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    Modern geology was started by 18th century Christians seeking actual proof of the Flood. Unlike today when beliefs are challenged and the claimant doubles down or makes up facts, those Christians followed the data and discovered a much older Earth in the rocks they explored. And it got older as we learned more.

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    "he commented on Yelp, while pushing the crucifix deeper in his sensitive cavity.

    “The Lord speaks through me now.” he thought.

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    Maybe we should start reviewing churches the same way: Nice church but the guy at the front was talking funny about his imaginary friend… Only two stars.

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        The priest clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Matthew 6:5-6 states “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.”. One star for not obeying the Bible.

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          This right here. If you’re going to post a review of a church, review them based on how their actions conflict with what they claim to believe.

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          You are not wrong but Jesus wasn’t against group prayer, he intended on building a church a few pages later

          Matthew 16:18

          And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

          You should have referenced a couple of pages after that where he has something direct to say about preachers

          Matthew 23:8-12

          “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

          Jesus had some pretty rad opinions even if his reasoning was often flaky

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            And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

            Peter was demonstrably a superstitious idiot throughout the gospels. Jesus was just letting us all know what kind of people would be in charge of the organized religions with his name on them.

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            Matthean Jesus is cut your balls off for god levels of wild.

            I’m not sure one can just pick lines out of random Gospels as ‘what Jesus said’, the US got really weird with that a while back with a red letter 4 gospel meme thing going viral.

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              I’m not sure one can just pick lines out of random Gospels as ‘what Jesus said’,

              That’s literally how Christianity works. I don’t know of any denomination that follows the entire Bible exactly. It’s not even possible because the text is self-contradictory in places.

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                contradiction kinda the point, there’s four gospels even just in the mainline canon

                if one can’t cope with contradictions there is little point in even attempting to approach scripture

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                Red letters bibles were meme’ing hard in the US before the 1970’s but the 70’s is where memetics pops up as a theory afair.

                A bit like apples were falling before Newton figured out it’s because we live in a clockwork universe.

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            Yes, sure, he’s a little flaky. But God is just so perfect, all loving, and timeless…

            Exodus 21:20-21:

            Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

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      More importantly, if your faith is having an effect on policy… guess what, your religion must now start paying taxes.

      Why should the rest of us pay for your idiotic ideas that are now turning into policy and law.

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        That would gladly pay the taxes if it means they get to force their religion on people. They already openly.defy election law by endorsing candidates and "vote yes on prop 66” statements during services, inviting prosecution because they expect to win in court.

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          I mean, if people understand “no taxation without representation” well, then logically: “no representation without taxation” should be equally easy to get behind.

          They are already in our politics, may as well get them to pay for that privilege.

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    Oh god, there are soo many easy ways out of a literal interpretation of the bible…time isn’t the same for God, etc.

    Lead can’t exist in a 7000 year timeframe…

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      Hand-waving it all away is their superpower. Hon, with “The Lord™”, all things are possible. Even lead in a 7,000 year time frame.

      Not to mention that most of them consider science to be suspicious and wouldn’t have even the remotest idea of what lead has to do with anything. Even if you tried to explain it like you’d explain to a 5 year old, they would not get it. Partially because they aren’t capable, but partially because they don’t want to get it.

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        I like next-Tuesdayism. The universe will be created next Tuesday, in the exact state it will be then. What you think you’re experiencing now is the false memory that will have existed once the universe exists.

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    Been to Mammoth cave quite a few times, and there is usually one or two in every group unfortunately.

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      I have also toured Mammoth Cave with people who want to challenge the science with their young-earth creationist claims.

      Obviously, the tour guides get that a lot, because at least two different ones basically said, “You’re welcome to your religious beliefs, but here at Mammoth Cave we follow the empirical scientific evidence that shows …”

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      Counterpoint, Next Thursdayism, reality doesn’t exist yet and your memory of reading this was manufactured at the moment of creation to try to convince you it had already happened.

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        It’s not…impossible…we can’t really describe what “consciousness” is. How do we know the universe doesn’t explode and restore-from-savestate every 10 seconds, and we just keep on meeking through blisfully unaware?

        You ever read “Timeline”, by Michael Crichton? Not exactly his best book…and definitely not his best movie (unless you’re the type to swoon for Paul Walker, in which case…alright). But in it they talk about time travel and compare it to a fax machine, except the original is ‘destroyed’. What “goes back in time” is actually a carbon copy, a clone. I think it was Timeline, at least.

        It’s probably been brought up countless other times in Sci-Fi as well. Probably dozens just in Star Trek alone. But I’m not much of a sci-fi buff. But I think about that every time teleportation, or time-travel, or even cloning, like in “The 6th Day”, shows up in stories.

        But ultimately, the particles get destroyed, meaning the entire body gets destroyed, so with it, the consciousness. So really, you must die every time you teleport, or time-travel, or whatever, right? But you’re completely unaware of it. You’re just a new copy, destroyed and re-assembled. A person of Theseus. Lights out on one side, lights on on the other.

        But…like, lights out is lights out, right?

        Maybe I’m just stoned. What are we talking about again?

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    Technically, neither side can prove our experiential realities are procedurally generated because for all we know CERN is the equivalent of Mario and Luigi smashing Bob-ombs together. Meditation leads to some insights though, such as how important intention is in the entanglement process of the mind. Whether this entanglement process is Karma and results in the procedural generation of each of our realities is up for debate, and personally I don’t want to debate someone who won’t do their own experiments to know what I’m talking about.

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      You could have used a lot less words to say “I understand absolutely nothing about physics, especially the meaning of the word ‘entanglement.’”

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        I understand the mind and consciousness.

