You’d probably knows this was old news if you read more.
This, of course, is why people have stopped commenting on the internet.
Downvoat beecaws this kommint is baiassed aginst peepole hu kant reed gud.
Bi-assed
It’s a Shepherd’s Tone headline. Taken at face value, I have to assume 110% of the county is illiterate and scores are expected to get twice as bad by the end of the year.
Here’s a jpg of a graph with no citations and a poorly defined X-axis. Please go be Doomers in the comments now. Don’t forget to point at a generational cohort and blame them for everything
Everything you said is wrong. You’re not even replying to a doomer. The graph, the source link, the headline, the joke, it all went over your head. Incredible.
I blame Chromebooks.
I blame chrombooks, and the whole thing of dropping phonics for sight words the last ten years or so.
They didnt teach kids how to sound out words, and handed them a chromebook.
“Why cant children read?”
aye
Okay boomer.
I think Chromebooks as a supplement to books are fantastic. But instead they have completely replaced all books. This means lessons are broken up into small chunks of information which reinforces the limited attention span problems that already exist.
A chromebook is literally just a slightly more capable tablet with a slightly more capable OS. You’re blaming technology for a social problem.
A chromebook is an open invitation for all manner of distraction. The convenience is a double-edged sword. Having tablet like tech to work through also means it’s just as easy to go do something else rather than the task at hand. In addition, the school chromebooks are controlled by the school admin, and not the parents, more on that later.
With a book or some kind of physical medium, switching to a different thing means physically changing what you’re doing and interaction with. With a chromebook it’s as simple as opening up a new tab. And since the environment hasn’t changed (still at the desk on a the chromebook) it’s far too easy to lose track of time. They’re not mode-switching, they’re just switching tabs.
This is disaster, especially for children who already lack impulse control; because they’re children. Kind of one the main hallmarks of being a child. It’s exponentially worse for neurodivergent children, especially those with ADHD. Class/Homework/Textbook is boring? Open up a tiktok/youtube/etc tab… hours are gone. HOURS.
So the solution should be “well okay, the just block those things”. But you can’t… because you (as the parent) are not the chromebook admin, the school is. “Then you should just watch them”, you’re right, but ya know what would be better? If they weren’t doing their work on a machine that was so easily for them be distacted. Schools shouldn’t be giving children the tools to consume hours of brainrot, give the parents no controls in the mattter and just go “welp, figure it out”.
A child using paper and pencil has to physically change what they are doing and their focus. That’s mode switching. And it provides a focus barrier helping kids remain on task or at the very least track time (like with a pomodoro timer).
A chromebook is an open invitation for all manner of distraction.
Reactionaries blaming technology for social issues IS the distraction, boomer. You fell for it again and I’m not going to take you any more seriously just because you mashed out a wall of text about it.
Oh, got it, youre just a literal child. Of course you know everything.
The Chromebook’s didn’t magically appear. It was a social decision to use them.
Guns are perfectly safe too. They cannot do anything on their own. Yet a society that allows unrestricted gun ownership without regulations or training will have problems.
So yeah, it’s not the technology.
do you have children in US public school?
Two people making the same mistake doesn’t make either of them more correct for the company.
Off with you too, boomer.
You didn’t answer the question.
They dont have children, they are a child.
Absolutely.
I showed this graphic my wife, her response was chromebooks. She was a teacher through this timeframe and in 2015 was the period where laptops became 1 to 1 for her school.
sure dont blame the systemic dismantling of the education system
COVID stole a year or two of schooling for students in poorer families.
it stole 4 years for college and hs students. Ive read some reviews about certain schools in my area, before the lockdowns/protocols were lifted they were all unsatisfactory lack of experience, dint learn anything and job search, while the school was having trouble financially and raising TUITION all across the board. the ones that escaped from my local state uni, went to a UC school instead and had far better success, because that school likely had better resources for students undergrad experience and post-undergrad job search. some people started college around 2019-2020, they still lost the 4 years because the schools/instructors got lazy and put all thier lectures online instead of going to lecture in class even after they lifted lockdowns.
Would like to see the data disaggregated by grade. If this is the culprit, then we’ll see a rebound as kids away from covid appear.
But I believe (based on data from, say, other countries) that we don’t see this. Reading scores have been tanking for some other reason.
Now show the chart of tik tok user growth.
I would like to know what’s the influence of first generation immigration in these charts, because the states are kind of shit at reporting that.
