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Fuck the DEA and the FDA and any assholes trying to ban kratom (and honestly most drugs for the matter. My body, my choice). I have been successfully using it for pain and anxiety relief for years without any issues, but because of stupid fear mongering and idiots selling it at every gas station, many people’s lives will be ruined if people turn to hard drugs that will actually get you killed if it’s ever banned. I’ll be out of work and never get back on my feet if they ban it… I hate american healthcare so fucking much.
Sorry if this was a little off-topic I just needed to vent a bit. It just pisses me off and has made me hate the war on drugs even more. It’s all about money and controlling our bodies. If the US government were looking out for your best health interests, they would have made basic fucking healthcare free for their citizens.
America: big on winning wars.
…Lost the war on terror to terror.
…Lost the war on drugs to drugs.
Abstract concepts dont tend to have the capacity for surrender, after all.
Losing the war in Iran.
Because their leaders are idiots who think attacking the symptom will eliminate the cause.
And Vietnam. And Iraq. And Afghanistan. And koreas. The US is just terrible at war tbh.
To be fair, America initially lost the war on terror, then switched sides, so they’re technically winning.
We were doing terrorism long before 9/11
True.
Are we the baddies?!
We basically have been since the puritans landed on Plymouth Rock.
I was going to write something sarcastic about transatlantic relations, but honestly we deserve some blame for the Puritans. The English Reformation and its consequences were fairly severe.
We’ve had a sign posted at work saying “We are proud to be a drug-free workplace. All new and current employees are subject to drug testing at any time.”
Not. Once. Not even when Jimmy came in to work each evening with the smell of weed wafting off of him. I could probably lay rails on my work table right in front of the security camera and hit one each hour and nothing would happen.
Sure, but that’s not what the policies are for. If/when someone gets injured on the job the policy is standardly they require you to take a drug test then. If you fail you were breaking policy and the injury is deemed your fault, thus taking all responsibility of paying you workers comp off the table. Happens every day across the U.S.
For weed, get a medical card, if you can afford it. Usually even in recreational states you can get one and then they can’t fire ypu for it.
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Citation? I’m confused, for what? Clearly I’m missing something because 24 people agree with you lol
Can you provide any citation that a company can’t fire you if you have a medical card? AFAIK that’s not true. As I understand it, It’s still illegal under federal law, and there is no concept of marijuana as medicine in federal law.
You can have a prescription for opiates too.
Doesn’t make it OK to be high at a job where that impairment puts you and others in danger.
That being said, there’s no test for THC that has a narrow enough time window to tell if someone is currently intoxicated. Blood tests are the closest at 6h, but blood levels aren’t correlated with intoxication.
I live in a state with recreational marijuana, but my current employer’s policies specifically prohibit even medical marijuana, and I had to do a pre-employment drug test. Looking for a better job, but I’ve exhausted unemployment and all my savings, so it pays the bills for now.
Is that not protected under anti-disability discrimination legislation in the US?
I’m on medical cannabis in the UK, while our system is not set up for it at all if an employer took umbrage with it for a non-operational reason (such as operating heavy machinery vs being on it at all) that’d be a fairly open and shut disability discrimination case. Same as if you fired an employee for being on tramadol or similar.
Weed is only legalized by states here, it’s still federally illegal
Yeah, federally it’s classified as “no medicinal benefits with high potential for abuse”, aka schedule 1. This is why I can sue (or even get the government to sue on my behalf) an employer for firing me when my prescribed amphetamines trip a drug test, but the government can mandate employers that work with it to fire anyone who fails a cannabis test regardless of prescription status.
Biden was in the process of rescheduling cannabis, and honestly I’ve got issues with the whole scheduling system considering that it says cannabis and acid are worse than heroin and forces opiates and adhd meds into the same regulatory box despite abuse of them looking more like proper use of the other.
Absolutely not protected in the US. They can and will fire you.
Christ, how does that work with your doctors being way more keen to prescribe narcotics than ours then? Is it literally a case of follow your doctor’s orders or your boss’s? That’s fucked up.
Prescribed narcotics would be OK as long as related doctor or company restrictions on operating heavy equipment or such were complied with. But in the US marijuana is still federally illegal. The feds usually don’t seek out prosecutions where states have legalized at the state level, but banks won’t accept business accounts if marijuana is sold because of the federal illegality, and businesses involving heavy machinery generally also still feel the legal risk of explicitly allowing marijuana use is too high.
