• ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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      16 days ago

      Also, all the bars and restaurants started tacking a 20% “tip” straight into the bill instead of making it voluntary.

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          15 days ago

          Or you know. Fuck tipping culture instead of paying your employees. The bar is charging $8 for 80 cents of bottom shelf booze in a mixed drink and right now they’re swamped in business with people racking up hundreds in drinks and bar food. You don’t think they could afford to bonus out their staff?

          Fuck you.

          • WhoIsTheDrizzle@lemmy.world
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            I’m not saying they couldn’t, I’m saying they won’t. You’re happy to patronize those locations and give the owners $8/drink but not pay the staff.

            Fuck you, friend.

            • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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              13 days ago

              oh look. Someone who thinks they earned an extra $20 for walking over a couple plates, when other people did all the work preparing it.

              Literally the only people against getting rid of tipping and making the owners pay a real wage are the wait staff. They don’t want to pay taxes on everything they make, and they know that they’d make less money if they were just paid by the hour.

              They even got greedy as hell trying to push the normal up to 20% or more. The standard tip used to be between 10% and 15% for decades. The price of food and eating out has gone up with inflation, so why would that percentage need to change?

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                  13 days ago

                  oh shit. Are you also saying you folded napkins and had to speak to people or use a reguster? Wow. That almost sounds like the things an hourly paid employee would do!

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      16 days ago

      Of course not, the tip is just viewed as an additional surcharge and they don’t want to spend that money. The social issue is very likely, if at all, just an after-the-fact rationalisation.

      • greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo
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        16 days ago

        We’re coming to the US to see the fall of rome, my dude.

        The collapse of your nation is our spectacle.

        Smile, you’re on TV! :)

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            15 days ago

            Sounds of cheering when the America is glassing the sandbox

            The boomerang is coming home and the schadenfreude is too enticing.

        • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
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          16 days ago

          Celebrating other people’s misery is the reason humans could never get along in the first place. It’s tribalism, same thing they’ve used for thousands of years to divide people.

          Don’t worry, European countries have their own fascism problem, not far behind the U.S.

          Then we can all be miserable together.

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            16 days ago

            And this will be the first time in history that fascists in power have access to a fully-immersive (and inescapable) digital panopticon complete with AI to process more data that humans would be capable of doing unassisted, and adding concerningly high rates of hallucinations on top of it, even aside from the biases and spins that are baked into their algorithms…

            Oh and military technology has come a long way since the last time fascists gained enough influence to threaten the world order…

            This isn’t going to be good if we can’t all pull ourselves out of this death spiral before it’s too late…

        • Azzu@leminal.space
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          16 days ago

          If you’re going to the US, you’re supporting whatever is going on over there. It makes you worse than the many people in the US that were born there for no fault of their own, now trying to work against it.

          Schadenfreude is bad enough by itself, actually increasing the Schaden is even worse. So I’m not sure exactly what you’d be celebrating, except your own shittyness.

          And I’m not even from the US, so “my” nation isn’t even the one you’re talking about.

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              The problem is that the 340 million people there are incredibly diverse. While a large part would circlejerk about how superior they are, another large part wouldn’t. It’s easy and fun to lump all Americans together, and even mandated by our brains inability to process such large numbers, but doing it always unfortunately alienates the ones that do not exhibit the traits you ridicule.

              It’s so much better (and useful) to just ridicule the traits/behaviors themselves instead of the relatively unrelated nationality. There’s nationalists and smug superiority everywhere.

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              We don’t circlejerk about how “superior” we are, even if it feels that way.

              We’re usually dunking on you for being a bunch of violent, dumb fuckheads.

          • greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo
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            I wouldn’t go there because I don’t have an X or twitter for them to interrogate my opinions… and I’m far too jokey to not upset people and get myself in trouble with people in “authority”.

            I’ve gotta wait out the American decline until some time after Balkanisation and they start removing some of the guns. Honestly, it seems about as sensible as going to do tourism in the congo.

            Join in with us, pass the popcorn then.

          • Ricky Rigatoni@piefed.zip
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            It’s rough seeing how smug europeans are about american fascism when every time you look at european news you see their own fascist splinter groups gaining more political traction with none of them really doing anything about it. Maybe worry about yourselves before worrying about us, right?

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                Yeah. It’s interesting they all working together (despite being nationalistic) sending each other funds, and they all have a very positive view towards Russia.

                I’m surprised there people who believe it is all organic.

                • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  16 days ago

                  About a decade ago, Steve Bannon very overtly came to Europe with money from the Koch Foundation openly to “Fund Far-Right parties”.

                  In many places in Europe the rise of the Far-Right happened after that.

                  Similarly, in Britain it turned out that most of the social media manipulation in favor of Leave was done by Cambridge Analitica, a British company which was being paid to do it by wealthy Americans.

                  America actively funds the Far-Right in Europe, especially the anti-EU crowd since EU member nations were a lot easier to push around by America and American interests individually, than they are grouped into the EU (even if parts of the EU, such as the EU Commission, have pretty much sold themselves out to large American companies)

              • greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo
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                16 days ago

                Yeah they love pointing at European fascism but being remarkably blind at drawing the connections themselves.

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                15 days ago

                Funded by not Americans.

