Thats about what i’ve been saying… 200 dollars more, and you get a vastly superior product over the steam machine…Which seeing as the steam machine is a luxury good, and not a budget concious/performance per dollar build… I’m perfectly okay with suggestion spending an extra 200 dollars for something markedly superior.
Most of us can get a vastly superior product than the Steam Machine for the cost of a Steam Machine.
Most of us, sure, but we’re not the target market, and it’ll be bulkier, it’ll require more work to set up, it’ll be louder or hotter, it’ll have to be optimised for gaming rather than games being optimised for it - it will trade all of the steam machine’s selling points for raw power.
Pretty sure Valve thinks the same. They’d rather their ‘consoles’ establish a performance floor than a ceiling. They don’t want to make hardware - they don’t want to make an OS, it’s just what’s required to compete with Microsoft (who’s actively threatening them since they announced the Windows Store for Windows 8 and Xbox game pass at the time)
and that performance floor is heavily reliant on FSR.
Which is bad for everyone. We’re already seeing games that need FSR even at 1080p because of shit optimization. We don’t need this normalized and set as a standard.
It’s still more powerful than 70% of computers running Steam, so what’s your point?
People really need to learn to read more than the first sentence
We’re already seeing games that need FSR even at 1080p because of shit optimization. We don’t need this normalized and set as a standard.
I did read it. That doesn’t mean it was anything more than you throwing it in because it vaguely sounds like you’re making a point
The Steam Machine is more powerful than 70% of systems on Steam. That means that those 70% of systems already need to do the same tricks to get similar performance. Valve isn’t normalizing anything.
If anything, it’s putting more pressure on devs to optimize for lower-end systems by giving them a “standard” system to target for optimization. We saw the same thing happen with the Steam Deck
I’m on the reservation list for a Steam Machine and personally have no regrets, but I’m so happy these exist. I don’t think it has to be a big competition, but between not appealing to a mass audience and have limited stock, the Steam Machine may have inadvertently ushered in a prebuilt Linux PC revolution, and that’s a wonderful thing.
Yup, I was thinking the same thing, the more people that can get on the Linux train, the better.
You’ve been able to make a low powered Linux machine whenever you wanted to. The Steam machine didn’t change anything.
Not everyone wants to build their own PC, and that’s okay. Other use cases exist besides just what the hardcore PC crowd wants. There was a penguin-shaped gap in the prebuilt market, and now the Linux gap is closing, thankfully.
You didn’t need to build your own pc to install Linux on a prebuilt pc either 🤣
Not everyone wants to figure out an os install
inadvertently
I suspect Valve knew what they were doing, and while they probably care more about having prebuilts with Steam preinstalled and convenient to use, they included desktop mode in SteamOS and made sure the steam deck was open to tinkering.
Can we finally say it? Is the year of the Linux desktop finally upon us??
The year of the Linux desktop came and went honestly a while ago with kde 6 and proton hitting the scene.
Now it’s the year of the Linux pre built.
nah, it’s more like the year of the linux game console, if anything.
Nor the Steam Machine nor this Steamroller are consoles tho
I could however, plug the fucker into my TV and play games though.
*Neither
The Steam Machine ain’t a typical PC either, at least that’s not the intention on how it is to be used. It’s kinda a PC-console hybrid.
something something quacks like a duck, swins like a duck, it’s a duck. The steam machine does
swim like a duckbehave like what is commonly referres to as a game console. The steamroller is debatable tho.The steam machine:
- Custom hardware
- Custom software and os
- Specifically designed to play games
- Has a dedicated controller
- Designed to work well with a living room TV (HDMI-CEC)
The only difference between the steam machine and other consoles is that it’s not locked down
i didnt know that Meta started selling Linux PCS /j
Wonder what percent is the chance you get it shipped with the CPU cooler plastic cover still attached
Aaand they’re more powerful for the same (or even lower) price. All the people saying you can’t build anything better than the Steam Machine for the same price have been awfully quiet these last few days. I guess the memes about Valve fanboys have some truth to them.
On the other hand, the Steam Machine is smaller and needs less power, so there’s that. I don’t know if anyone cares that much, but I can appreciate very small PCs.
