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I guess we should vote for fascists harder about it.
But car goes WROOM WROOM!
Ah, mais en France car goes «vroum vroum»
Cars can’t vroom vroom anymore. There’s too much traffic.
Why did they remove the relief? It helps orienting.
Not the same channel! TF1 still has the relief map today
Oh good we are ahead of schedule
This is one of the reasons my spouse and I opted to not have kids. This place is doomed.
Given that overpopulation likely contributes to climate change, you’re also doing your part for those who do have to live through this hellscape!
It doesn’t really make a huge difference tbf, also, most of the work is done by a few countries (see India, China and many african countries), countries like South Korea or Italy actually have the opposite problem, there aren’t enough kids
Honestly having kids or not doesn’t make a huge difference since most countries are below replacement already anyway. Not like it’s normal to have 3+ kids anymore even if you do have kids.
I actually think it might even be worse to not have kids at this point, someone needs to fix all the issues previous generations have created. I’m pretty sure we need human intervention, some kind of Geo-engineering/Terraforming to avoid a runway hot house earth (something like effective carbon capture)… So I don’t think antinatalism helps…
brother, we have a couple years left. capitalism was and will be extremely efficient.
it actively even degraded people’s intelligence level to maximize consumerism and most importantly the holiest of all: profit accumulation. education is completely indoctrinating us in every aspect to affirm the system.
change is completely out of reach to have every human being on earth to emancipate, so we’d dissolve all borders and switch from this hellscape of commodity based production to a to a needs based one.
its not going to work within national solutions, all those will have to play the game of the mightiest, we need all people to realize this but media already done its job to scare people out of reach for years. its literally the allegory of the cave, and people choose the chains.
Dude I feel so incredibly guilty for bringing my kids into this horror. You’re doing the right thing.
Thanks; it’s a super depressing choice but I know it’s the right one.
Yeah just don’t fall into the old mistake of weather = climate. Heat waves happened before climate change as well. But our current changing climate makes them more likely to happen more often and more intense, if I am informed correctly.
This kind of heatwave did NOT happen before. Weather is locked for over a week with many days or weeks to come. It’s almost not a heat_wave_, it’s just heat. Stable, unbearable, not changing but only increasing heat, started before summer even started…
It’s not high summer, and 40C is crazy. This is climate chang. Saying it’s weather is oil propaganda.
Its not one or the other, that’s overly simplistic. Using this one data point to “prove” climate change is about as honest as someone bringing a snowball into congress to prove it’s fake.
You need both to prove a sustainable point, otherwise it’s forgotten with the next cold snap. This is one extreme data point, and it helps to showcase the problem, but it is not the only one. Use it as part of a whole, not as a singular showcase.
Thats my interpretation of OPs comment.
Idk when record-breaking high temperatures are showing up weekly I think they stop being “extreme” data points
Outliers aren’t outliers anymore when all the measurements are in that range
That they’re outliers of what has been the norm for centuries is the entire point. Saying “this is the new normal” is, as you might surmise, normalizing it.
If you have many outliers in rather small interval they stop being outliers and indicate a trend.
I get what you’re saying. And you’re right. It about “how often”
I mean, it is the new normal? None of us (hopefully) want it to be, but it’s the reality we have to deal with, unless the laws of physics that make thermometers work suddenly changed and no one noticed
It looks like you both basically agree
We are projected to potentially have the warmest day ever recorded in Denmark this weekend, I would call that a direct sign of climate change.
Look up how many heatwaves happened in France during the 20th century, and how many happened in the last 10 years. Yes, weather on any single day is not climate, but we are quite past “oh heatwaves happened before”.
At what point does constant heat records and deadly heatwaves move from ‘weather’ to ‘climate’? 10 years? 20?
Not just heat waves, average has also increased - https://showyourstripes.info/s/europe/france/all
Portland, Oregon, in °C (cause I never learned Fahrenheit)
It’s not typically known for being a hot place, but this is just the weather report for today.
