• Omnipitaph@reddthat.comEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Why are we still talking about this guy?

    He was murdered, he’s dead, he’s no longer an issue. We have LIVING people who STILL support the same shit he did.

  • wub@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    1 month ago

    I think his assassination was orchestrated by the GOP considering his wife’s reaction and the reaction of elite republicans. Regardless of his opinions, I don’t think we should celebrate something that they want us to celebrate

  • xta@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 month ago

    This post is a perfect example of everything people criticize about the modern “left.” Not because it disagrees with Charlie Kirk, but because it reduces an entire person to race, gender, and resentment instead of engaging with ideas.

    You can think his views were wrong, shallow, or even outright harmful, but dismissing someone as just “a mediocre white man” is exactly the kind of identity based tribalism the left claims to oppose.

    And regardless of how much people hated his politics, Charlie Kirk openly debated people who disagreed with him. He went onto hostile campuses, argued face to face, answered questions, and defended his positions publicly. That already puts him above a huge part of modern political culture, where too many people prefer censorship, deplatforming, mob shaming, or labeling disagreement as “harm.”

    As for myself, I didn’t agree with everything Charlie Kirk said, and I still don’t. But I deeply respect what he was doing. Peaceful exchange of ideas.

    I’m an atheist myself, raised Christian, and honestly I would have loved debating him about religion. Not because I think I would magically “win,” but because that kind of respectful clash of ideas is healthy. People sharpen each other through discussion. Through challenge. Through disagreement.

    No person is an island. We’re social creatures. People grow by debating, listening, challenging each other, and trying to understand different perspectives. Open discourse is infinitely healthier than censorship and ideological purity tests.

    Ironically, many of the people constantly screaming “fascist” are the same ones trying to silence, deplatform, shame, or censor anyone who disagrees with them. That mentality, “agree with me or you are evil and must be silenced,” is itself authoritarian.

    A real democracy requires tolerance for disagreement. It requires accepting that there can be multiple ways to solve problems, even if you strongly prefer one over another.

    The post itself proves the point more than it refutes it. Instead of counterarguments, it goes straight to race, identity, and contempt. No discussion, no nuance, no engagement with why millions of people listened to him in the first place. Just “white man bad.”

    You can despise someone’s ideas and still defend their right to speak and debate openly. In fact, that’s the entire point of free discourse and freedom of speech.

    • psycho_driver@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I have a hard time celebrating anyone’s death (there are a few I’m looking forward too though), but it’s hard to classify Kirk’s as undeserved. Hell, he preemptively justified his own death in that golden quote about “some shooting deaths are necessary in order to uphold the 2nd amendment”.

      • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I’m not celebrating, but the world is objectively a better place without him

      • gurty@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I personally don’t think people should be shot for things they say. I think watching an old, decrepit Kirk fade into obscurity would be a lot more satisfying.

        • 666dollarfootlong@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          On one hand I agree, there could have been worse outcomes for him that he would have deserved, but on the other hand it is good that he can no longer cause any more harm himself

      • Sidhean@piefed.socialEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Every time I do it makes me laugh, How did his shirt get so red, And what the hell is up with Charlie’s head?

  • DagwoodIII@piefed.socialEnglish
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    1 month ago

    When he couldn’t get into West Point he was too much of a baby to just join up.

    If he couldn’t get the prettiest costume he wasn’t going to play soldier.

  • sudo@lemmy.todayEnglish
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    1 month ago

    This fucking chud has been dead for how long now and y’all are still talking about him? He was a piece of shit and now he’s a dead piece of shit. Why are you keeping this neck bleeding bitch relevant?

      • wuffah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I swear to god, it’s like The Game. I go months without thinking about Charlie Kirk and when it happens I feel like I’ve lost.

        Sorry, by the way.

        • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Remembering Hitler and the abhorrent shit nazis did has not prevented nazism from rising again. If we want to be really pessimistic we’re doomed either way.

          • Axolotl@feddit.itEnglish
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            1 month ago

            I mean, the place where nazism is taking foot again is the place where nazism wasn’t at the door and the story is barelly told to the children

            • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
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              1 month ago

              Actually I had two countries in mind when I made the comment. The US has taken great pride in defeating Nazi germany. But I get where you’re coming from in the context of the US, the American people don’t have first-hand experience with fascism so they probably don’t make the connection that the horrific shit they’re seeing is fascism.

              However the other country was what I had more in mind, Israel. Hopefully you’re not going “hold on, what?” because Israel is doing some pretty nazi shit. Jewish people don’t just have first-hand experience with nazism, they have a generational wound left by the Nazis. And in many ways Israel exists solely because of that generational wound. And yet Israel is the prime example how this kind of remembrance of Hitler and nazis doesn’t prevent it from happening again, because they’re now the ones riding on the ethnic supremacy, dehumanization, collective punishment, etc. ideological eradication train. And furthermore countries like Germany, who to this day harbor collective shame for doing Nazi shit, are not only unwilling to call it out but are in support of it. And it doesn’t even need to be Germany, quite a lot of countries in Europe support Israel, not because their daddy US tells them but because they themselves want to.

              So no, those historical lessons do not prevent bad things from repeating.

            • farting_gorilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              1 month ago

              If we’re talking the US here, Nazis supposedly came to the US to get ideas on how to oppress people, as the US was doing such a good job of it. I’m not at all surprised at what is happening in the US right now.

      • PhoenixDog@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year

        For context, he was talking about school shootings. He was advocating for 8 year olds being shot and killed in schools so people could have a gun to go shopping at Wal Mart.

      • greyscale@lemmy.grey.oooEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I don’t really want to watch the video of him talking again, or of a human dying, but is that actually what he was saying when his neck just did that?

        • Hasherm0n@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          The quote above is from a different interview out panel thingie and is his response to someone asking why he doesn’t think we should do more about school shootings. I’m pulling this entirely from memory so I’m paraphrasing a bit.

        • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Paraphrased:

          Guy at mic: How many mass shootings were perpetrated by trans people?

          Charlie: too many! (Crowd cheers)

          Guy at mic: and how many mass shootings in general were there?

          Charlie: Counting or not counting gang violence? (Gets shot, dies)

  • frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io
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    1 month ago

    Charlie Kirk was the human equivalent of an unfixed tomcat that hangs out in the street and yells at everyone, harasses other cats trying to go about their lives, and spreads disease and discord until they get hit by a car or someone euthanizes them.