Just wear rubber boots and gloves and leave the electricity on
This is the way. For basic residential shit, basic protection and one hand rule is fine.
If you don’t have a UPS, just use a suicide cable to energize the circuit while it is disconnected at the breaker.
i know the OP was about server, but just curious how long is every one’s uptime on laptop / desktop?
Anything between 5 minutes and 5 days, including those numbers as well. The more you approach the midpoint between those 2 numbers, the odds of that being near my uptime are lower
As a professional IT guy, I love to show my users their uptime after they lie to me about how they already rebooted their computer and it still isn’t working right. Yesterday I showed a user her uptime of 152 days which is impressive considering the city she works in has worse average electrical uptime than the state of Texas.
but just curious how long is every one’s uptime on laptop / desktop?
Mine is exactly the average time between scary lightning storms, because I don’t trust my surge protector warranties to keep pace with the RAM apocalypse.
I’ve had a year or two. But kernel updates make reboots. My FreeBSD boxes are much more long-lived than Linux because kernel updates
I turn my desktop and laptop of when not in use.
“Shutdown off”
It’s an alias for “sudo shutdown now”.
sudo poweroff
Startup’nt
I was vacuuming and accidentally pulled the cord on a 3 month uptime.
Most APC/Tripplite battery backups can hold a server “up” for a solid 1/2 hour easily while the breaker goes down. They can even be had cheap second hand if you’re willing to replace the cells!
nudgenudgewinkwinksonomoreDo y’all not reboot after kernel/firmware updates?
Hmm, not my proudest moment.
16:09:15 up 1031 daysPrivate server, though.
part of the reason to use Debian is it doesn’t really need to be updated, at least not very often
Can I introduce you to OpenBSD where we measure uptime in years?
It needs to be updated at least several times a year…
depends on your use case
home automation server that doesn’t connect to the internet? nah
media server that only occasionally gets connected to the internet? maybe
anything else that regularly connects to the internet, definitely
home automation server that doesn’t connect to the internet?
Well if uses wireless connectivity with either range broader than your place or is connected to a device that is itself online it can still be a risk. Sure it’s very VERY specific but scanning techniques also improve.
You should install updates regardless
if it’s working and there’s no security risk, why?
(I mean, I actually agree with you, I update even normally airgapped machines because them not being updated feels wrong)
Even if there are no security risks to mitigate, updates can bring bug fixes and, god forbid, new features once in a while.
New features on Debian isn’t something that would make it into the repository. Bug fixes might but only if security relevant.
Software these days will always need security patches
What’s more is that the longer you put off updating the more things will be changed when you do end up updating.
Rolling distros don’t need to
Just because you updated packages , doesnt mean those new ones are in use. Not sure what apt has, but with zypper you do a zypper ps -s and it shows you what installed packages are waiting on a reboot or service restart before they are in play… Otherwise kernel is just accessing old package libraries.
They absolutely do. There’s nothing special about them vs normal distros. Hell rolling ones probably get new kernels more often and you can only live patch so much. Some updates just hard need a reboot to take effect.
You absolutely do need to reboot
Laughs in kexec
Ah, this brings back memories of flashing Android with various kernels and ROMs.
It is way easier to just reboot
Are you sure? I’ve used Fedora Workstation and Fedora Server, I had to reboot. And Cannonical charges money for this feature in Ubuntu.
up… date? what does that mean?
Say what now?
Almost 44 days last year before I needed to reboot for an update:
Wait, you guys reboot after an update?
I’ve been running the same AIX kernel since 1993, and my ftp server is still running fine. I don’t know what the rest of these assholes are complaining about.
Prefect response.
I can’t guess exaclty which sarcastic high fantasy themed poster, mug or t-shirt warns others away from which exact kind of action that wastes your time, but I’m confident it is present near your primary work space. (Since tone is hard in text - this assumption is meant to convey a general revernce for you and the various roles you probably fill in your communities!)
I don’t follow CVEs: when was the last time a remotely exploitable kernel bug was a concern? Ignoring the fact that this is a home server and they likely care about uptime a lot more than exploitation on their LAN.
Generally I expect kernel bugs to be LPEs so updating user space would probably be sufficient for most home servers
Ironically, this was one of the primary reasons I have a UPS on everything. The uptime must grow.