Side note update for you, thanks to the Sacklers and the hell on earth they visited on us via profiteering lying about the opiates they invented, now there’s actually a gigantic back swing and it’s WAY more difficult to be prescribed strong pain relief, even when badly needed. Count on us to always come up with the worst possible response to a problem, I guess.
“Drug-free workplace” policy language is also a requirement for a lot of government contracts in the US
I worked at a factory in the rural south the year (2022) they quietly did away with marijuana testing, even for spot violations. Turns out the standard reasoning, “the insurance company says,” doesn’t really matter… they didn’t care and allowed a 9-panel to be used in all testing matters.
The unofficial reason I heard is, they go through the same workers on rotation, the good employees get hired back and forth. Drunks are chaotic, tweakers introduce drugs and are chaotic. Stoners are quiet and show up on time, and cause 0% of the fights, and tend to come with less of a rap sheet for terroristic threats and domestics.
They almost tripped over themselves to look the other way on my stonership…
Yeah I remember when my factory hired a young woman to head HR shortly after weed was legalized where I lived and she immediately got to ensuring we wouldn’t be punished for smoking. The stoners are rarely a problem, and you really don’t want to lose a bunch of people just because their mild drug of choice is fat soluble instead of water soluble
It does amuse me how I’ve had doctors and employers drug test me which only pushed me from weed to acid
Meanwhile I worked at one company in Colorado that didn’t test for marijuana at all when I got hired, I specifically asked. Then 6 months later hired some lady from Utah and they started testing all new employees for marijuana and threatening drug tests whenever something happened. Marijuana having been legal in the state for like 15 years at that point.
they replaced it with AI/ATS screening, so no its not any better.
Thank white conservatives. No, really. It was maybe twenty years ago we were first hearing about this because so many young white men in conservative areas were doing opioids that the local employers had to give up. Once enough conservative weed smokers were voting, that started to legalize and be commonly used. Drivers for the conservative drug turn includes the war on terror and the failures of the VA, and the war on affordable healthcare and social services. Before that, the war on drugs was on the record as being aimed at Mexicans, blacks, and liberals. Also teenagers, but I don’t recall any federal government politicians saying that one out loud.
Yeah this is a good thing. I wish drugs were decriminalized and treated as a health epidemic.
It’ll never happen as long as Republicans are running the show.
Or neoliberal democrats.
How is it possible that ‘companies can’t find enough workers’ but it takes more applications than ever to find a job? Something doesn’t fucking add up
Well there actually isn’t anyone looking at the applications! That would cost someone $20 a hour!
They can’t find enought workers that will accept shit pay and 0 benefits, but they don’t like saying that.
For us it’s an issue with marketing the position in a manner thay doesn’t result in 5,000 automated applications from an Indian headhunter firm that blindly clicks everything.
I’ve had a job opening at my city for weeks that pays higher than any other city in the state does for the same position, and we’ve had a grand total of one applicant who wasn’t qualified.
What is the job description?
The pay is what doesn’t add up
AI sucks at screening. But everyone is doing it.
Where I live, they already had frozen hirings.
My company is hiring and I don’t think we drug test at all. If anybody in Los Angeles wants to make sheet metal, PM me.
Dam you’re cool, real equitable help. GL in life and I hope you win.
You know whats funny? When I worked in education, no one cared. I would start my day with some pot after a night of heavy drinking. I bet I smelled like a bottle of vodka. Well I know I did, one day I had to go home cause I was so hung over and no one batted an eye. It didn’t help that the easiest conversation starter in the teachers lounge was what will you be drinking tonight. So yeah most jobs don’t really care.
I am 47, and I have never not once been tested for drugs for work.
For most of my jobs, I’m relatively certain that drugs were in fact required.
If anyone tried to test me for drugs, I would tell them to go fuck themselves, and I’d happily walk away from the interview.
Yeah, most restaurants dont test for drugs for a reason.
Anytime I have worked for fintech I’ve been tested and fully background checked every time, pretty annoying but the trade off is the pay I suppose
“No coke in this guy’s system, rejected.”
