The Hungarian prime minister concedes to Péter Magyar, who is set to win a supermajority in the 199-seat parliament.

The Hungarian prime minister concedes to Péter Magyar, who is set to win a supermajority in the 199-seat parliament.

  • pjwestin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    22 days ago

    Been thinking a lot about the, “you can’t vote your way out if this,” doomer leftists today.

      • pjwestin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        22 days ago

        Agreed, but I see a lot of supposed leftists that seem like they just want to do the first one.

        • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
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          22 days ago

          You know there isn’t an entrance exam right? There is plenty of people that want to charge the Bastille, just because they claim to be on the left doesn’t mean that they speak for the majority, or even the minority, it’s often just their view.

          But it does become very irritating when even the left wing options seems to be quite right wing. I can totally see why people become disenfranchised. I don’t think there’s ever a point in not voting, it can never hurt, but it also might not help if that’s all your prepared to do.

          Even the Pope says that it is not enough to simply say you have prayed, you also have to act.
          Which is probably the first and last time I’ll ever agree with anything the Pope says.

    • Jhex@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      22 days ago

      another far right candidate won… coming from the same party originally

      Hungary went from lime to lemon… don’t get me wrong, this is a tiny hint forward but by no means is Hungary “out”

      • kopasz7@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        22 days ago

        Right wing? It is smack in the center.

        The tisza party has published their policy plans. (full version pdf: https://magyartisza.hu/program)

        Here are the left-wing ones:

        Economic Justice and Redistribution

        Reduce minimum wage tax from 15% to 9%.
Lower income tax for workers earning below the median wage.
Tax the super-rich with a 1% annual wealth tax on assets over 1 billion HUF.
Cut VAT on firewood, healthy food, and prescription medicines.

        Expanded Social Safety Net

        Double family allowances, maternity support, and childcare benefits.
Guarantee a minimum pension of 120,000 HUF per month.
Provide "Pensioner SZÉP Cards" with up to 200,000 HUF in annual support.
Increase home care fees by 50% for family caregivers.
Give a "Newborn Kit" worth 50,000 HUF to every baby.

        Labor and Public Sector Support

        Increase pay by 25% for social sector and educational assistants.
Strengthen union rights and rebuild national social dialogue.
Enforce equal pay for equal work between men and women.

        Public Goods and Equality

        Establish independent ministries for Healthcare and Education.
Maintain tuition-free first university degrees.
Build social rental housing and more student dormitories.
End period poverty by providing free hygiene products in state schools.
Fund Roma integration through school buses and new scholarships.

        State-Led Public Services

        Nationalize debt enforcement and make it non-profit.
Take over company liquidations to ensure a non-profit, transparent process
      • lostbit@feddit.nlEnglish
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        22 days ago

        right wing has a lot if colors. He’s far from a republican right wing extremist

      • pjwestin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        22 days ago

        True, and I don’t mean to imply that Hungary will magically be transformed into a thriving democracy as soon as Orbàn is out. It’s gonna take years to rebuild the judiciary alone, and we’ll see how committed Maygar is to restoring inconvenient aspects of democracy like press freedom and fair elections. Still, Hungary took the first step towards reestablishing democracy by voting, and I’m getting tired of hearing how voting doesn’t work from people who’s only political activities are sharing the, “You’re Finished,” meme and telling people to read theory.

        • Jhex@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          22 days ago

          I agree with you even if I have been a doom and gloom person as of late.

          I agree that voting is important even if rigged… writing to your representatives is important even if they wipe their asses with your letters… we all must continue to enact the “normal” strategies while also considering extraordinary ones!

          • pjwestin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            22 days ago

            Agreed. Until there is an open Civil War, voting will be important, as well as protests and general strikes.

      • Logi@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        22 days ago

        He’s mostly been described as centre right, but we’ll see. If he’s not beholden to Russia and not massively corrupt, then that’s a huge step. If they then undo the damage done by Orbán to the constitution and institutions of Hungary, then there will be a way forward.

    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      22 days ago

      thing is, you’re comparing to america. America can’t vote their way out of their situation because the whole system is set up to prevent it, it would take decades of dedicated work to undo the conditioning of the populace and start making it even remotely feasible for an actual good candidate to be elected.

