, amirite? lol avocado toast or whatever! /s
We’re stuck being the maintenance team for the boomers as they actively shit themselves but wont get out of the way of progress, or even the normal progression of life.
We’re trapped in the job market right as they rugpull the whole fucking thing.
I feel for genz. Their attitude to work is right on the money.
Millennial here, from an extremely Protestant Christian conservative family, fighting the good fight. I vow to continue not mutilating my children’s genitalia for as many as I can afford to have.
Just kidding. We can’t afford any more.
News articles: Millennials are ruining circumcision!
Millennials expect everything to have a tip
“Millenials caring about their kids’ autonomies… BUT at what costs?”
I feel like I you answered your own question.
If roughly half of all American men are circumcised, then that means that there is a predictable binary status men can hold in that regard. People will focus on a dichotomy simply because it exists.
In my experience, the strongest critics of MGM are victims of circumcision. There are some brainwashed people who don’t see what the big deal is, but people with normal penises (and women) don’t seem to care much one way or the other.
I was circumcised and my penis seems to work just fine. I do have to say that I couldn’t care much less about the topic.
Yes, ironic that I clicked this thread at all, but I’m bored.
If you’ve never experienced having an uncircumcized penis how could you know that?
If you’ve never experienced having a circumcized penis (as someone old enough to be consciously aware of having a penis) how could you know it doesn’t work just fine?
The only people who can comparatively answer are people of an age of sexual maturity who have fully experienced all uses of a penis both with and without a foreskin.
So basically the guy from the first episode of 90 Day Fiance (wife just started re-watching)
I’m quite capable of judging my own general satisfaction in a vacuum. I strongly suspect this matters a lot less than some people think - some men are just overly obsessed with their penises.
Your penis doesn’t work just fine if you were circumcised. You are one of the brainwashed people I was talking about.
Read about the function of the foreskin, which is way more than a bit of hanging skin on the end of your member, it’s a sensitive and double-sided tissue that keeps your internal bits where they belong.
Sounds like you have an inferiority complex or something. It does everything I need it to and I’m completely satisfied with it. You feeling like I should not be satisfied with my penis sounds like a you problem.
While I get where you’re coming from, most people don’t understand what’s normal to others because they think their experience is normal. And most of us won’t get to experience someone else’s experiences to figure out what’s normal for others and what isn’t. You might be fully satisfied with your situation because it is a good situation, but it also might be because you don’t know any better and think what you experience daily to be the norm for everyone, similarly to people living in a dictatorship regime who don’t even know about the possibility of living free so they’re content with their situation.
I’m not saying it’s your case, I’m not saying you should feel bad or that there’s something that doesn’t work the way it should. I’m saying you don’t really know how things should work because you only have your experiences to rely on, and your satisfaction might derive from not knowing what something should actually feel/be like in comparison to what it is.
When were you circumcised? I’m guessing as a child. Your own parents weren’t satisfied with your penis. It’s fine to accept that you were the victim of a irreversible religious genital modification without your consent and that it doesn’t define you and you won’t let it ruin your life. But making a point of arguing that you’re actually totally okay, that other people are obsessed with your penis specifically and that circumcision as a whole isn’t that bad and kind of passively endorsing it is not fine and betrays a much deeper insecurity on your part than whatever accusations you’re projecting onto me. Nonmedical circumcision has been condemned by the overwhelming majority of the world for centuries, and continues to be so today
It might be hard to wrap your head around it, but there are people on the internet who are not from the US.
Bullshit.
Next you’re gonna tell me there are actually girls here, too.
The girls are on tik tok comparing themselves to other girls
and on imstagram and photoshop too making their hips, waists, and breasts impossibly curvaceous
No, not here specifically
- Americans are a minority on the internet
- It’s a joke, being built on truth and fact is not a core requirement
- Americans are a minority on the internet
Unless you’re american?
As a circumsized man, I don’t even know what all the fuss is about. Shit’s easier to clean and if there was any sensitivity loss from it, then I think I would have been a premature ejaculator if I wasn’t cut.