Is needing less power a plus when talking about a gaming pc? The steam machine uses less power than the competition because they’ve kneecapped the SoC with power draw limits, limiting performance.
It’s not a major concern, or even a minor concern for most. But it’s still a plus. Less money spent on electricity bills (even if it’s a tiny amount), and less strain on the environment (even if it’s an even tinier difference).
And less performance.
I guess. But is anybody interested in the Steam Machine because of its performance? I’d be surprised if that was the case.
Can we just stop with the “these people have been awfully quiet the last few days”. Did you scour every location? Do you think people have nothing better to do than post the same shit all the time? This is some Facebook-level copium. Like when people feel they were justified when someone died or had complications due to the Covid vaccine and then people would say, “Where are all the supporters of it now…” Just stop.
SteamOS support for hardware is in beta support. https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-4227
Could other hardware work, sure. Potentially w/o issues. And yeah, it might be better in performance. But if issues crop up, is Meta PC going to resolve the problems? Is Meta going to contribute to SteamOS for driver support/bug fixes? If issues come up on the Steam Deck or Steam Machine… Valve are the ones you are going to address it, both hardware and software.
If you want to build your own machine, and run whatever OS on it, cool. Don’t try gatekeeping/shaming people because someone wants the vendors version.
1300 and only 16gb of ram and a GPU on par with a RTX 3060 / RX 6650 . Brutal.
Meanwhile you can walk into microcenter and pick up a 7500x3d with a 5060 for $999
5060 aint fast either, but it’s way faster than a 7600. $300 will let you upgrade easily to 32GB of ram, or you could sell the 5060 (they seem to be about 300-320 for completed fleabay listings) and take the saved $300 and buy a 9070xt or something which are $630 at MC. 4k gaming for $1300. PSU is 650W and should work fine.
$300 will let you upgrade easily to 32GB of ram
Where ya buying ya ram? I haven’t seen any 32GB packs for less than $380
It comes with 16, you only need to buy 16 more for 32.
so even if you want a matching pair it’s pretty close.
Im probably going to have to die with my 3060ti
I’m babying my 3090 like its the last GPU on earth. Undervolted, TDP way down, clockspeed capped, fans RUNNING.
Make sure you can get replacement fans before you abuse them
I can! It’s an EVGA FTW3.
Even if I couldn’t, it’s ducted to the side of an SFF case, so I could just disconnect them, wire the PWM lead from the GPU and use 120mm case fans.
The card rarely goes above 300W now and ingests ambient air, so the fans hardly spin up anyway.
EVGA, nice, all you needed to say haha
I wish they still made GPUs :(. Even an Intel Arc.
Hell, if they could somehow source 3090 dies, they’d make a killing selling them in this market, heh.
Does that actually shorten its lifespan? Aren’t GPUs made to run at full power without wear? (As long as they don’t overheat, but they thermal throttle before that)
Aren’t GPUs made to run at full power without wear?
That’s just textbook propaganda from hardware manufacturers.
They can say it because technically the change from cold to hot damages components… Not the actual heat… Afaik.
Also, thermal throttling tanks performance, especially in CPU’s. It causes massive hitching or even crashes.
9070xt will run circles around it for $630 or so.
There’s certainly CPU options out there for high fps gaming on ddr4 rigs, I just feel bad for the guys still on ddr3 who can’t eat the extra ~400 needed for a proper rig nowadays.
Yeah. X3D 5000-series will outrun many DDR5 CPUs in games.
I own Minisforum HX99g and it can be compared to SM and only costed me 800 eur 2 years ago. 6900hx and 6650m with 32gb ddr5.Today refurbished can go around 600eur.
You vant sleek small deevice for xhome livink room yuz? Van vid lots of kustom kvalitee ov layf featurz? Ve have Giant Generic Komputer! It even kome vid SAME operatink sistem!
Kome down to META PEESEE! Ve are not affillyated vid Meester Suckerberk.
You might be having a stroke. I know that I am now.
Do you want a sleek small device for home living room use? One with lots of custom quality of life features? We have a Giant Generic Computer! It even comes with the SAME operating system!