      Now, that’s not to say that america can’t vote their way out of things on a local level, that’s actually one of the best bets available to them, but still even then Zohran’s victory in NYC (which by all accounts was kind of revolutionary) was only with him getting 50% of votes. The democrats did everything they could to keep a notorious sexual harasser in power instead.

      • chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        22 days ago

        Orban absolutely rigged the system against voting out of their situation. And they’re not there yet, either. This vote was the first step, but they’ve overcome a huge hurdle.

      • pjwestin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        22 days ago

        Well, first of all, no I’m not just talking about America. There are tons of leftists on here who argue that voting is hopeless any time an authoritarian rises to power, and seem to believe the only solution is a violent revolution that they are not planning (not that I’m trying to bait anyone into fed-posting, but I doubt the people spending 16 hours a day debating Neo-Marxism versus Anarchist Communism are also forming a militia).

        Second of all, you’re saying that the American system is set up to prevent voting out fascism, but what you’re describing is learned helplessness, not institutional restrictions. Learned helplessness is powerful, but I’m rapidly seeing it being unlearned since Trump took office. Republicans who’ve been ignoring economic issues for identity politics suddenly seem sick of hearing about wokeness. Liberal wine moms who held up, “But her emails,” signs in 2017 want Chuck Schumer’s blood. The other day I saw the fucking Mueller She Wrote account slamming Dick Durbin for saying, “reform,” ICE instead, “abolish.”

        In terms of the institutions, there are a lot of measures against direct democracy that make reforms more difficult, but the structure of our elections have huge advantages. The constitution gives power of our federal elections squarely with the states, which is why Trump is having so much trouble rigging the elections. His current plan seems to be, “send ICE to intimidate voters,” and based on Minneapolis, that’s not an effective strategy.

        Even the bigger obstacles are mostly imaginary. Congressional gridlock can easily be overcome by leadership willing to abolish the filibuster. Supreme Court members can be impeached, and the Court can be expanded by Congress. There are institutional, Democratic solutions to this, we just have to stop pretending they’re too difficult.

    • Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf
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      22 days ago

      He was in power for 16 consecutive years before voting finally changed shit.

    • Aatube@piefed.socialEnglish
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      22 days ago

      anti-electoralism is fully compatible with harm reduction, meaning it’s not that you shouldn’t vote but you shouldn’t rely on it, shouldn’t think it’s the only way forward, shouldn’t stop you from mutual aid and organizing instead of campaigning for some person

      there are anti-electoralists plenty who don’t believe in harm reduction though, of course, and I agree with you on that

      • pjwestin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        22 days ago

        I agree that you shouldn’t rely on elections alone, and mutual aid/community organizing are a huge part of any resistance to authoritarianism. I’m mostly criticizing leftists who claim (or at least imply) that violence is the only possible resistance to a authoritarians.

        I really believe that we are capable of turning back the tide of authoritarianism through the levers of democracy. When South Korean politicians scaled the fence around Parliament to vote down martial law, I fully expected the President and military to ignore them, but it worked for them, and it could work for us. If we continue to excise weak-willed centrists from the Democratic party and show Republicans that authoritarian rule will not be tolerated (as the people of Minnesota did), I really believe we can dismantle American fascism with our current institutions. (Dismantling the oligarchy and strengthening those institutions will be a longer, harder battle, but I think clearing out the current fascist regime is well within our immediate grasp.)

    • Aetherial@nord.pubEnglish
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      22 days ago

      Explain how to vote out the elements that brought Orban to power. You can’t. They’ll continue to exist under the new regime and do whatever they can to undermine. Also, Musk can meddle whenever he feels it is beneficial to him. Can’t vote him out either.

      • MrShankles@reddthat.comEnglish
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        22 days ago

        So “voting is irrelevant”, the (less than) two-day-old account implies

        Seriously, can we have a “cool-down” period, between registering an account and posting a comment? It’s not a perfect solution, but fuck… it might make shit like this less persistent. One should at least have to work/lurk for it; my fucking god these divisive comments from brand new accounts are pathetic

            • Aetherial@nord.pubEnglish
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              21 days ago

              Oh, you think I’m a bot. How amusing! More illustration of my point exactly. I am confounded how you Americane let yourselves cede discernment for material wealth but hey… don’t listen to me. I’m just a bot.

