Dictatorship might seem appealing while democracy is failing, but we should never give up on democracy in exchange for safety and stability.
China has democracy. Just not bourgeois liberal democracy. The Chinese political system is based on whole-process people’s democracy, a form of consultative democracy. The local levels are directly elected, and then these representatives from around the country elect people to higher rungs, meaning any candidate at the top level must have worked their way up from the bottom and directly proved themselves. Also due to the nature of things the vast majority of representatives are among those directly elected by the people. You should research things before you just say things. And we’re very happy with our system. Even Harvard puts the approval rating around 95%.

Polls in authoritarian countries are notoriously more positive about own countries than in democratic ones due to insane amount of propaganda (yes, even compared to US). In which next country do we di polls next - Russia or North Korea?
So we’re just too subhuman and brainwashed to answer a Harvard poll about our thoughts correctly?
“Umm they’re they Bad Country sweaty you can’t trust the people there. Just like the other Bad Countries!”
You are a political toddler and the fact that you don’t understand this while our side diddles kids and bombs elementary schools is insane
You are just privileged idealist disappointed in your own system so you try to latch on something completely opposite in order to belong somewhere. I have experienced living under one of those systems and fleeing it to one of the “West Bad!” countries. I am both envious that you didn’t have to go through this and pitying you that eventually you will be disappointed in your new “Good Country” choice
Lol what an amazing self report on how your psychology works, you petty little man. Pure team sports contrarianism, no analysis. I would feel bad for you if you weren’t so desperate to ignore reality in favor of regurgitating propaganda
Lmao you’re another one of the post soviet 20 something’s who think shock therapy was communism’s fault. Or you’re a reactionary who fled because you’re a right wing loser either way it explains your white man’s burden chauvinism.
“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”
Blackshirts and Reds, Michael Parenti
China is capitalism, they even have mock elections
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the US is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and that people still fail to see that after the epstein files is actually shocking
While this is true
To be fair, you didn’t pick ubiased authors here. Neither of the authors is capable of saying anything negative of China.
For example, Paweł Wargan proponent of new Chinese imperialisms with extra steps - e.g. https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/global/multi-polar-world-order-is-multi-imperialism/
Trotskyists failing to understand Lenin’s Imperialism for the 1000th time.
Imperialism is the stage of Capitalism where a militaristic foreign policy is developed and employed as a continuation of economic policy.
China is not doing imperialism because it trades with other nations and helps them build infrastructure and factories in win-win negotiations. When was the last time China got a trade deal or negotiated settlement because it pointed a load of guns and missiles at its potential trade partner?
Just childish and pathetic both sides-ism of the social fascists.
When was the last time China got a trade deal or negotiated settlement because it pointed a load of guns and
~1950.
Imperialism is the stage of Capitalism where a militaristic foreign policy is developed and employed as a continuation of economic policy.
Same book - “socialist in words, imperialist in deeds”? But that doesn’t really matter, as you’re just gonna cherry pick other Lenin quotes at me like if its the Bible. Or call me names.
Nonetheless, I highly recommend the article I linked - but since it might paint a picture that you’re unable to comprehend (or unwilling to entertain), you will of course not read it.
Edit: and if you don’t like that source, here’s another fav of mine https://spectrejournal.com/one-should-not-camouflage-capitalist-and-imperialist-china-as-socialist/.
The slogan “oppose all equally” may sound revolutionary in its refusal to compromise, but detached from dialectical and historical materialism it collapses into abstract moralism that objectively serves the very hegemony it claims to reject. Dialectics teaches us that not all contradictions are identical, and that the principal contradiction must guide our strategic orientation. To declare neutrality between an empire that maintains eight hundred overseas bases, controls the global financial infrastructure, and routinely overthrows governments, and states that merely seek to weaken that empire’s stranglehold, is not principled internationalism. It is a refusal to analyze the concrete balance of forces, and in practice it aids the stronger power by dispersing opposition and denying tactical support to forces that, however imperfectly, challenge the core of imperialist domination. This abstract stance upholds capitalist hegemony by ensuring that resistance remains fragmented and that the most powerful aggressor faces no coordinated counter-pressure. Lenin criticized this kind of centrism as the highest form of opportunism because it cloaks passivity in revolutionary phraseology. Scientific socialism requires us to engage with actually existing struggles, to distinguish between the hand that wields the whip and the hand that seeks to break it, and to build proletarian independence within anti-hegemonic movements rather than abstaining from them in the name of purity. To do otherwise is not to stand above imperialism but to leave its structure intact.