The argument that it’s cruel to a baby is valid; but most of the time, I’m seeing arguments from men who have no foreskin seemingly lamenting the loss of something they never really knew in the first place.
When both “conventional wisdom” and our pediatrician advised it for hygiene and as something almost always harmless, and everyone I know had it done, I had no facts to decide against it for my sons
It’s normal. Almost always no negatives. reduces dick cheese
I realize there are horror stories but like with vaccines they are vanishingly rare
It’s normal. Almost always no negatives. reduces dick cheese
It’s not normal. What’s normal is allowing the natural design of the penis and foreskin to remain intact.
Wanna reduce dick cheese? Teach your sons how to clean their dicks.
It’s normal in the US, as in most people do it
Not anymore, it dropped to 49% recently.
My statement could have been “it shouldn’t be normalized” to be more accurate tbf.
I think history adds valuable context here ….
My kids are now in college. When they were babies, I literally heard nothing against the practice.
So 20 years of being public awareness and changing practices
I literally heard nothing against the practice.
It seems like you never went looking either.
I understand succumbing to social pressure unconsciously and I believe in “know better, do better”. I’m not trying to be harsh on you for choosing what you thought was best at the time. Now that you know, why do you still defend the practice?
What makes you think the arguments against circumcision come from circumcised men?
I am delighted that I was circumcised, and I think this is the most prevalent position for circumcised men to take. If it wasn’t, the practice would have died out due to fathers not insisting on it for their sons.
I think maybe you nailed exactly what the fuss is all about.
If no one had ever been circumcised before, and you pitched the idea of infant genital mutilation/modification, do you really believe any proposed benefits could possibly outweigh the revulsion of elective surgery on a baby?
I get it: no one should be judged for whether they are circumcised or not, and I can absolutely forgive people who have circumcised their babies for “normalcy” in the past. But the conversation right now it “what are we even doing here, guys?”
It looks bad and the glans is unprotected
I agree.
The sensitivity loss thing is mostly an internet myth, most studies on it show no difference with some studies reporting increased sensitivity instead. The foreskin does have nerve endings, but those are mostly “touch” nerves and aren’t really the nerves that contribute to pleasure/arousal.
As anecdotal evidence, I have a family member who got circumcised as an adult due to medical issues, and he’s very positive about it. I haven’t questioned him on if he had a change in sensation, but I know he’s happy with the outcome.
I’d be interested to see those studies. Anecdotally, the nerves on the foreskin can absolutely contribute to pleasure/arousal just as almost any nerves on the body can do so. I wonder what criteria they’re basing that on and what differences they found.
Usually when people get circumcised as an adult, it’s because of health issues like phimosis where the foreskin is unable to retract over the penis glans. So yeah, I’m sure your family member was quite happy to have his penis work better when it gets hard.
Here’s a study on it. Basically the foreskin nerves are “touch” nerves, and all touch nerves get reduced sensation with arousal. The number of those touch nerves drops significantly with age as well, with a 90% reduction by the time your 45+. It’s other nerves (mainly in the corona and near the frenulum) that are focused on vibration and temperature, which mainly contribute to pleasure.
Ultimately the “ejaculatory latency time” doesn’t show a difference, even across various reasons for a difference in the quantity of touch nerves.
…bro that study that you linked is from brian j morris.
The RACP, the most notable medical authority in Australia, has denounced morris who is the author of this meta analyses . morris is an aussie and also a founder of a circumcision organization in Australia https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7691872/ this meta analyses is a sham by the quack brian.j morris. he was denounced by the australasian college of physicians. https://jme.bmj.com/content/circumcision-bioethical-challenge
Also you can research deeper and you will fimd the brian j morris was friends with a currently convicted pedophile , a pedophile who created a ‘sexual gratification group who’s members get off to thr thought of circumcising boys and to the thought of being circumcised’
Didn’t know that, was literally just the first source I found.
Wikipedia’s article has a section on it, with about 4 difference sources that all seem to conclude the same though. Maybe they’re all bug circumcision propaganda, I haven’t really looked into that part of it.