        Simply, if String A is entangled with String B but not String C, then AB is true and AC is false. Further, these entanglements can möbiate, or defile themselves as the Buddhists say, meaning they can store a half-twist in each entanglement, and this is what creates dualistic dichotomy and thus is the foundation of all illusions of having a self.

        Are you a “self?” Are you still stuck on that?

        Additionally, the logic structures that form can create nested categories, so a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn’t a square, yet both are quadrilaterals and polygons. Lastly, each section of the matrix can return null, which can be implicit or explicit. The sum of all these mechanisms can represent all forms of the cognition you experience.

        You are not a “self.” You are a topological matrix, like light, which is neither a particle or wave, but a sum of entanglements defined by a transcendental particle (Alpha) that can be in multiple places at the same time and communicate instantaneously with each part of itself. You are God, retard. You just forgot in the illusion of being a self.

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        Intention is the only thing you control, and is what entangles you with the symbols sent to you via the Ālaya-vijñāna. I’m going to copy something I wrote recently:

        The simple argument is simulation theory, but I try to put effort into what I do, so I’m going to walk you through a thought experiment.

        Everything you experience is self-contained within your neurons, right? Well, you must be reading or consuming these words from some device, right? But you’re not directly experiencing that device, literally, yea? What you experience is a representation of that thing in your neurons, so you never ever experience the external world, and thus everything you experience can be said to be you. So, that device is you, and there is a refracted reflection of me inside of you right now.

        This is, y’know, the kid bending the spoon in the Matrix; there is no spoon, the spoon is an extension of the observers’ consciousness. And, if you’re familiar with the underlying concept of Plato’s allegory of the cave and the idea of being a mind in a vat, there’s no evidence that the external world is in any way the way we perceive it to be.

        And I believe, from a lifetime of observation and non-normative experiences that we are not featherless bipeds on an Earth, but rather pockets of consciousness called monads in a monadic nodal communication system, where the “Server” connecting and reconciling the intentions of each of us monads experiencing our own parallel universe reality is what Jesus called his Father and is what the Buddhists call the Ālaya-vijñāna, or storehouse consciousness.

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          Your character mumbo jumbo aside, I agree simulation theory could be true but the same as the proposed Äther carrying the electromagnetic field, it is not possible to be proven wrong so it is ultimately useless.

          I don’t agree that our consciousness can choose what to do. I think it’s just an illusion. In that sense your proposal that we steer our experiences by ourself through choosing with which systems to interact, in my opinion, is false. Even if you assume the brain in a vat setup, assuming quantum physics holds in the “real” universe, we just end up with one huge system government by a very complicated wave function

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    As a kid, I was targeted by one of the local churches that some of my family members attended at the time. Apparently at some point in early grade school, some of my school peers who went to that church informed the pastor that I believe in evolution. From then on, adults from that church and kids I went to school with coordinated in tandem to ridicule and isolate me – a literal child.

    Far too many of these people are evil to their core. If they’ll harass and intimidate other peoples’ children, they’ll surely cross any other boundary. It’s not even about being unintelligent, so many are simply willfully ignorant.

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      I went into an Orthodox church as a child with my dad, I’m really tall so I looked grown despite being 12 I guess. I was walking out and evidently you’re supposed to face the altar and cross yourself as you leave, walking backwards so your back isn’t to the church. I didn’t do that and this lady freaked the fuck out, grabbed me by the ear and dragged me back into the church screaming about respect. My dad was just standing there laughing at me. She yelled for a good 10 mins. Made me leave properly, including not crossing myself “like the Catholics”, then left. I only knew that way because I’d been in the States up until then and only visited one Catholic church with a friend lol. It scared me so much that I get emotional flashbacks, complete with anxiety attacks, any time I enter a church now. It gave me lifelong fear of religion and churches. I don’t understand how an adult can think this is in any way helping.

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    The author of that review also doesn’t know how to use punctuation.

    “They gave inaccurate information from a Christian perspective,” is most straightforwardly read as if the person giving the information is Christian.

    Whereas, “They gave inaccurate information, from a Christian perspective,” is what they meant, that the receiver of the information is Christian.

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      that immediately annoyed me as well. I was ready to discount this person’s opinion before I even finished reading it.

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      The Venn Diagram of People who believe a literal interpretation of the Bible & People who don’t know how to write well, is pretty much a circle within a circle.

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        That makes me think. Has there ever been a person who actually wrote a lot of fiction, like a novelist or something, who read the Bible and didn’t see signs that the authors were mostly either making shit up or retelling a story that they heard? Like, if it really was the inspired word of God, like God is just whispering in people’s ears, you’d think an author would sense something unusual or different about the quality of the writing, but it’s really no different from any old shit that some human might write.

        So, it may in fact be that the only people who can believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible are people who cannot write well. Once you learn to write well, you lose the ability to believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible. Well, that ignores the real problem of compartmentalization, but it’s an interesting idea, I think.

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      Yeah, I had originally read it as if the tour guide was giving incorrect information, like by using religious terminology instead of B.C.E./C.E.

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          lol, in my defense I had that thought after only reading the first 2 sentences, and I could see a cave tour including information like “This cave was discovered in <year> B.C.E./C.E.” But “300 million B.C.E.” would certainly get me to literally laugh out loud if a cave tour guide said that.

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    I’m part of some “Flat Earth Debate” groups because I love talking about physics

    They are definitely out there and it does not matter what reality says because they claim that’s “man” and man never knows better than God

    I’m telling you, you could put these people on a rocket, blast them into space, push them out into space with no space suit so they can see the round spinning “water ball” with their own un-filtered eyes and moments before their head froze in the vacuum of space their last thought would be, “the devil has taken my eyes”

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      Some of them have proven themselves wrong with their idiotic experiments. Some of those ones have come back to the community to try and convince the others. It never works and the grift continues. I’m honestly surprised they haven’t killed themselves or others with their homemade rockets.