The comparison of contemporary China to Weimar Germany seeking a “place under the sun” is not merely imprecise; it is fundamentally ahistorical because it transplants categories from one historical epoch onto a completely different material and geopolitical conjuncture. Weimar Germany operated within a world order defined by colonial scramble, pre-nuclear military technology, and the absence of any binding international legal framework constraining territorial conquest. Its mode of production was monopoly capitalism in crisis, with a bourgeois state increasingly fused with fascist political forms, driven by the imperative to seize colonies for raw materials and markets through direct coercion. The superstructure of that era reflected this: social Darwinist ideology, overt racial hierarchy, and a diplomatic culture that accepted war as a legitimate instrument of policy. Contemporary China exists in a post-1945 world shaped by the UN Charter’s nominal commitment to sovereignty, the constraining reality of nuclear deterrence, and a dense network of multilateral institutions that, however imperfect, raise the political cost of overt aggression. Its mode of production retains some of the contradictions as is expected in the socialist transitionary period, grounded in public ownership of the commanding heights of the economy, the leading role of the Communist Party, and a development logic subordinated to long-term social stability rather than the short-term maximization of monopoly profit. The superstructure reflects this: an ideological framework centered on “community of shared future for mankind,” non-interference principles, and South-South cooperation rather than civilizational hierarchy. When China engages the Global South through infrastructure investment and trade partnerships, it does so within a historical context where former colonies possess sovereign statehood and can negotiate terms, however unevenly. This is not to deny contradictions. It is to insist that historical materialism demands we analyze the concrete social formation before us, not force it into an abstract analogy that ignores the vast differences in geopolitical structure, productive forces, class relations, and ideological superstructure that separate the interwar period from the twenty-first century. To do otherwise is to abandon the method that allows us to understand history as a process of material development rather than a cycle of repeating labels.
The concept of “social imperialism” as applied to China and Russia in this context is not just analytically weak; it is politically absurd because it detaches the label from any concrete examination of how value actually flows through the global economy. To claim that a state is imperialist simply because it engages in international trade, invests in infrastructure abroad, or seeks to protect its sovereign interests is to empty the term of all scientific content and reduce it to a sectarian slur. This misuse of theory reflects the deeper problem of Trotskyism as a reactionary and ultra-leftist tendency that substitutes dogmatic formulae for materialist analysis. Lenin warned against the “infantile disorder” of communism, and this article exemplifies it perfectly: a refusal to engage with the messy contradictions of actually existing struggle in favor of a pure, abstract schema that exists only in textbooks. This approach worships the letter of Marxist theory while abandoning its living soul, applying quotations like incantations rather than using dialectics to grasp the movement of real historical forces. By demanding that anti-imperialist movements be led by perfectly conscious proletarian forces before they deserve support, Trotskyism isolates revolutionaries from the masses they seek to lead and objectively strengthens the hand of the principal enemy. It is reactionary because it blocks the formation of united fronts against hegemony, dismisses the genuine anti-colonial content of multipolarity demands, and substitutes moral denunciation for the patient work of building working-class independence within actually existing movements. Scientific socialism requires us to start from material conditions, not from doctrinal purity, and to recognize that the path to revolution runs through the concrete contradictions of our time, not through the abstract categories of a frozen orthodoxy.
All the errors traced through this critique flow from a single, foundational break: the abandonment of dialectical and historical materialism as the method of scientific socialism. When analysis begins with abstract categories like “imperialist” or “social-imperialist” applied mechanically, rather than with a concrete examination of production relations, class forces, and historical specificity, the conclusions are predetermined by the schema, not discovered through investigation. This is why the article collapses distinct social formations into a false equivalence, why it substitutes moral denunciation for strategic assessment, and why its prescription of “oppose all equally” becomes a sterile formula that objectively upholds the hegemony it claims to fight. Scientific socialism does not proceed by labeling but by uncovering the movement of contradictions within actually existing conditions. Multipolarity is not an end-state to be celebrated or condemned in the abstract; it is a contradictory terrain shaped by the struggle between hegemonic capital and sovereign development, within which class struggle must be advanced. Our task is not to stand outside this terrain in doctrinal purity but to engage it, to build proletarian independence within anti-hegemonic movements, and to push the logic of multipolarity beyond bourgeois limits toward genuine internationalism. To do that, we must return to the method that makes our politics scientific: the concrete analysis of concrete conditions, rooted in the living dialectic of historical materialism. Anything else is not Marxism, but book worship dressed in revolutionary phraseology.
The slogan “oppose all equally” may sound revolutionary in its refusal to compromise, but detached from dialectical and historical materialism it collapses into abstract moralism that objectively serves the very hegemony it claims to reject.
Yes! Say it louder for the people in the back. Even some well meaning western marxists really struggle with this, because it touches on their privilege.
They’re both bad…
how many bombs has China dropped in the last 20 years?
Yeah USA is terrible. Being better than USA is not a high threshold. China is still a terrible country:
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/china
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/east-asia/china/report-china/
Again, how many bombs is that?
China is good actually.
Ooooh, you forgot to say ‘Um, Actually…’ so we cannot award you the point. Any other toddlers posing as anarchists can buzz in now to steal.