The sensitivity loss thing is mostly an internet myth, most studies on it show no difference with some studies reporting increased sensitivity instead
It’s worth pointing out as a myth, it vastly predates the internet. The reason it’s common in the USA, is because the puritans believed it would make it easier to stop kids from masturbating.
the puritans believed it would make it easier to stop kids from masturbating
Teenagers will jerk off to anything. I’m sure some neolithic cave teenagers were jerkin it to boob shaped rocks or baboon asses. Hormones gonna hormone.
the usa has the biggest or well ome of the biggest porn industries on the planet today despite the fact rhat mostt americam men have been circumcised since the 1900s …so…
Is this not proof that theyve failed? the american masturbators continued and continue to walk on despite their mutilations! …or well continue to jack on 🤭
Im convinced the lotion lobby are perpetrators of keeping circumcision rates high.
“Haha peepee funny”
Genital mutiliation shouldn’t be normalized
exactly.
My parentd abided by a religion that I barely know jack shit about and will never know jackshit about… (because Im an atheist)
Yet, I STILL have to live with permanent genital mutilation cause of THEIR religion… why? Why is the canadian government OK with this? Honestly why is ANY government OK with this set up?
The logic aint ‘logicing’
Americans tend to punch down with jokes on men who are not circumcised. There is a lot of social pressure to circumcise our boys here.
The punching direction is that clear in this circumstance?
Which circumstance? The meme that OP linked or the crass jokes about people that don’t have foreskin?
Jokes in America tend to put uncircumcised men as the punch line or target of the joke. That’s why I used the phrase “punch down”. Men who aren’t circumcised tend to be made fun of in the US because of the societal pressure we have to circumcise at birth.
It’s just another sign that the US is actually owned by the Zionist movement.
Not only do they get the US into wars and control their policies and politics with “donations” (i.e. bribes), they also get you to mutilate your baby boys.
It’s odd that you think Israel is responsible for a practice that was common long before Israel existed.
Puritans are the reason for the practice in the US, not Jewish people.
The current craze of mutilation has come about from Jewish practices - because many doctors (nearly 15%) are Jewish, compared to about 2% of the overall population. Enough babies are treated in Jewish Hospitals (because they also tend to be nicer hospitals) and few things are more guaranteed than a first-time mother wanting to have their idealised birthing experience - so many would experience these practices, Jewish or not, as they’re following the recommendations of their physician. As archaic and brutal as the process is.
It’s funny how confidently incorrect you are.
If amything the american governmemt owms the zionist government .
Bro george bush made 1 call, ONE PHONE CALL, to the president of israel during their invasion of Lebanon two decades ago… and the isntreali miltarry pulled out of Lebanon in a matter of days.
And Bebe made ONE PHONE CALL and dragged the US into another war that they’ll eventually lose, again. Bush was a much more reliable leader than ol’ Shit Pants and his fascist cronies.
The US supports Israel in everything it does. The Israel lobby bribes most of the US government. And it circles. I have nothing against Jews or Judaism (at least no less than Muslims and Islam or Christians and Christianity - there are cunts in all faiths; Buddhists, Hindus and all other religions or non-religious too) but there’s a lot wrong with Zionism.
but zionists are not Jews at all. Just like nationalistic christians or extremst christians arent Christians at all.
Circumcision is a Zionist practice? What about celebrating Hanukkah? Is that Zionist?
lol even Hamas’ Constitutiion clearly states that theyve seperated ‘ziOnIsM’ from Judaism.
Judaism has nothing to do with zionism cause zionists are not Jews at all. These faux Jews have simply deluded themselves believing that ‘Judaism means sending money, their mercensries, and aid to the state of Isntreal to satiate their genocidal desires’ (desires that would be far better satiated with a psychiatrist)
Normal Finklestein is a Jew. Those people who rose up during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising are Jews.