                No being a fucking billionaire South African who can go wherever he wants isn’t an American. There’s multiple of those people, even!

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              Your country started that. And because your double agent of a president is Putin’s pawn, guess what? Putin received leeway to muddy Europe’s water too, with an unstoppable hybrid war. Every news article, every forum, every community I used to visit is now filled with bots that, as soon as politics is mentioned, chimes in about the “rapist immigrants that are stealing your job” and how “Europe is a failed continent that’ll turn your kids trans/gay”.

              It’s hilarious, isn’t it? US and Russia shit on ME and Africa, which causes a huge wave of political and war refugees/economic immigrants to run from the horrors that YOUR country is responsible for.

              And instead of us trying to think how to handle the piece of shit to the East, and how to protect our borders from illegal immigration, we have an ex-ally to the West, who is eyeing sovereign European territory.

              And you have the audacity to call us smug? No, we are just familiar with history and evil men in power.

            • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              You are not wrong, but fucking all american shit comes here with a 10 year delay for some reason (obesity, economic crisis, far right/proto fascism, anti vax, neoliberalism, the list goes on and on and on) so maybe that’s why people like to have a go at your country when it looks like you’re beating up yourselves while making it a spectacle.

              I hope you’ll finally figure it out, good luck!

            • Azzu@leminal.space
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              16 days ago

              Unfortunately, the US regularly intervenes in foreign countries’ affairs, so it’s not possible and geopolitically pretty stupid to not worry about the US. You can worry about both, though.

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                You can worry about both, though.

                The issue is they aren’t. They just complain about the US and ignore their own country moving down that path. When they have the best ability to prevent it from getting bad early.

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          Lol dumbass doesn’t understand his country is comming with. Where you live dope? I’ll give you an in depth economic breakdown of how you’re fucked even if your entire retirement account is rheinmetal

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          No ethical consumption under capitalism. Can believe workers should be paid by the business owner and not by patron tips and believe that going to a world cup match to watch your country play your favorite sport is no worse than shopping at a big box store or paying your landlord.

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          It’s a big world mate and I can’t always be aware of every shitty thing going on at all times. Not only for logistical reasons, but also for mental health reasons.

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            I didn’t state that you must know everything, but you can’t claim to be aware of social issues if you’re willfully ignorant.

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      I don’t think the definitive no one is true. While a lot of them couldn’t care less. I’m sure there are some that do.

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    What sucks about stories like this is not only are the servers not getting paid, they’re actually losing money because of the alcohol sales.

    Why? Because in most restaurants that sell alcohol the server has to tip out the bartender a percentage of their drink sales. That $0 tip actually just took $5 away from the server.

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      And without it, dishwashers, bussers, host staff who barely afford minimum living expenses wouldn’t be able to do that.

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        I was talking about a sub-minimum wage earner tipping out another sub-minimum wage earner, but you’re absolutely right about the other staff. In fact it’s even worse with a sub-minimum wage earner paying out of pocket to the wage earner.

    • Courtney (she/her/they) @lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Yes but you’re forgetting that the rich Douchebags going to the world cup are deserving of being allowed to do that because checks notes “the employees they’re hurting work in the USA and therefore aren’t people because their government sucks and ours is so much better just don’t look behind the curtain or in the closet or under the rugs”

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        Ah, you’re right. Disregard what I said. The servers should be grateful they have the privilege of losing money due to FIFA’s patrons.

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    Oh, so they are happy to give their money to the business owners that are not paying their workers enough to live on. And the think that tweeting about their moral highground is good.

    great, so these wealthy tourists can return home and the workers are still stuck working for tips. Well, at least these workers don’t have to suffer the extra work for much longer. eventually the world cup will end and business will return to normal. How generous of the european elite to give their money to the business owners.

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    This is hilarious. If you thought the American capitalists were greedy, pig headed assholes who smugly step on anyone they perceive to be under them while acting like they are helping them, here come the European football fans.

    This is a race to the bottom of capitalist assholes trying to get one back on America by further exploiting their proles.

    What a gross thing to be proud of!

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    Tbh, this is a distraction. News channels pointing to those (few probably) pesky foreigners refusing to tip, and everyone falls for the rage bait.

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    Self-righteous euro-trash deprive workers of pay they know the workers deserve, in order to stick it to management, who is unaffected by this action. Great work, guys, way to attack the victims of a bad system by making whipping boys of them, I’m sure that their bosses rolling in money from all the extra business are VERY upset. What a bunch of assholes. I’m sure these same pieces of animated fecal matter get upset when tourists to their countries ignore all the local customs and mistreat the workers.

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          There was nothing funny about joking about glassing the middle east or invading europe, but here we are.

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            Yeah, like I said, “any of this” includes that. Watching the US becoming the Nazis is not entertainment when you know it means people will suffer, not just the people you think should suffer.

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          Local sportsball leagues? Sure.

          National televised sportsball? Just a vehicle for gambling and societal division.

          Sportsball is just a war surrogate anyway.

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    If you can’t tip, don’t go to the restaurant or bar. Those workers depend on their tips. And the restaurant or bar isn’t just gonna make up the difference for the server just because you decided not to tip.

    Those Europeans are being dicks.

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    I never before thought about FIFA bringing attention to social issues but think about it, the book the spotlight on Qatar, and now the United States, they should probably go to North Korea next.