Damn that made me laugh,if only that was the case I’m sure the coffee budgets at work would be cocaine budgets instead lol
I work with a vulnerable population. In addition to every job doing piss testing my fingerprints and DNA get recorded and checked against unsolved assaults / murders. Nothing ever comes up but I always worry I’m gonna be like the last person that touched a vase before the dude that bashed somebody’s head in with it and the dude who did it isn’t in any databases and I’m gonna have to answer a bunch of intrusive questions.
If I wanna buy blow in whatever city I’m visiting, I always ask a bartender or a waiter for a hook up.
It’s a rule I refer to as “industry standard”
I have told prosprective employers to fuck off over:
take a drug test
Take a psych test
Unlock my credit for credit checks
Take a full face scan
Register with id.me for the application process
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How does that Nazi dick taste?
Nobody fucking tells me when I can piss. I and the sole authority over my own bodily functions.
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Wow. How pathetic.
Marching into the gas chambers, while still defending the Nazis.
I guess some people will never learn…
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I never even heard of “anarchist Nexus”, whatever that is
But go on and keep defending Nazis and how they stole your body autonomy, like a wife who defends the husband that beats her…
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What “evidence”?
You’re petty deflections are nothing but that
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Oh fucking look, the idiot/bot that replied within seconds has nothing to say all of a sudden trying to mark an anarchist as a Nazi.
Funny how you called yourself out for being an idiot/bot
😂
It seems that your AI chat buddy doesn’t understand the concept of comment hierarchies… Lol
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what?
Was that too complicated for your grok prompt?
Lol
I’m 36 and have been drugs tested once. They reckoned they’d seen me drop a gram of coke on camera so I got 6 weeks paid holiday.
Obviously, because nobody oopsie-daisies a gram of coke without going back to grab it, lol.
😂 I don’t live in the best area and my dog is an early morning boy, I’ve found 3 grams this month. Kinda feel sorry for whoever lost it but I’m also no longer a fan so hopefully that might help someone
So… Where do you live? Please drop a pin on a map and reply only in a DM.
I’ll drop by and bring snacks!
Not sure how to drop a pin but I’ve just dm’d you my what3words. What snacks are you bringing?
I have been drug tested several times, and I am in fact “on drugs”. So, I get a call within a couple of days of getting tested to provide them with access to my pharmacy records to prove they are legally prescribed.
So, wtf were they doing that you got 6 weeks?Same, and once I even got into a position where I was told I was free to sue a potential employer because they dismissed me without giving an opportunity to present proof of prescription
Apparently it fell out of my pocket on a Monday morning (doubtful but I did head home for the weekend and blacked out a bit so possible…but I would have done the coke if that was the case 😂) got dragged into a meeting on Wednesday, pissed clean and just got told to go home until I heard otherwise.
Im 46, and I’ve only had one job that didnt do a pre-employment drug test. But most of my jobs have involved machines that can hurt people if not handled right.
Construction and health care. All required prescreening drug tests, and all my jobs in healthcare had us subject to randoms.
In my case it was fabrication shops and machine shops. But exactly like you say.
I’m 46 and my line of work is one of the more dangerous jobs involving heavy equipment. There is always a drug test as a pre employment screening, but that’s basically it. Nobody checks again because they’d have to fire half the workforce.
There are some jobs for which I can understand when it would be very important to ensure the operators of heavy equipment absolutely must be guaranteed to be sober at all times.
Beyond heavy machine operators, this also includes livery drivers, airline pilots, etc.
But those are specialty jobs for which my previous comments are excluded.
Thank you for doing your job well, and soberly
Don’t forget Healthcare and insurance. I only know insurance because I have an uncle that has said he’d start micro dosing just to help him sleep but that could result in loss of his license
I’m skeptical that’s what we’re actually testing for, though. Employment drug tests are just to see if they’ll stop doing drugs for a month. We don’t expect heavy machine operators to do a field sobriety test at the start of their shift.
A lot of those jobs are subject to random screenings
I used to run lasers capable of cutting 19mm steel plate. Have to be sober for that!
The only jobs I didn’t get a piss test were all retail/food service. Every professional job I’ve had (tech) has made me drop a UA. I may have had to study to pass the pre-employment test, but thankfully no place I’ve been does randoms.
As my former manager put it, boss man isn’t going to make us drop a UA cuz he knows he’s lose his whole IT department.
