Some accounts are deleting their posts after a few downvotes. It’s devastating on communities like c/asklemmy.
Lemmy doesn’t track an account’s karma like reddit. So, all downvotes will be isolated to your post or comment and won’t affect your account—unless you wrote something truly horrible.
Remember lemmy is a community effort. Deleting a post also removes all comments on it. So you are not only robbing the effort others put in, you are actively removing knowledge from the fediverse. Others won’t be able to find it through search and lemmy will seem lonelier than it already is.
I was talking about this in another thread the other day, and somebody pointed out that, on the fediverse, every post gets pushed out everywhere. So, a user deleting their own post is just asking pretty please if all the federated instances will respect its deletion.
I don’t think that all fediverse clients/portals delete the comments along with the posts. IIRC, Voyager lets you look at the comments on deleted posts, at least I think I’ve seen my own comment after the post was deleted.
Yes. But by default the instances delete the content when the request comes.
Clients like voyager and summit do show your comment because the reference exist on your profile but others cannot discover it because the post itself is gone from all feeds.
So what you’re saying is it’s an instance choice (and instance admin) issue? Mine shows reply comments on deleted comments. You might reflect this in OP… Likely new admins don’t know to turn it off as well.
No, it’s not a per instance choice unless you go and edit the code. Deleting a post hides the whole thing but comments are still available via a user profile.
It’s a per-instance choice, yes. Comments though are handled differently. A deleted comment doesn’t delete the thread or any surrounding comments, just itself. The issue at hand is when a post is deleted it also deletes all comments with it. Unlike reddit where a deleted post would still have all the comments and discussions below it.
a deleted post would still have all the comments and discussions below it.
Pretty damn sure that’s exactly what I see. It just says ‘deleted’ or some such and carries on. Makes sense for an instance like .ml where censorship is the goal, much less elsewhere. Are you sure there isn’t an off switch?
You have to modify lemmy or piefed code to not delete the post from server instances upon request. It happens automatically.
The comments stay and can be viewed on your profile. But they cannot be discovered by others because the post which reveals them to the outside world is gone.
Comments work a bit differently. When you look at a post, and a comment is deleted you can still see its reply comments.
So post is always the starting point of discovery. If you delete that everything inside is effectively gone—like removing the only door into a room.
Hope that made sense.
Thanks, makes sense now.
Still seems like a (server) code level problem to provide sensible handling rather than having to try to notify all users of an unintuitive behavior. I’m guessing piefed would likely listen, lemmy perhaps less so.
unless you wrote something truly horrible
Look, I will be honest, I don’t like this about social media platforms. Nobody is perfect and not every person universally agrees on everything together. Disagreements and arguments are a guarantee. Who decides what is “truly horrible?” It should be defined in the rules by the mods and admins, not by each individual user.
Downvote a post or comment however you want, sure. But nobody should be following accounts to harass them in other threads or vote brigading every post they make just because they don’t like or agree with a post. People do this all the time on Reddit, and Lemmy is no different, they do it here too. This is way more devastating to Lemmy than deleting comments or posts.
If a post or comment actually breaks rules, that is the moderator’s and admin’s job to take care of. Report it and let them handle it.
Nobody should be deleting posts, I agree, but also please don’t be a Brigade Bozo. Nobody likes a Brigade Bozo.
EDIT: Also, may want to add “Why you should know this:” before your last paragraph.
I hate to say it but I think that’s the point of why some people, mostly bots, brigade.
Imo, it’s a 4chan/discord/twitter style of attack to foster cult-like behaviors. It’s often purposeful done to drive out dissenters and it simultaneously makes it appear like your opinion is widely shared, while in reality it could be a very vocal minority, alt-accounts chiming in, or bots doing the brigading.
Many Lemmy communities have done a decent job so far at keeping bots out imo, which is something other social media platforms like Reddit don’t even attempt at doing at scale since it inflates active account numbers.
People that follow someone around and downvote everything they write are pathetic. I would say I’m glad they are wasting their time, but I guess they can set up a bot to do it all so idk. It wouldn’t be hard for an administrator to see.
I realize you’re right, but when I first read this I thought it meant that if you wrote something truly horrible it would make you just have bad karma spiritually
Who decides what is "truly horrible?
Exactly. A community rule violation is what I had in mind. Some things universally “horrible” I can think of are hate speech, racism, and bullying etc.
