• bluGill@fedia.io
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    9 days ago

    My Grandpa always had a “hello” mat because he would say hello to anyone, but not everybody was welcome.

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      9 days ago

      I used to have one that said “Hi, I’m Mat” because I found it hilarious.

      We throw a party for my kid’s birthday every year. My wife keeps taping signs to the front door for the party; they always say “come on in, the party’s in the back!” I keep telling her that someday a vampire is going to take advantage of that, but she seems unconcerned.

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    9 days ago

    A welcome door mat means the person is welcome to announce themselves by knocking or ringing a bell, it does not mean they are welcome to enter.

    If the mat said ‘Come on in’ then it would give anyone, including a vampire, permission to enter.

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    9 days ago

    Just to be safe, throw out the welcome mat, and replace it with a “Do you have a warrant?” mat.

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        9 days ago

        Depends how they can interact with local laws.

        It’s reasonable to conclude a temporary owner could invite someone in, just like a real one. If a warrant involved temporary possession, then the government that issued it would be able to invite someone in, and then if the vampire were charged with a search, that charge would be an invitation.

        Based on wording on example warrants in the US, however, they do not word it as a seizure of the building, even temporary. Makes sense, but at least a US-based vampire with a warrant would need to still be invited in.

    • potoooooooo 🥔@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      Even if she’d said yes, it wouldn’t have been permission. She was merely asserting that he was seemingly capable of the act, if nothing else.

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        9 days ago

        The homeowner’s assertion of vampire’s abilities gives an implicit permission. If the homeowner says yes he can, who would override that? Belief is a powerful thing

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          9 days ago

          In top of that, nobody defined where the vampire is capable of entering… or permitted to enter. Either way, the location wasn’t explicitly defined so who knows which place we’re talking about. Could I give the vampire the permission to enter your house? Would that still be valid? How does this even work?

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            If you have an entrance hall, and you say “you can get in the hall”, can the vampire go past the hall?

            And what if the house’s entrance is itself in a covered enclosed porch, where is the real “entrance”?

            Is the house defined solely by walls? Any kind of wall?

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      9 days ago

      This is/was “hotly debated”. IMO public schools are like any other public thing and accessible to vamps generally, and Angel was just being sassy when Jenny asked him how he got in.

      But along those lines, my initial response was “Depends on who’s writing” with the Angel/Jenny school scene in mind. “Enter all who seek knowledge” or whatever.

      Overall they were not very consistent when it came to the invitation thing.

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    9 days ago

    The trick is, it depends. All vampires are bound by obsessive compulsive behaviours, but the particular form that obsessive behaviour takes depends on a number of factors. The most prominent are age and culture of origin.

    More recently embraced American vampires tend to become absorbed in the minutiae of the contractual, legalistic formulation of things, so if they have an aversion to entering without permission, it is more based upon an obsession with the sanctity of individualized private property. This leads to the trait of rarely making a direct entry into a home for predatory purposes but rather a focus on convincing the victim it is in their best interest to give willingly their vital fluids and life force. Many victims of such vampires are not even aware of what they have lost.

    Older vampires from a more European context take a more hierarchical approach to property. If your home is in their territory, you are their subject and, as such, no permission is needed to enter what is effectively their house.

    Other contexts, such as that of the Middle East of antiquity, produce vampires who hold sacred the unwritten yet iron clad laws of hospitality. They would never dream of entering unannounced, or taking more than a token sip from one who invites them willingly into their home, but equally would feel no compunction over slaughtering one who turned them away. To these, a welcome mat is an amusement, not an invitation, and only the most desperate leach would stoop to taking a whimsical decoration as written law.

    But then again, vampires are an imaginary metaphorical construct for describing the greedy people of a society, so really the answer is no.

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      9 days ago

      So a neck tattoo that says, “My body is a temple. Vampires not welcome in the sanctity of this temple” would do the trick?

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    9 days ago

    If you get one that says “Quarantine Zone” you can be assured vampires & humans will go away.

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    9 days ago

    Wasn’t there a serial killer that said an unlocked door meant he was invited to go inside? That’s why I’ve never used a doormat that has “Welcome” on it. Hopefully that applies to vampires too.

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      9 days ago

      Depending on the jurisdiction, soliciting often requires a permit and conditions of the permit include obeying no soliciting signs. Failure to obey typically means the permit can be revoked, or it could be a criminal offense. Could be worth looking into that for your area.

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        The apartment complex where I live is posted no soliciting. Management heavily encourages people to call the police if solicitors ignore the sign. Even more shocking, the police will actually come and throw solicitors off the property if they’re contacted. (This is also the same police department that tracked down and got an arrest warrant for the random stranger who broke into my car the day after it happened)

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        is it a specific local code violation or a state thing? because it can’t possibly be a federal violation, i am certain it ain’t a federal permit.

        when i search for [my town] + [solicitation] i get a bunch of pages on how to make a bid on projects with the town. but i have the high.