Come on down to META PC! We are not affiliated with Mr Zuckerberg
ER visit avoided
It is not eMachine, it is METAPC, a generic machine which is STEAM MACHINE. But no, not generic because we called it STEAMROLLER.
ROAR!
o7
Yknow, other than the 16GB RAM (reasonable given the situation), this aint that bad, for similar specs (Ryzen 5 7600, RX 6750 XT), I paid 1100€ at most two years ago
Of course, the rest of the components also matter, as well as the VRAM difference, but could be worse anyhow
I’ve never eaten into more than 10GB (including OS) with games. It’s not video editing.
7500x3d, 5060, similar specs other wise for 1k here at MC. I don’t think 1300 is a good deal.
I think 16gb of ram is fine, especially on linux
Not that it’s a bad thing, but did anyone ever offer something like Bazzite before?
OEMs were waiting for SteamOS because it shifts the OS support to Valve instead of DIY, but I wonder if anyone tried before SteamOS was ready.
Bazzite itself has an OS image specifically for handled PCs, and even desktop Bazzite has an option to boot into game mode basically “Big Picture mode”
They’ve had this for a while
I think he means if OEMs actually sold hardware with Bazzite on it.
Iirc there’s a pre built company that offers mint, but I haven’t seen anyone offer a gaming distro.
I can’t see the size listed anywhere, this is just a mini itx junk box.
From what I can tell, the PC in the image is built in the Jonsbo D32 PRO MESH Black, which is listed as “D396×W207×H314mm”. However, the META PCs page says it’s built in the Jonsbo D32 Black, which doesn’t quite exist (the Jonsbo D32 models are PRO Black, PRO MESH Black, and STD Black). Thankfully, they are all the same size and the only differences are the side panel (mesh vs glass) and whether or not it has a moveable spine for variable spacing (PRO vs STD).
Though, the META PCs website should really be more specific in their specs list.
On the bottom of the page it says preorder: 1300 dollars
Ahh yes the standard volumetric measurement of dollars.
The steam machine from valve is just a small form factor junk box.
Seems fine for most gamers… As others have said, Steam don’t make much profit on it, and the hardware isn’t bad.
Not everyone is playing 4K titles with raytracing. And when you start considering how quickly the cost of games adds up, steam ends up cheaper fairly quickly (I can’t imagine buying 300 games on PS5 lol)
The hardware is bad. It’s a power throttled bottom of the barrel GPU and CPU. It’s a 1080p30fps machine for anything other than indies, and for most AAA gaming it will need the atrocious FSR to even get to that.
It’s not upgradable either, so it’s not like you can just swap out the GPU or CPU for a better one later.
For a machine that’s targeting the living room, where most people who might consider buying this would be wanting to use it on a big 4K TV, they’ve made the worst possible performing machine for that use case.
I’m not sure how much of a console gamer you are, or how much you keep an eye on game prices, but almost every sale on steam for games that are on consoles happens on Xbox and PlayStation too. I know because I often have to choose between buying on Xbox or Steam when there’s a sale, and the Xbox version with play anywhere is the same price as the steam one so I usually buy the Xbox one.
@MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone Im guessing you went back and looked at the reviews you thought proved your point and saw you were mistaken? 🤣
The steam machine does not run cyberpunk over 60fps at ultra settings lol.
Yeah but it has the Steam logo on it. That’s worth $1000 by itself
From the comparison I saw valve is only making ~$71 per device which honestly isn’t that much of a premium for a pre-built mini pc
It doesn’t really matter how much profit they’re making on it, it’s a bad deal because every other comparable low end pc is upgradable whereas the steam machine isn’t.
There’s just no reason for a locked-hardware low-end device like the steam machine to exist. Why would anyone want a non-upgradable PC, when the reason people play on PC is for the upgradability?
I’m kinda surprised they don’t just sell it at cost. We knew they couldn’t subsidize the price with game sales, as anyone could buy this and install a different OS without ever buying a single steam game, but I kinda figured they’d bank on most people not doing that, hence selling at cost.