We’re so very fucked.
(yes watch is in Japanese cause that’s what I grew up speaking and I don’t want to lose it despite having pretty good English, get off my back)
Edit: and then I checked the weather report for later. We’re not cooked, temporarily. Grand scheme of things, thoroughly fucked. But the eye of the storm feels nice.
I’ve lived within an hour or so of Portland for 40 years, and 24C (75F) has always been a reasonable temperature for late June
Hey friend, you sound like you’ve had a rough time with people trying to get you to “integrate” or some such. Your choices of how you experience the world and technology aren’t any one else’s concern and whatever they are, they are valid. I live and work in highly international environments and basically everyone prefers their native tongue for things like computer/phone interface.
Fuck the haters, stay cool, peace out ✌️
I learned English when I was eleven and spent my twenties and thirties masking as yet another basic white American chick, and then in my late thirties I realized that just cause I’m not the exact ethnicity I needed to be for my childhood to be easily believable (white kid growing up on an Air Force base in rural Japan) that I didn’t need to hide it, and that I should celebrate who I was when I was barely a meter tall, thirty years ago. I try my best to keep up my Japanese, but I don’t look like someone who speaks it, which is great when I overhear people shit talking me for being trans or whatnot.
I could take an hour and learn Fahrenheit, but I just don’t want to. I know Fahrenheit for values over 300 anyway: set oven to the number on the box.
さあ、しょうがないね。
I work in HVAC, maybe I should move to Europe…
So I was curious about this, and asked my barber (yesterday) how much the aircon he had installed was.
I was told the unit costs (~£1600) were exceeded by the install/labour, and that all they did was the unit fitting & plumbing/pipe to the external unit. An electrician had to be separately hired to wire it all up.
So I’m conservatively guessing somewhere around 3.5k all in.
For one of those normal units, I’d estimate as about 70x25cm, cooling an area less than my living room.
I’d say anyone looking for a trade in the UK right now, would be wise to skill up on doing it as a one stop shop, and cash in for the next decade.
Truly wild.
I’m in the northern us and traveled to Austin, TX for work recently.
I departed at 72 degrees and raining and landed in 98 degrees with a 78 dew point. It was a heat index of 116.
I understand exactly why the world is burning, watching all the people scurry from AC to AC in a state which derives most of it’s power from fossil juice. And then of course, everyone is driving a monster vehicle and coal rolling pedestrians and e scooter renters.
We’re so fucked.
This is not supposed to be personal, but an additional point is how it is completely natural to us as a society to fly somewhere. Even if it’s for work.
Absolutely.
I don’t fly often, but my entire team travels for work, meaning they are on the road all day, everyday. We are a sales organization and that’s what is expected by our customers.
I’m not exempt from blame here. I do what I can to reduce my footprint, sadly it’s not much.
I fully understand. I did that for a long time, too (working and participating in a frequent flying environment). But that’s really where we need to change society. The way we think about things that we have never questioned before.
And one additional thing should become very clear: it’s not only about our footprint. Someone needs to stop others from destroying everything, from flying, from coal rolling monster suvs etc. And as there are too few people being that someone, we need to be that someone.
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I departed at 72 degrees and raining and landed in 98 degrees with a 78 dew point. It was a heat index of 116.
Global warming or American degrees…
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I think he grew up and lived in Europe after his ancestors moved there from Africa.
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So as per the predictions the temperatures will go down. /s
Everything is fine…
AC is quite rare in France. So everyone is basically cooking alive. Except the politicians because of course their workspace has AC.
AC could add like 10°C to the streets during a heatwave, + any emissions from faulty equipment is massively more powerful than CO2
Putting AC everywhere is not a solution by any standard…
What we need is thermal insulation for the buildings
This is the way. With good insulation doesn’t matter if there’s a heatwave or a coldwave. And there is the risk of the Gulf steam stopping and sending Europe to a mini ice age.