Also misunderstandings (on various layers! It’s not obvious!) can go horribly wrong. As a neurodivergent it’s the story of my life.
So basically you’re saying we should lobotomize all koalas? what the fuck dude, i can’t believe you’d clearly state such a horrible opinion in a way that can’t possibly be misinterpreted, how the fuck can you sincerely and passionately think that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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If Lemmy wants to be a community, they can stop dogpiling.
Kibbles and bits doesn’t want DOGpiling… Lol
What would be some examples of said dogpiling…?
Lmfao your account is old enough to know what I’m talking about.
Oh, did I have the exact same experiences across the FV that you did?
I guess I missed that brain feed. 😕
In 3.9k comments, yes. I’m sure you have at some point.
.ml and hexbear are pretty well known for it.
That explains why I don’t see it that much. User experience hugely improves when you block those two
Well, that would certainly match their reputation.
I don’t seem to see it though across most of the FV. Other than various people groaning at various hare-brained “Ask Lemmy”-type questions.
Still better than
“Sexxers of Sexxit, what’s the sexiest sex you’ve ever sexed?”
Downvotes: 1
Upvotes: 10.635x10^13
yeahh and start catgril piling
We’re already puppygirl piling! 🐶
Don’t assume the post was deleted. Modded posts also show as deleted.
But also why would a downvoted post need to be saved? If it were a good post it’d have a positive vote count.
My client (Connect) separates user deletions from mod deletions by having mod deletions have a link to the modlog for that post/comment.
Different strokes for different folks
Yes, I frequently learn things from the replies to comments which have been removed by a moderator. I also like to look up the posts themselves to learn what was objectionable.
If it were a good post it’d have a positive vote count.
I don’t always agree with the hivemind’s judgment.
Is there a new influx of Reddit users? If so, why?
They got rid of r/all and the bot karma farming went super critical.
They just removed best and hot from the app, now its a slop feed of low vote shit.
Reddit Is Fun still able to access All and Hot as of 6-17-26 and looking great as ever, but just looking at the titles of the posts make my eyes want to roll into the back of my head. It’s all that ‘hot take’ language from tik Tom or whatever. Not sure how to describe it better.
Wait seriously?
deleted by creator
It’s overrun by AI slop bots too.
This was the top post of r/aww the other day. Nobody noticed the AI slop. Or maybe all the comments were bots too.
I fucking hate the current- and probably next-gen slop. Modern cell phone cameras rely on computational photography, since the software based solution of guessing what’s there is much easier than expanding the physical optics and sensors.
But that also leads to artifacts that are very similar to AI-generated bullshit, because both are based on a computer making guesses based on a noisy input.
I hate that I can’t tell the difference between a cell phone’s bad guess and a data center’s really good guess.
maybe that will make polaroids a thing again, since it relied on exposure i would image it would be more difficult to fake
The title is such nonsensical slop in itself. Wtf about hanging out in a litter box would make a cat “king”?
execute healthy bowel movements, king
A cat taking a piss is the last thing I would upload to the awww sub, and I actually did follow that one on half of my accounts there.
But what are the other tells now, I take it the pattern is different on the floor in the circled part? I couldn’t even tell.
The last pic obviously the electrical outlet looks wrong but idk,
The cat in the last pic doesn’t look like the same cat either, it’s tail is fluffy, and it looks older, than the pissing cat?
These types of outlets do exist(old/rarely used) but it’s mounted sideways. However it doesn’t seem to have any grounding going on. Afaik a circular one should have grounding.
The last pic OP posted as a more recent photo, so the age isn’t a tell.
Look at the focus shift on the cat’s body in the last pic. The center of the body is out of focus for no reason. It’s because LLMs don’t have spatial sense. It doesn’t “know” how to maintain realistic camera focus.
I’ve been off Reddit for awhile; when I looked over the past week it seems much deader.
Posts are getting much less engagement there than they were for the past few years, imo. Take my opinion with a grain of salt though cause that’s just for the most front page communities I happened to visit.
“the internet is 5 giant websites filled with screenshots of the other 4”
Hello, Mr. Doctorow. Good day!
I’m not sure but maybe it’s because reddit is aggressively banning or shadow banning accounts.
Every week spez does something to mess it up. It’s hard to keep track.
