That’s the plan. It’s about control.
I’m glad someone else sees it. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills every day lately. People don’t give a single shit, will minimize the danger and do anything they can to give up their rights, time and time again.
A few of us see it, sadly too few to matter.
Whats wrong with you?! Why aren’t you thinking of the children??!
already been accused/harassed on here of being pro-pedo for not being pro age-verification.
it’s always the yahoo idiot opinions that gain political traction, and rarely the common sense ones.
already been accused/harassed on here of being pro-pedo for not being pro age-verification.
it sounds like you should switch instances to one where this opinion (fact) is shared by most.
that’s not how it works. most of my harassment comes from .ml and far left instances. .ml users are especially aggressive and ignorant and eager to call you names. basically pro-authoritarian leftists.
i’m on .world. it’s the most moderate instance in my experience. db0 and blahj are also instances from which i get a lot of harassment.
sadly lemmy doesn’t let you block instances, only users or communities. so my user block list is like 500+ now.
why lie about a group that is strongly anti-age-verification attacking you for being anti-age-verification and off endorsements from another group that is strongly pro-age-verification supporting you for your anti-age-verification opinions?
lemmy.ml isn’t a unified group. it’s individual people who think all sorts of crazy shit, that is often downright contradictory.
the only stance your instance takes is being pro marixist leninist. that has nothing to do with age-verification. if anything it’s pro-authoritarian bent would most likely have it align with mechanisms mass state control of individuals .
Are you kidding? Instance blocking is almost necessary for surviving on Lemmy. Use a different client. Jesus bro, ya gotta block.
lemmy is a client. piefed is the only one i know that lets you block all users from an instance.
People in the privacy communities have known this for a while.
But because it’s slightly technical at minimum, and nuanced, and about something not immediately tied directly to people’s financial interest, the average person will never ever know, understand, or care about this.
The age verification is really just an alternate means for these companies to try to find out which of us are real people or not with the intent to scrape AI training materials more “cleanly”. But it’s all moot in the long run, as it turns out that it will be easy for anyone who wants to break the law to pretend to be someone they aren’t.
In a world where identity theft is more rampant than ever, you’d have to be some kind of numbskull to think that this will be effective at doing any of the intended affects. It’s literally a complete waste of time & money.
I mean I’m absolutely going to be feeding it as much dogshit as possible, personally.
Yeah but that’s like my default interaction with the internet in the first place pre llm.
Unfortunately it seems like 90% of the population has to learn lessons by experience, constantly and repeatedly, rather than listen to the other 10%
The lost art of learning from other people’s mistakes (and/or history). Sigh.
if they want to censor and monitor the internet, its time to start building on a new one that’s private and encrypted by default: https://reticulum.network/
I didn’t read the whole doc. How would this prevent kill switch network if the government can just tell internet service providers to shutdown the network?
Well in theory it can communicate over other networks. Like radio
Because reticulum don’t use providers internet you nice it is used well enough
Can you rephrase that? I’m not sure what “you nice it is used well enough” is supposed to mean.
My bad, auto completion and not rereading me did that.
Reticulum is a backbone mesh. It speaks on all communication interfaces. Bluetooth, Wifi, LoRa, Serial.
Conceptually, if you can see your neighbors wifi, you could mesh. Suburbs could be pretty well connected. I doubt it’ll scale past a small suburb, though. If someone has a high tower, you could LoRa line of sight to anywhere. The upside is, if you have a faster connection that LoRa, it can use it. If you just have LoRa, you can chat or maybe send small images or low quality voice chat.
This is interesting, I think people should be aware of and check out i2p as well. I actually don’t use it (because there’s not that much of a community yet 😭) but I run a i2p router to support the network, that bitch does ~15TB a month in bandwidth. I think the main use of the network is torrenting currently.
But with governments and tech companies getting so oppressive hopefully i2p and other similar systems can flourish into the new free net.
Same, but with Yggdrasil. We need to keep these encrypted layer networks going and spread them through the fediverse to gain popularity. 1000% SCREW Better OR Worse. Mirror your site to all of them!
You can run XMPP on yggdrasil and i2p, torrents, host all manner of things, it’s quite impressive.
Either that or don’t play by their rules. If I refuse this patch and I can’t connect to a website because of this check, I’ll will just treat that wesite like any other broken website and move on to another one
I agree with the notion, but I’m mildly concerned with the fragmentation of solutions. We already have I2P, Yggdrasil Network, Gemini Network, the cjdns ecosystem, just to name a few. You can just run nodes on all of them at once, but that restricts accessibility to those who have the raw compute (and bandwidth) necessary, which isn’t exactly conducive to what I’d consider a truly “open” internet, especially in the third world.
I think fragmentation is great. Shows there’s varied interest in the space and allows them to evolve. Let the best one stand the test of time!