An idf soldier can never be a Jew
Heck , even the nazis’ name came from misattribution of some thing that they were not and will never be. Their name came from the germsn words for ‘Nationalistic’ and ‘Socialists’ … but they aremt socialists at all seeing as how the nazis killed ALL their socialiist party members during the Night of Long Knives and killed more socialists than any other group of people during the 30s and 40s.
Does that mean Zionists don’t circumcise their kids?
My comment ended up being in a nut sandwich.
im surprised its just half. Im in a major metro area and unless there is something about circumcision that gets you to go to the gym more I would say its much higher in my area. Im pretty sure most every catholic in my area has it done.
Probably from the Northeast or Great lakes area then? It’s half the US population, but it’s not evenly distributed. It’s much less common on the west coast.
Updated for 2022:
ok yeah. that would explain it.
I got pushback when I told my ex and docs no to chopping my kid despite having been so myself.
‘But it’s cleaner and easier to manage…’
Don’t care, unless you can give a medical need reason he can make that choice as an adult if he wants.
So did I but I got overruled because I don’t have a penis therefore I don’t know what I’m talking about. His cries still haunt me and it’s one of my biggest regrets. I should have thrown a bigger fit but I’d just done 3 days of active labor.
That’s a damn crime, both ethically in discrediting your view, and I would guess legally if they literally went ahead despite the protests of a parent?
“it’s cleaner”
… is such a weird reason to me.
Washing your knob when you shower is one of life’s little pleasures. Who’s avoiding it to the point their beanie is getting crusty under there?
If a dude can’t even give his old feller a good scrub a dub dub, where else is he neglecting?
Lack of hygiene in general is the bigger issue in this scenario that’s for sure.
“easier to manage”
I’m almost scared to ask what specifically is being managed here… It’s a dick, not an intern.
Phimosis was mentioned as I recall, that and the goo under the hood.
There are a good number of evolutionary remnants that may not be ideal or even needed (wisdom teeth, tailbone, appendix, etc) but we don’t go performing preemptive surgery because of them.
Not that I disagree with the point, but sometimes wisdom teeth are pre-emptively removed, if it seems like, they are going to grow all fucked up, from the start. So out of the mentioned, that is a bad example.
But it’s cleaner and easier to manage
Both complete lies btw
It’s definitely easier to manage the sccccccchhhhmegma without the ol smegma catcher being present, but I didn’t get my son circ’d because running in gym shorts when you’re fat, with a little acorn pointing straight forward, can lead to sphincter chaffing … and I’m not very fond of that feeling. I didn’t want to pass it down to him.
I hope he goes on to become a fast runner without the threat of penile chaffing. Good luck, my son, should you ever read this after I’m doxd
I shower everyday and never have cheese dick… You just pull it back when you’re cleaning it. It’s one extra hand movement. I don’t see how one is easier or cleaner than the other tbh
Sometimes cleaning it is the best part of my day
Probably same folks that say mouth wash is too difficult.
i don’t shower every day and i’ve still never had dick cheese, i’m frankly not sure if it’s actually a medical condition that people just think is normal…
The one “truth” is that it “reduces the risk of cancer”… Because technically chopping anything off reduces the risk of cancer, because that thing can no longer get it.
However foreskin cancer is not exactly a high cause for concern, and by this logic cutting off your ears and nose would be more logical.
Also not necessarily correct, foreskin protects from chafing and other similar micro fissures that happen daily for people without foreskin (as shown by the person above you having issues running). And while removing a part of you does lower the chances of getting cancer there, if it’s protecting another part of you from something it can increase the risk of cancer on that other part.
Yeah fair point.
There’s probably studies/data on some of this, but for a thinly veiled argument that people use in bad faith I wasn’t going to go that in depth.
When you teach a kid how to clean themselves in the bath you teach them how to clean each body part with no shame. How hard is that to manage.
But but the asshole cause that’s gay
No, that’s just self care. Cleaning another man’s asshole? That is gay.
That’s the proper attitude.
If literally half of every men are circumcised, why is it even a remarkable topic to Americans? How did it become such a meme?
Because the other half are bigots.
Because it’s an immoral act to impose it on anyone without consent and barbaric to subject an infant to it.