That’s why I’m here. No clue what I even did wrong. Wild guess is that it was from editing a post that contained a pastebin link to code I was asking a question about. But whatever the reason, this place is actually kinda nice. I did manage to revive a throwaway Reddit account I once made, so I guess I could go back, but haven’t really felt the need.
They are banning people for upvoting comments they don’t like. Did you recently upvote anything pro-labor or Luigi related?
They know it’s you still, if you’ve been permabanned especially.
Even if no ip or browser fingerprints or any of that rot follows you from your old account, the way you talk, your phrases, would id you.
ai burning down the data center trying to keep up with my bpd
Probably banned you for not being a bot.
I’ve noticed that too. I have a lurker account but I’ve been largely out of touch with Reddit since 2014 or so.
There’s a consumer rights wiki we can use to help keep track:
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Reddit
The most recent changes look to be a mobile web blockage and requiring a login for using old.Reddit.
Surely this is on the downvoters, though? To a lot of people, downvote means “I want this post removed from the internet”, not “I don’t fully agree with this post”.
Aren’t those deleting their own posts just saying “Oh no! I didn’t realise this was so upsetting to people - I better remove it”?
Yes, if the overall sentiment is that people don’t like what I have to say then my thought is generally that I ought not have said it. Sometimes I might think that it’s others who are being close-minded or whatever, but I usually feel terrible for having caused offense, and I then wish to erase my mistake.
Even if that were true, how is it on the down voters that your self esteem is so low that fake internet points are a defining characteristic of your identity? Someone didn’t like what I posted? Boo hoo.
Not everyone downvoting wants the censure of your post or comment, no.
For instance, I downvoted this comment because I think it’s a poor generalization and I’d rather have better thought out comments promoted, not because I want it censored.
How can it be on the downvoters when there is typically no justification tied to a downvote? Misinterpretation is on the poster, not on the downvoter.
For instance, I downvoted this comment because I think it’s a poor generalization and I’d rather have better thought out comments promoted
You could achieve that by up voting the others that are better and not down voting anything. Causes useless negativity, which is the reason why many big platform removed it or never introduced it. At least, you gave a comment and explained your view. That’s usually what I do instead of down voting.
No, it is not the same thing. A downvote is disapproval, an upvote is approval, and no vote is neutral.
The only way to have the same outcome than a downvote with only upvotes is to upvote every single other comment, and that means I lose the ability to specifically approve and promote other comments that I think specifically deserve more visibility.
Seeing a downvote as negativity is an interpretation problem. All it means is that people disapprove with you, and that is okay. If you are downvoted more than upvoted, then you know your opinion is unpopular. Doesn’t meant it’s bad or good.
For instance, I neither downvoted nor upvoted your comment, because I consider it a valuable part of the conversation, but I still don’t approve it.
No, it is not the same thing. A downvote is disapproval, an upvote is approval, and no vote is neutral.
I find it interesting that you see my “downvote = negativity” as an interpretation problem, but that you don’t see that what you just wrote is your interpretation of the buttons. At no place in any Lemmy documentation and not anywhere in any Lemmy app or web app is written what you just wrote. It’s your interpration of the meaning of the buttons.
For me:
- Upvote can be approval or even a something I disagree with, but is well argued or I want to see more of it
- Clicking nothing means “I don’t care”
- Downvotes are disabled by my instance, which is good. I can’t see downvotes and can’t give them.
- Comments allow me to disagree and share my arguments why I disaggree (as I do now).
- And if something is so bad that it should be gone, there is still the possibility to report a post or comment
The only way to have the same outcome than a downvote with only upvotes is to upvote every single other comment
But why is that even necessary? Why are you even wasting your energy to click that button? If it’s really bad, one can report it. If it’s not worth to report, one can leave it and focus on other stuff. I seriously don’t understand it. My only explanation is “doing it like that because we have always done it that way” and this is why I totally understand why most big platforms removed such a downvote feature.
If you are downvoted more than upvoted, then you know your opinion is unpopular. Doesn’t meant it’s bad or good.
Not even unpopular in general… Unpopular in a specific bubble at a specific time. But I agree. Combined with a karma system, it’d unfortunately by a toxic combination… (Reddit)
For instance, I neither downvoted nor upvoted your comment, because I consider it a valuable part of the conversation, but I still don’t approve it.
That confuses me now, because it feels like the point I’m trying to make.