Ok, storytime!
I worked in a little fabrication shop back in 2013 or so. The general manager got a hair up his ass and decided he was going to drug test everyone.
We lost everyone on all three shifts except for me, and my supervisor. My supervisor had been picked up a month prior for possession, and was getting regular drug tests from someone else. Im just boring.
The shop closed down a few months later. They couldn’t get anyone to work there, because people who do that kind of work talk to each other.
You’re telling me the general manager couldn’t pick up that slack? Sounds like he needs to have a word with himself
Ah, middle manglement problems, gotta
lovetolerate that shit…
a handful of my jobs they knew i was heavily medicated and were offering me more drugs (part time office work in between surgeries)
I live in Germany, and over here unless your employer can present a damn good safety critical reason for why you must be sober at work (e.g. operating heavy machinery) it’s not even legal to randomly drug test employees.
For your standard office job, or McDonalds cashier, or even high level office positions it would all be illegal for the employer to (randomly) drug test you.
As long as you’re not operating dangerous machinery, it’s none of your employers business what you do off the clock at home, even if that’s consuming illegal drugs. They can (obviously) ban you from being high at work, but they would reasonable suspicion to accuse of you violating that, and potentially trigger a test (which means effectively the thing that is banned is for your performance at work to be impaired by drugs. If you work equally well high as sober, and don’t reek of weed when you walk in, you can pretty much just work high without risk of much consequences)
All I know about Germany is that, aside from producing the world‘s most AWESOME gay porn, and having some extremely bizarre trash disposal laws, it is an confoundingly boring country.
But it’s nice to know that, aside from the outrageously restrictive drug laws, they don’t do on the job drug testing.
Those stupid tests only catch people for smoking weed on their own time.
Yeah mine is not you can be (and are) randomly pinged at any time to go pee in a cup and blow in a tube because they would really really rather that people not be zonked out on the job and make some horrific decision that could impact safety. Sometimes people fail the random tests and get canned but it’s more common for people coming in to test hot and never get started. Good paying jobs but I guess people figure drugs and/or not having to hold back from alcohol on your duty week are better
They still do it in healthcare. I can’t imagine the absolute fiasco that would happen if a doc does a knee replacement on the left knee when they were supposed to do it on the right and turns out he pops positive.
I also worked in construction for a short time and had a machine operator damage an existing building. He went straight to be tested and I don’t even remember if I saw him onsite again
Yeah if there was a major screw-up fitness for duty was one of the first things they did along with taking statements of people who were there
Yea safety, but what the fuck does the things I do in my free time have to do with work? Are the bosses also testing for alcohol and drugs? How do we know they aren’t doing drugs that metabolize faster than can be tested? You want me to not do drugs pay me on my off time as well if not get bent and I won’t work there
Power plant can hypothetically shut down for a problem any given moment and need people called in in the dark of night to get it back up ASAP so in this case they were explicitly clear that you do get dragged in at off hours and had better not be imbibing anything that would impair you during your duty week since that’s factored into the job.
I don’t even bother studying for drug tests anymore. If they care about weed and mushrooms then I’ll work elsewhere.
Welp I guess this is one thing where ai can’t replace , living test subject, yikes.
I’m a medical provider at a university hospital. They have a drug testing policy, but they have only ever utilized it for staff, not faculty members. I’ve worked in my clinic for more than ten years and have never been drug tested.
Pretty sure the hospital administrators really don’t want to know if any of their physicians have any bad habits. It’s kinda a lose lose situation for the hospital, and it’s pretty well known that our field has substance abuse issues.
Health care should be one of the top 3 places to test. But having worked in healthcare for 20+ years a doctor could come in for the drug test, do a rail in front of the tester, make the hold the cup while they piss all over the place and walk out smiling, and admin would think nothing less of it
Yeah… Unfortunately, as long as you still have the ability to bill Medicare under your NPI you really have to work to get dismissed from a hospital.
The head of my department is currently being sued by the advertising and media department for making his own commercial. The advertising department made a commercial that didn’t feature him as much as he thought it should so he just made and aired his own commercial featuring official branding of the university and hospital.
He had to take down the commercial, but he continues to print off shirts for everyone in our department about the commercial. The administration’s stance on the whole thing was just to let the two departments work it out.
The fucking ego of that guy