              • MrShankles@reddthat.comEnglish
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                21 days ago

                Hey ‘just a bot’

                What’s the point that you say I’m illustrating? Honestly? I have ignorance that I strive to eliminate; What am I missing that you’re trying to say?

                I claimed your <2 day old account is advocating the “pointless-ness of voting”, and being divisive (about people electing a 16 year power out of office). You said my comment “illustrated your point”, and ended your comment with a clown emoji (insinuating I’m a clown… for???)

                What is your point that I illustrated? ELI5

                • Aetherial@nord.pubEnglish
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                  20 days ago

                  tl;dr

                  I’m going to go put my cock in a meat grinder now, but just in case you forget between the punctuation, American culture is a malignant cancer and it’s the reason TRUMP IS YOUR KING HOW. You continuing to reply with proves my point. It’s the most goddamn American thing you could do, aside from act befuddled and innocent, also an American parlor trick that doesn’t work anymore. You people just have to be the period on every sentence and assert your will rather than take an L or consider your “point of view” is wayward from global consensus. The uselessness of trying to vote cancer out should be well obvious. But as expected, the naivety reigns in Jesuland. Have fun with your “protest$” and shit. Let me know when you start building an actual coalition like Canada did right before they set fire to the White House.

  • sober_monk@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    22 days ago

    This post has been on the top of my home feed all day and it brought a smile to my face every time I opened Lemmy lol

    • orbitz@lemmy.caEnglish
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      22 days ago

      He’s propped up by Peter Thiel which should make people worry, if he was a tiny bit effective…maybe he is and there a big grand scheme at work but I don’t think Maga will rally behind him.

      Course I don’t the ins and outs of their opinions beyond racist good and being accepting is bad. I hope the gas prices sink them, as horrible as a tiny thing his stance on things. I’m sure Thiel can afford a new lackey and has some ready to bring up. Hell he probably planned for that, Vance is so bland that he’s probably only there to make a case but not accomplish much.

      • 6stringringer@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        22 days ago

        Well that’s quite the Brodown now isn’t it? This sauce just got a little thicker. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmmm ( Samuel L. Jackson inner voice) C’mon, let us have some more please. Can’t really make this sort of stuff up without a pretty damn good barometer & heading on it all.

    • artifex@piefed.socialEnglish
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      22 days ago

      He visits, the old pope dies. He visits, your entire political party is marginalized. Frankly if I were a world leader I’d want to stay as far the hell away from JD Vance as possible.

      Actually, as just a regular Joe I’d * also * like to stay as far the hell away from JD Vance as possible.

  • zabadoh@ani.socialEnglish
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    22 days ago

    Great, now put Orban in prison for his crimes against democracy so he can’t come back.

    • Dicska@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      22 days ago

      Magyar is just proposing a modification of the constitution (well, it’s not literally called the constitution, but imagine something similar) so that nobody can be the prime minister for more than 2 terms.

  • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    22 days ago

    I was very unsure that Orban hadn’t rigged the election, and Hungary would become like Belarus.
    I am so relieved to see that democracy worked in Hungary, despite Orban controlling most of the media.

    • huppakee@piefed.socialEnglish
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      22 days ago

      He controls the media in Hungary, but foreign media showed Trump, Putin and Netanyahu supporting him and suddenly everybody realised he sucks and shouldn’t be trusted.

    • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      22 days ago

      I bet they were rigged, just not enough.

      He sent meat and wine packages to people to buy their votes, control the media and more. Sure is a big relief 😮‍💨

      • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        21 days ago

        Yes I saw the unpacking of such a box. Looked pretty nice actually. But you’d have to be pretty stupid to fall for it. So IDK if it had any effect.

        • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          21 days ago

          If you’re a poor farmer not caring for politics… Maybe it’d swing a couple of them from one side to another. Or its like the pizza party at work 😅