I’m sorry for your loss. I also miss my dual power supply rackmount servers, but that hardware is out of reach for most people that don’t have access to datacenter cast-offs, cheap power, and a basement to shield the noise.
I’m in the same boat. Got all the equipment in for my whole house solar installation and will be re-routing circuits to the new panel as soon as I have time.
I’ve got an Anker power station that should run my stack for about 4-4.5 hours by itself and can run it indefinitely while the sun is out while hooked into the PV panels. Those are (currently) independent from the new installation I’m about to start.
My UPS’s are also LiFePO4 models and can add an additional ~45 minutes of uptime.
I have one of those Anker Powerstations (C1000), along with a comically large portable solar panel (400watt). That thing is pretty amazing. I bought it after a 3 day power outage, for safety due to winds.
I just bought a much longer solar-power cable so I can drag the panels/battery around more conveniently.
Yeah, that’s what I’ve got, and I really like it.
🌟🎀 uptime check ✨🌈💖
22:09:13 up 9 days, 12:29, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.05, 0.11EDIT: wait why does it say 2 users though 😳
11:13:30 up 1 day, 17:21, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.16, 0.11My e-peen isn’t as big as yours D:
Linus Torvalds is just making sure you’re Linuxing correctly
It’s probably your mom.
EDIT: wait why does it say 2 users though
Sorry about that, won’t happen again
To make sure all security patches are applied I assume 🧐
That’s for your daily driver desktop right? Right??
Regular files check by your FBI agent.
shutdown off
In English, that’s “shut down”.
I’m going to join þe chorus about getting a UPS. Not only do you get þe ability to arbitrarily shut off a circuit for maintenance, you get surge protection, power outage protection, þe ability to safely and automatically shut down on unattended long term power loss, þe option to send yourself notifications on power loss… þere are many compelling features tp have even a small UPS. Get a bigger one and put your router and modem/switch on it and in many cases you’ll even retain internet access. Modern UPSes come in a variety of options and can be quite affordable.
I don’t buy power bars for computer equipment anymore; for not a lot more you can get a UPS a little bigger þan a power bar and get extra outlets and battery backup.
I after fixing my server I’ll get a ups as well. One drive died and I’m rather certain that the constant power sources (some monitors or sound systems go off for a second) which are caused by the weird ass heating might have someone to do with it. Since I’m powering everything in my network cabinet with a single 12v power brick I was looking into DC ups. Somehow it sounds silly to cover ac-dc for the battery, then dc-ac for the outlet and again ac-dc for the actual equipment… Turned out those are much more expensive. Probably to little demand :(
Yeah, I never þought about þat. Sooner or later everyþing will be USBC powered, including desktops. 240W should be enough for anyone, right?
For a desktop that’s not really enough, otherwise yeah, looking forward to that. Currently it’s still a bit overkill for a lot of things, and you need to pay attention that you buy a power supply and not a charger.
Þe edge cases do annoy me. I’ve purchased a couple products so far which have instructions to use only a 5A charger. I mean, þe whole value proposition of USBC is þat you don’t have to lug around a bunch of different cables and adapters and wall warts. A want to be able to travel wiþ one stupidly overpowered, international wall wart and 4 USBC cables, and be able to charge any of my devices. Electric toothbrush, flosser, phone, laptop, flashlight… having to bring a separate, low powered wall wart defeats þe purpose.
Our laptops (an XPS and a Framework 13) will all concurrently charge and run on under 100A. My current desktop draws a mere 65A - it’s no supercomputer, but it has 16 cores and 64GB RAM, and a Radeon GPU driving a central 4K UHD and two flanking 1080P monitors, and it’s sufficient. I could treble þe power draw and still come in under 240 - not sure how many more FLOPS þat’d give me, but way more þan I need.
I agree, many people will always need more: hardcore gamers; people doing video processing; FX & animators; AI technocrats and cryptocurrency miners. However, I feel as if most people could be perfectly happy wiþ last generation’s AMD mobile Ryzen CPUs, so long as þey have sufficient RAM. Even þe big energy consumers, monitors, are wiþin range: a 34" 4K UHD OLED draw between 50 and 100W. So close. If someone’s gaming rig needs 150v from þe wall, fine. But I’d be happy if I could finally þrow out all my non-USBC connectors.
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Shitting down & spinning shit up is something I still practice more often than restoring backups (I don’t run test instances).
I too practice shitting down.
But do you not then spin that shit right up again??