And now for the final question of our game which always pertains to real life skills. Buzz in if you can find the incorrect part of this statement: “Developing an accurate view of the world is difficult if you don’t have a method to verify information. One surefire way to know what’s going on thousands of miles away is to trust anonymous sources and NGOs at their word when they tell you through western mass media and without any proof that our adversaries are doing evil things.”
Um actually, you shouldn’t rely on the media, and you should just assume every geopolitical rival of the US is evil based on nothing.
Behold the peak of liberal geopolitical analysis
I mean maybe it’s just an American values thing but I actually don’t think scientists are as bad as Epstein associates.
Scientists are much better than paedophiles like Trump obviously. But China is run by murderers and criminals:
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/china
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/east-asia/china/report-china/
Both states are awful.
Wow, that was hard.
What is your example of a ‘good’ one?
The United States of America just assisted in carrying out a genocide.
China has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty through progressive economic policies.
Please tell me, specifically, why “both states are awful.”
Hell yeah! All states are awful, bed time is authoritarian, and green vegetables are fascist.
God I would hate to have my life expectancy doubled, truly evil shit
Dumb and wrong
Lol. Sorry, one is absolutely perfect and must not have any problems spoken about. Let’s do some more you vs us bullshit (not that I am from either).
Do you think, perhaps, that there could be a middle ground between “as awful as the US Empire” and “absolutely perfect and must not have any problems spoken about?” Do you think the position “US Empire is awful, China is good but not perfect” can exist, or is that too nuanced?
Has anyone ever said that on ml! You may the the most flexible commenter here!
Literally every day. You guys, on the other hand, have to pretend not to see it because actually engaging with actual criticism (like you pretend to care about) would be devastating to your stunted worldview.
No, I want to see it. I hate the needless wars and aggression. Dictatorships, genocide, ethnicity restrictions, forced labour, natural desolation for coin/convenience, etc.
No superpowers are immune from committing these crimes.
It is my mistake to comment on the ml propaganda site though.
Yes, US is uniquely bad though, but i don’t need to say that, it’s obvious
Cynical lip service that isn’t reflected in your actual politics
Sweeping declarative statements divorced from any analysis beyond idle chin tapping
Crying victim when your hostile shit behavior isn’t fawned over
I don’t think anyone has maintained the position that China is perfect on Lemmy.ml. Defending China from overstated or false allrgations does not mean there are no problems, and the existence of problems does not mean most are not being actively worked on.
Lol you’re doing the angry 12 year old thing of throwing up your hands and going “Oh so China must be an absolute perfect heaven on earth, huh?!”
That’s the commentary you folk give give though. Every post is US bad, any knows issues with cha are lies
Now you’re doing the 12 year old “This thing I’m doing is actually what you’re doing”.
Sounds very familiar here
Lol bro i am begging you to at least act 13
Being wrong takes no effort.
Do not confuse Technocracy with Socialism. While Chinese Technocracy is Socialist, Technocracy alone can be a massive problem.

China is still the world’s leading polluter, in a time where those so-called “scientists” most definitely know what they’re doing contributing to global climate change like they are. No country is innocent, but making no attempt to not be first isn’t a defensible policy position.
China is the world’s biggest emitter of carbon gases**
Yeah, because it’s the second-largest population in the world and it’s producing & exporting the world’s products. You don’t get to de-industrialize, import your products, and then chastise your producers for using more energy than you, when they’re using that energy for you.
China is also the largest green energy user and producer of green energy technology, which it also exports.
The Economist: China’s clean-energy revolution will reshape markets and politics
ROFL. Stow the faux benevolence. It’s nonsense. Nobody is acting out of the goodness of their hearts in a capitalist transaction. They’re choosing to pollute instead of choosing to do other things. That’s not for anyone’s benefit but their own. The long-term consequences are so well-understood that only the extremely selfish are optimizing for the short-term.
China’s choice to build a national highway system instead of a national railway system wasn’t done with ecological concerns as the priority. They’re, again, choosing to pollute more purely because of the short-run benefit instead of doing something else that optimizes for humanity’s collective benefit.
So weird how the supposedly collectivist country isn’t acting in all of our best interest. Communism is an idea so good that they’ll silence you forever if you disagree.
ROFL. Stow the faux benevolence
Go back to Reddit
instead of
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Anything possible when you make shit up 🤷
Meanwhile in the real world:
You’re losing


lol hong kong
Edit: if your best meme and viral defense of china is “america bad”, then it’s not good enough lmao
Edit: downvoting but not refuting? 😔 shocker
It’s good that Hong Kong is no longer a British colony.
Is it also good that citizens were brutalized for protesting?
Nope that’s bad. Cops hurting protesters is bad even when the protesters are wrong.