My kids speak Spanish. They can read in both Spanish and English, but they learned Spanish first, so it took them a while to catch up in English. Many of their classmates come from Spanish speaking families, English is their second language, and they have a bit more of trouble. The issue here is that state level standardized testing doesn’t seem to care about Spanish at all, so you may find a bunch of very smart kids who score below average just because they speak more than one language, which is frankly insane.
Something like 22% of the US speaks something other than English at home. I wonder how this plays a role. I have no data beyond this, but it’s just something I’ve wondered about.
My kids district is a diverse one, I think white is just barely the majority, and it’s a real smattering of all sorts otherwise. There are a lot of kids who come from parents who clearly speak no English. And so when test results come out, they don’t look great for the school, but it’s kinda like no shit, we have kids learning English for the first time, of course they won’t test well.
So for this reason, I see how my kids are doing, I read with them, I do math with them, and if things seem good then they seem good, and I’m not personally going to stress over test score trends schoolwide, and certainly not statewide or nationally.
“Video is the future. If it’s not on youtube, people don’t care.”
Reaping what the internet has been sowing for the past decade.
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When I was younger, the Internet was primarily a text based medium. Images and videos existed, but mainly to illustrate text.
I don’t remember a time when I wasn’t able to read, so I wonder: do illiterate people now just watch videos on the Internet? Unthinkable 20 years ago that the Internet would be usable without being able to read.
It sure seems that way.
Remember… for most young people now, the internet isn’t even something you access through a browser - it’s a series of apps, some of which have replaced the majority of text with icons to avoid multi-language headaches.
I see.
I occasionally read debates at what age children should get smartphones or other devices. While I don’t have children yet nor plans to have any, I think my attitude would be: when they’re able to read and write and occasionally unsupervised, they get a GNU/Linux smartphone, with Plasma Mobile or similar, so they can use the Internet through a web browser and get used to that being normal.
They get an Android phone in their teen years when they need it for banking apps or similar.
There actually are a lot of good educational resources on Youtube right now. I feel like they probably aren’t among the popular channels.
That may be, but even the best possible educational youtube channels are not a replacement for literacy.
My state is on this list, near the bottom, but my kid isn’t.
The US is working its way toward illiteracy. Republicans need this to install a permanent set of oligarchs in the government.
The GOP welcomes their future voters. The dumber they are, the better for Republican votes.
Some heavily blue states plummeting too here.
Future red states you mean.
Also in Europe. It’s obviously related to unrestricted internet use and smart phone proliferation.
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They think they are smarter though. Beacause Tiktok told them so.
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The inconvenient truth for us old shits is that the parents are at fault mostly. Mostly we were powerless to stop it of course, but also many of us used our own money and our own will to buy our kids those devices and then let them use them freely.
Soon in the red states, it will be a badge of honor to be illiterate. Tr*mp loves the poorly educated bigly.
I wish I could remember the quote instead of my shitty paraphrase “These people act like education is a trap they avoided, instead of something they failed”
In a country where higher education is a debt trap, that kinda makes sense.
Lots of people already use “book lernin” as an insult.
Trump’s racist policies are the cause of that
Regular readers of /r/teachers are not surprised. Teachers have been sounding the alarm for decades, as they still are.
Also, if you love your kid, you’ll teach them to read. I mean books, real books, long books, no pictures, “chapter books” (which was a term I’d never heard till recently. Because, of course, books have chapters, why would one need to differentiate between… oh.) Read to them, read with them, talk about books with them, take them to the library, and take them to the book store. Give them books as presents.
“chapter books” (which was a term I’d never heard till recently. Because, of course, books have chapters, why would one need to differentiate between… oh.)
I mean, it’s a well known milestone in elementary school, when the kids are proud to graduate to chapter books. There is no “of course” when you’re talking about books for children who aren’t yet fully literate.
In the defense of the term “Chapter book” it feels like the inevitable conclusion towards words meant to differentiate book density falling out of favor. Pamphlet, manifesto, novel, and omnibus all had relations to the density of the book in question but pamphlet and manifesto have both become specialized towards different meanings.
All this happened during the departments of education participation trophy era.
Seeing this chart gave me a headache, who made that shit? There has to be a more legible way to display this info!
I believe the point of this version is to show the magnitude of change. They could have done a line graph with the same data but that would give different information perspective. It’s not as visually appealing this way but this is how metrics are evaluated.
I thought this was a great way to display it