Maybe it’s just ~$71 margin for component costs to inflate further without the need for them to change the price.
well that didn’t take very long
Hey guys there’s a ram and storage prove gouching going on because of the AI bs. Hey guys here’s a pc with an open source OS re-built for 1,000$ each. Hey guys there will be a new model next year and they might even start a subscription service next year but you’ll all buy it anyways because the price point will seem better but you’ll all bitch about the subscription service…
Fuckin’ shit.
Where are you seeing that Valve is planning on making SteamOS a subscription service??
Are you high, friend? How is any of what you wrote related to SteamOS and the GabeCube?
Am now I actually wasn’t when I wrote that. I have like a fucked up first thing in the morning agitation psychosis thing and writing down bs replies makes it fun because then I do medically smoke cannabis see what I wrote and then delete it after laughing and saying fucking shit…
It’s kind of a wild ride.
It feels so needlessly aggressive. Valve openly stated that there are alternatives to the Steam Machine, and they aren’t trying to own the market. Calling your prebuilt the “Steamroller” is kind of a dickhead move. That’s like Del Taco coming out with a deep friend taco shell and calling it “Fuck your Chalupa, bitch.”
So I took it as rolling your own steam, not aggressive.
That’s not really how I read it. Clearly they are leveraging vale products, (steam is) so include steam in the name. They probably want this name to evoke strength and power, so what’s something with steam in the name that is powerful? A steamroller.
I don’t think it is meant to roll steam!
They specifically advertise it as an “upgradable alternative to the Steam Machine”; with that in mind, assuming the name isn’t intended to evoke comparisons to Steam Machine is kind of ridiculous, no?
I’m getting some white knighty wiffs from this outrage over someone daring to compete with valve.
Outrage? We’re just discussing it, mate…
Wild, the level of emotion some people extrapolate from text-based conversations
Eh, I see your point, but it feels pretty tongue-in-cheek to me. Steamroller is just a cool name that implies the thing is a workhorse.
I’m not sure I’d be able to order a “fuck your chalupa, bitch” with a straight face, but I’ll try.
They like it more when you giggle and order two
Remember literally any PC can run steam and Linux. Steam machine is still just hardware.
The Steam Machine also still has the advantage of HDMI CEC. Since none of the GPU manufacturers seem to want to bother with even on cards with HDMI ports.
A little bit more than just hardware, it’s also official support from Valve, who are also the creators and maintainers of both Steam and SteamOS. We’ll see how much that counts for, I think Valve doesn’t have a great reputation for their support.
Or, theres only so many ways you can make a punny name on Steam OS.
But of course that doesnt allow for righteous indignity.
What about making a spherical system and calling it the Steamcube?
I think it would get massive amounts of free advertising. Not sure if it would sell because I wouldn’t want it.
That’s like Del Taco coming out with a deep friend taco shell and calling it “Fuck your Chalupa, bitch.”
I would go to Del Taco right this moment if this were real.
What’s the problem with it, exactly? As long as it lives up to its promise and is a better machine, why shouldn’t they market it as a better machine or make direct comparisons?
It’s not even saying the steam one is bad, just that it is better.
dumb people have always bought crap. just because components are more expensive doesn’t change anything–a savvy computer user is always going to go for pre-built. i’d personally take out a loan before i bought a meta pc even if steep discounts are on the menu.
it also makes me think that all the conspiratorial talk is just talk. maybe all these companies are conspiring to raise prices so they can sell you garbage like this pathetic excuse for a pc.
but that doesn’t fit into the ‘all rich people are geniuses’ narrative. greed doesn’t require intelligence. even someone with an intense hunger and a 50 IQ is gonna try and put their hand into your burger king bag and swipe a fry or two.
I’m a bit confused by this comment. This computer is a better option than the steam machine.
Do you think that the Meta, as in Facebook meta, make this?
I have to ask, are META PCs affiliated in any way with Zuckerberg?
No. This company actually had a legal dispute with Meta when they rebranded from Facebook: https://www.the-sun.com/tech/3983498/facebook-meta-name-trademark-battle/
No, they are a completely separate company. They have a YouTube channel as well, and I find their YouTube Shorts videos quite entertaining and informative.
Yeah, unfortunate naming if you ask me. “Meta” is just tainted by the zuck now.
just a makeshift
Look at how humanish he is.
I regret seeing this.