Less bad than the wrong protesters getting their way and Hong Kong staying a colony of the UK…but still bad, for sure.
Right… that’s what the protests were over. They were still a colony and not an autonomous zone with a local government which cooperated with the national government. They were protesting to stay a colony. 100%
Edit: how about everyone stops lying and just presents good faith arguments instead of easily dismissed attempts at conflating reality with some westerncentric fantasy.
Edit2: btw “harm reduction is okay and makes up for everything when it’s MY authoritarian camp perpetuating violence against innocents!”
Edit3: “our atrocities are justifiable because they serve the greater good! 🤓”
I love the smell of false dichotomy in the morning. Smells like… propaganda
I’m tired of being surrounded by propaganda. Do better.
Tell that to your pedophile rulers
we do
lmao the fuck you do
Once I stop reading “two things can be true at once” whenever your nazi pedophile rulers tell you something bad about the next country they want to destroy maybe I’ll believe you
Americans are protesting in historic numbers regularly. Larger than anything aside from the earth day protests that I am aware of. This narrative that Americans are rolling over and accepting this is false. It’s not being reported.
Of course that’s not enough l, but it’s counterproductive to spread information that contributes to a sense of learned helplessness. Trump is a traitor and a serial child rapist and murder, and all true Americans believe this and are fighting however they can.
You don’t do jack shit
@Amnesigenic @ChadGPT2 They do shit, inc Jack. And Pete.
Cool story
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p4M-Prike98
Denver, traffic lights made to say Trump is a pedophile etc
But maybe you thinking of other kinda shi ppl should be doin? Do share, we need all hands on deck in this global clusterfuck 🤍🌸🕊️
Congrats, you’ve raised awareness! Unfortunately everyone is already 100% aware of the problem so this is useless performative bullshit
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This may counter propaganda, but is also clearly propaganda itself.
Propaganda is just messaging, there’s nothing inherently evil about it. The question is what message is being propagated.
China executes pedophiles and America elects them and worships at their churches. It’s really not a complicated comparison. There is no gotcha here
Maybe both countries should stop executing people given that a non-negligible number of them are entirely innocent. Maybe capital punishment should have been abandoned long before the 21st Century and any country that continues it be a pariah state.
Literally anything that causes an idea to spread is propaganda. Advertising, calls for help, gossip, commentary, analysis, storytelling, hell public art or theater or even just public conflict. That’s what the word means, the means of idea propagation.
Absolutely, that’s my point.
So calling anything propaganda is pointless, because everything is propaganda.
Exactly. And saying this meme is counter-propaganda is pointless, since it itself is propaganda.
Ok, sure. It’s exactly as propaganda as anything else
Democracy is only as good as the voters. The average Chinese is better educated and a better citizen overall than the average USAmerican. Thus the difference in results. My experience with Chinese and USAians confirm this, even if anecdotal. I could have just missed the bad Chinese and was overexposed to bad USAians.
Also bourgeois/liberal democracy is the quintessence of adopting democratic aesthetics, forms, and language without any actual democratic function. No one can vote according to their interests, and no one’s votes actually influence policy.
The reason most modern imperialist states have evolved their own form of liberal democracy is because of how effective it is at mediating domestic capitalist contradictions so they can be externalized.
If the US were somehow a true functional democracy it would have evolved beyond capitalism decades ago.
“To decide once every few years which member of the ruling class is to repress and crush the people through parliament - such is the real essence of bourgeois parliamentarianism, not only in parliamentary-constitutional monarchies, but also in the most democratic republics.”
― Vladimir Lenin, The State and Revolution
Democracy is only as good as the voters.
I wouldn’t know. I’ve never lived in one.
Western liberal democracies are structurally flawed, and despite the immense systemic advantage capital already enjoys, capital still needs to manipulate education, religion, and media to persuade people to vote against their own material interests. The result is a political landscape that, in many cases, produces outcomes more dysfunctional than those seen in some modern monarchies or even historic feudal systems—yet with the added disadvantage that many citizens remain unaware of their own diminished political and economic conditions, convinced they live in the freest societies on earth and that everything elsewhere must be worse. Concluding such a system is not truly democratic, or merely a democracy of the bourgeoisie is a valid conclusion, because whether systematic or through manipulation of education, religion and media, they are the only ones who benefit from it, and the majority have no means of getting what they want.
I know you already know this. This comment was meant for any lurker who doesn’t know. The people who think they are one election away from fixing the system if they would only voter harder.
Yay politics in my memes again.
Lotta comments from accounts a few days old, or with less than 50 comments in several years. Interesting.
But I was told by Piefed and MoG that Tankies infiltrate every community!! Why would they project?!
They can both be bad.

They aren’t, though. China is a rising socialist state, and the US is a dying, brutal empire run be pedophiles and fascists.
Lol ty
Is that a real photo in the bottom? Fucking incredible if it is.
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