Except that isolations keeps warmth in, or out in the winter, but not both. Not that simple.
But you’re right about cities and AC, I was in Madrid in august last year, jesus it was hot. So hot it was probably dangerous, I wonder how much was caused by ubiquitous AC.
I beg to differ. A good insulation insulates two systems from another. In this case the air outside and the air inside. So with a good insulation you don’t need as much heating when it is cold outside and cooling when it is hot outside.
Just woke up. It’s 6 am and 28 c.
Well of course major climate change occurs when you flatten all the terrain.
I hate modern graphics, it sucked the art out of everything digital.
Dude I am stuck on how terrible the numbers are to look at. Seriously how have all the graphic changes been this much worse?
wat
It’s meant to be a joke, it clearly didn’t land like I thought, oh well.
The new map has no terrain detail, so I, jokingly, took to mean that they literally flatted out the terrain. Which would cause all sorts of climate change.
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And people continue to deny that global warming is real…
Well its not the whole globe, just Europe here. There are people there I care about, but there’s plenty of space for them over here when Europe becomes uninhabitable, and switching to renewables seems like kind of a pain.
Of course if Europeans refugees DID start fleeing here, they’d change their mind about how much space there is.
My favorite is “it’s real, but it’s the sun, so…what are we gonna do? Besides, humans can’t possibly affect the earth!” as if things like aerosolized lead blanketing the planet for 60 years simply didn’t happen.
No, that was plan A.
Plan A: tell people there’s no climate change
Plan B: tell people climate change is natural, not man made
Plan C: tell people climate change is man made but there’s nothing we can do about it
We’re at plan C now.
But not too much man made. Can’t risk be sued
Some have stopped denying the warming. But they’ve moved on to “humans can’t cause enough pollution to affect the entire earth” and “It’s god’s will to bring the end times” fml
Tell them to fuck their gods. ATP There should be forced climate action whether other people like it or not.
In the UK they’ve moved on to “we’re too small to make a difference, it’s like pissing in the wind”…
seems like they are still ignoring BREXIT’s fallout too.
Canada is the same. Always the what about China. But they make the stiff for us what do people expect. We have outsourced our pollution.
It’s not happening.
It’s happening, but it’s not our fault.
It’s our fault, but it’s too late to do anything about it…
A lot will admit it’s real but then shift blame to China while overlooking the facts that chinas pollution is largely made by western countries outsourcing the dirtiest parts of their supply chain to China and that China is vastly outperforming and outspending literally every country in considerably bringing down their emissions
Sadly, most people are incapable (or unwilling) to think beyond maybe 2 links in the causal chain, the “in your face” immediatelly visible stuff and a simple explanation for it (generally of the “people I don’t like did it” kind).
Faced with “this is happening” (or, worse, “somebody is telling me this is happening”), they’ll generally accept whatever “explanation” they’re fed and can’t just keep asking themselves “Why?” (“Why are you telling me this (what’s in it for you)?”, “why would those people do this (what’s in it for them)?”, “is that the only reason?” and so on).
For example, if you dig down, in most countries in Europe the increase in immigration can be traced back to locals not having enough kids and thus the population is aging and you need to let in working age people to pay for retirement pensions of the locals, and that in turn digs down to massive realestate bubbles and stagnating salaries so that the profits of the fatcats are high (at the unspecialized level immigration does put downwards pressure on salaries, though the picture is less clear above that) making life way harder for young people so they have fewer children, and that in turn leads to how the parties in government (mainly the “mainstream” ones) have reliably enacted policies to favor very rich people (mainly making the income from Work be less and less whilst the income from Asset Ownership is more and more) and realestate investors, and that in turn leads us to just how many of those politicians have “realestate investestor” as their main source of wealth increase and to the massive levels of Corruption in the modern era.
IMHO Populism works because it just points at some issue (or makes one up) and then provides a single-layer immediate explanation (generally of the “they’re bad people” kind), and that’s it.