This. But having worked in people management before I also understand that there are infinite ways different people might interpret one thing
You guys have downvotes? Every time I try to downvote a post I got a server error
Don’t some instances deactivate downvotes?
Piefed keeps a record of you attitude, you upvote to downvote ratio, I think I’m around like 80 some percent upvotes for instance. I think they are working on something else in that manner I don’t recall.
But but sometimes you get drunk and shit post on Lemmy and you should delete those
Deleting a post also removes all comments on it.
This really needs to change. OP shouldn’t have control over the conversations everyone’s having, even if they can remove their portions of it. Even reddit didn’t give OP that power, even if it was removed from the sub page.
FWIW some instances/front ends preserve the comments section, although it ends up being a bit jank. For example, if you load this through lemmy.zip, it shows as an error because OP deleted it. But if you go through old.lemmy.zip you can still see (most of) the comments, although not what the original post was.
https://lemmy.zip/post/65423752
https://old.lemmy.zip/post/65423752No. It should be your choice to remove your own content AND replies often contain quotes of the original post.
(about to vent) This is like the idiocracy Wikimedia projects all have, like “oh we can rename you so that people don’t know it was you, we can still see it ourselves tho, also don’t ever ever edit again or we put the name back and mute you for a while” then I am like “yeah sure” and then they did in fact change the name of the account in the logs BUT pressing 3 buttons on it shows the original name AND it now basically just fucking GLOWS among the other names. Like, as if they seriously think one would rather press the same 2 buttons to check for renames on
JohnDoe21rather than on fuckingRenamed user 12123738120912469074567097145637089345278901253470986453sfndmmsdfhnlgasmdfhbksfgjdsfd.I dunno the ins and outs of wiki infighting, but I don’t think one person should have control over whether hundreds of comments get seen or not. Unfortunate if people can quote things that put you in a bad light but unless things are taken out of context maybe just think harder about what you post in the first place.
If your post has replies, “deleting” a comment should just remove your name from the post. Not just the replies remain, but the original comment too
For that matter, let each comment have an edit history so we can see what you’ve changed. Usually it’ll just be a spelling/formatting mistake, but the people deserve to know!
Aye aye capin"
Even if you’re on Reddit, deleting your post/comment because of downvotes is cowardly. Is your ego so fragile you won’t stand by your own words because of imaginary internet points?
The main problem is that people give down votes for other opinions. They can’t go to the next post or comment without pressing the negativity button. Their ego is fragile.
But I agree with your comment.
If you have karma to burn, sure. But if you’re low-karma and an infrequent poster, a drop in karma means your comments get blocked in some communities or, worse, shadowbanned.
aren’t there karma farming communities on reddit?
never understood karma tbh. but if it is supposed to be a reputation system - its pretty weak…
I had a few heavily heavily downvoted comments on Reddit, usually just for making a joke that missed…. But I’d never delete them. Gotta own your mistakes and make up for it with quality replies
In that exact vein, I don’t appreciate an /s on a post, or a “forgot to add /s tee hee” edit. We got it, it wasn’t funny/going to be funny, let’s move on.
This /s
People are deleting their account because imagined karma being low? Why do people even care. I have no idea how much karma I have and it’s pointless to know.
That really is the max sillyness, caring about points and likes on social media.
There’s bots on Lemmy that vote farm. There really is no sense to any of it.
I have no idea how much karma I have
Because there is no such a thing as karma on lemmy. Upvotes dont sum up anywhere for us to see.
Lemmy is great! A post in one community can be heavily downvoted but in another would be upvoted to heaven. E.g. Ukraine@lemmy.ml and Ukraine@sh.itjust.works. Teaches us to read the room.
I really hope it’s not made visible ever. Even reset every day would be good. We shouldn’t care about silly things like that.
On reddit if you have a low karma your account gets severely limited. Shadow bans, you can’t post on many subreddits etc.
But there’s no such issues here most of the time. Each post / comment stands by its own merit.
Wait, deleting a post removes alle comments?
Like in deleting them aswell?
Live by your mistakes, be honest about them how else are you supposed to get better.
When I left reddit I just quit. I didn’t clean up anything.
you should at least replace your history with gibberish or ai poisoning, couple of open source githubs that do it, dont let them keep monetizing your contributions
What’s a good poisoning one?