A quick overview of the difference in the tech stacks:
Network Can run without IP? Can run without ISP? Primary Physical Medium Reticulum Yes (Identity-based) Yes Radio (LoRa/HF), Serial, Wi-Fi Mesh, Ethernet Yggdrasil No (Uses crypto IP) Yes Wi-Fi Mesh, Ethernet cjdns No (Uses crypto IP) Yes Wi-Fi Mesh, Ethernet I2P No (Overlay) Mostly No Existing Internet (TCP/UDP) Gemini No (Application) No Existing Internet (TCP)
I LOVE reticulum, the idea anyway. I2P is a great idea too. I run an I2P node just to contribute.
I started up reticulum on my Linux box, added sideband to my Android, setup an rnode. it was marginal. Text chat worked 90% of the time, I got a single image to come through, then never again. Something about it was either broken, or something I was doing was incompatible, but there weren’t enough logs for me to figure it out.
I’m down with the while second internet over encryption, but none of them are straight forward enough I could get anyone outside of my extreme tech circle to consider it.
There is no longer any right to privacy. This is just the latest step.
We should not platform idiots just because they state the obvious, when they promote bullshit out of the other side of their mouth.
https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/
I found some other articles that didn’t ask for my email.
That’s unfortunate. I was actually about to get Protonvpn next month. I did a quick search on Nordvpn and I can’t find anything about supporting or praising Republicans.
I looked into the features and specs of a lot of VPNs and it came down to those two. I was going to use Proton so I could set up my own mail and other accounts. Guess I’m using Nord
Sorry, it didn’t do that to me. Maybe my plugins. I went to look it up on archive.org and they ALL did it to me, lol.
It seems like you’ve completely lost the capability for any type of nuance.
I also lost the remaining value on my 2-year Proton subscription when I stopped using their services.
Glad to finally see the tide turning here. The ability of the Lemmyverse to ignore the deep seated asshole within Yen and praise Proton has always bothered me. He’s not as bad as scumbags like Tim Apple and Zuckerberg but when things are shiny on the outside but rotten at their core, it’s best to avoid.
Are you okay?
No shit. Proton is a garbage company though, not to be trusted. But thanks for the assist.
Why?
That’s why they’re fuckin doing it.
Never forget who is behind this https://youtu.be/Yd7j_u-wPoM
Israelis lobbying agitating for the end of American first amendment rights, what a shocker.
We need to find that guy and… have a little chat with him.There’s a bit of American history involving incredibly affordable concrete footwear that seems relevant here.
I hate short replies that don’t add much (so added more than agreed!) but I’ve always enjoyed being anonymous in forums, I’m quite a shy person.
Never was a jerk intentionally or anything just said my bit. But everyone possibly knowing who I was I’d probably say nothing ever. Fuck it I was private before I can be private later. But I’m old and recall before Internet when I had no (or little) interaction.
Like we all haven’t seen data breeches over the years…oh it’s the government that holds the master authentication? Fuck that shit is all. Nothing, from a person who does programming these days, like that is remotely better.
Some countries may be better but we’re all democratic right? Takes a single election till shit stops working as a safeguard, then new ones in make a different law. The whole system was not built for current tech.
I am old enough to remember when the internet was run by hobbyists and enthusiasts, companies were happy to pay “to be online” it wasn’t riddled with ads and profits wasn’t the default reason to create content.
Thems were heady days
You’re kidding yourself if you think companies being online was ever about anything other than potential profit. At first it was just a way to reach a wider pool of customers. Like the yellow pages before. Then, once every company had an online presence, they started looking for new ways to monetize the connectivity.
Their statement is compatible with a profit incentive. Companies were happy to pay to be online because it was good marketing.
It’s just pining for the time before they figured out how to target marketing and sell data
i guess a broken clock can be right. lol
This is an easy fix. We just make our own internet. With the usual, blackjack and hookers.
But does it have blackjack and hookers?
For once Yen and I see eye to eye.
given it’s just because it will hurt his business, but i’m still happy for some W
This way, identity theft can be catastrophic, more so than it already is
something something broken clock and proton. lol
What is being pushed for implementation is better described as identity verification, not age verification.
I would have little issue with a solution that purely gated services on age in a secure and privacy respecting manner. This OS level garbage is not that, its creating an oligarchy run identity gate to control access to personal computing.
OS-level is the only privacy respecting way (except maybe browser-level). The alternative is some cloud service who’s code you can’t audit.
Thank you. Now I just wish somebody at the government level would understand this and the implications of what this entails. Like maybe mention that all their weird online fetishes could be tracked back to them. It’s like this one company doing the “verification “ would be rolling in kompromat.
it’s all by design. they don’t want the general public to put it together that these are identify tracking surveillance system, just a carefree age verification to keep kids away from the baddies 🙄
It’s never about the kids
Exactly. We need to adopt something like a post quantum secure, independently audited version of the EU age checking app. Way better than OS level crap.
Agreed. The model is a good start, the security of it’s implementation woefully inadequate… And I agree this MUST use post quantum cryptography.
Dox-gating (yes I just made that up lol) operating systems will result in people not updating security patches.
I like that word. I may use it later.
I’ll stop interacting online outside of a professional context. So this obviously sucks from an online perspective. It’s will dampen online organization. But hopefully it increases community level interactions IRL. It’ll probably be good for day-to-day mental health.
